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CrazyPhuD 03-08-2014 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 10473421)
In a weird way you almost hope this can be explained by an act of ill will.

To think that the safest type of airplane in the world, flown by an airline with a very safe flying record, flown by a captain with 3+ decades of experience and assisted by a co-pilot who was just profiled on a CNN International inside the cockpit series THREE DAYS ago can simply drop out of the sky during the safest part of the flight (cruising altitude) in perfect weather conditions is somewhat unnerving.

Honestly I'd bet the answer is going to be really simple, straightforward and something we've seen before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Trent_800

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On 17 January 2008, a British Airways Boeing 777-236ER, operating as flight number BA038 from Beijing to London, crash-landed at Heathrow after both Trent 800 engines lost power during the aircraft's final approach. The subsequent investigation found that the cause was ice released from the fuel system which accumulated on the fuel-oil heat exchanger leading to a restriction of fuel flow to the engines. Rolls-Royce has developed a modification to prevent the problem recurring
I'd easily bet it's the same problem that's been popping up in those engines in recent years(the engines have had a number of similar incidents where the fuel flow got blocked) and they never got around to fixing it.

Sure-Oz 03-08-2014 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD (Post 10473511)
Honestly I'd bet the answer is going to be really simple, straightforward and something we've seen before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Trent_800



I'd easily bet it's the same problem that's been popping up in those engines in recent years(the engines have had a number of similar incidents where the fuel flow got blocked) and they never got around to fixing it.

If that is the case, they better ****ing take a 2nd look. I hope they find this aircraft soon

HonestChieffan 03-08-2014 12:24 PM

Oil slicks been spotted apparently They won't ever figure this one out

Dayze 03-08-2014 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 10473025)
Surely, you're not serious.

Jim never throws up at home......

Dayze 03-08-2014 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10473085)
Me Chinese, me play joke, me blow up three generations of your family, me... ahhh **** it... hate away bitches.

LMAO

mikeyis4dcats. 03-08-2014 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD (Post 10473511)
Honestly I'd bet the answer is going to be really simple, straightforward and something we've seen before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Trent_800



I'd easily bet it's the same problem that's been popping up in those engines in recent years(the engines have had a number of similar incidents where the fuel flow got blocked) and they never got around to fixing it.

no way that that is the cause under these circumstances.

Dylan 03-08-2014 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan (Post 10473715)
Oil slicks been spotted apparently They won't ever figure this one out

The provocative question is why China issued visas to passengers with stolen passports.

chiefsfan987 03-08-2014 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 10473421)
In a weird way you almost hope this can be explained by an act of ill will.

To think that the safest type of airplane in the world, flown by an airline with a very safe flying record, flown by a captain with 3+ decades of experience and assisted by a co-pilot who was just profiled on a CNN International inside the cockpit series THREE DAYS ago can simply drop out of the sky during the safest part of the flight (cruising altitude) in perfect weather conditions is somewhat unnerving.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNVzj2PiekI

HonestChieffan 03-08-2014 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 10473965)
The provocative question is why China issued visas to passengers with stolen passports.


If they knew they were stolen. Not a outfit involved in this that deserves an ounce of trust.

GloryDayz 03-08-2014 02:44 PM

I think this guy did it.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MktFkE1DNN...0/godzilla.jpg

sedated 03-08-2014 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10472749)
It's 2014 it's where you get the news first.

Those 3 minutes can be really life-changing, especially from sources like @andysassparade

Jimmya 03-08-2014 03:36 PM

Rip

HonestChieffan 03-08-2014 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 10474038)


Isn't that how KCNative sees himself?

GloryDayz 03-08-2014 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan (Post 10474292)
Isn't that how KCNative sees himself?

I don't think any man thinks his thighs are that fat, but every woman does, so I'm not thinking so.

GloryDayz 03-08-2014 05:31 PM

Perhaps it was global warming and assault rifles???

If it was a Cisco aircraft, I'm sure it would be being blamed on solar flairs...

J Diddy 03-08-2014 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 10474340)
Perhaps it was global warming and assault rifles???

If it was a Cisco aircraft, I'm sure it would be being blamed on solar flairs...

If it was a Crisco aircraft it would be blamed on grease fires.

GloryDayz 03-08-2014 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick Bull (Post 10474424)
If it was a Crisco aircraft it would be blamed on grease fires.

Some days I wonder if there's a difference between Cisco and Crisco!

HonestChieffan 03-09-2014 09:56 AM

A missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner may have turned back from its scheduled route before vanishing from radar screens, military officers said on Sunday, deepening the mystery surrounding the fate of the plane and the 239 people aboard.

More than 36 hours after the last contact with Flight MH370, officials said they were widening the search to cover vast swathes of sea around Malaysia and off Vietnam, and were investigating at least two passengers who may have been using false identity documents.

Despite dozens of military and civilians vessels and aircraft criss-crossing waters to the east and west of Malaysia, no wreckage has been found, although oil slicks have been reported in the sea south of Vietnam.

“What we have done is actually look into the recording on the radar that we have and we realized there is a possibility the aircraft did make a turnback,” Rodzali Daud, the Royal Malaysian Air Force chief, told reporters at a news conference.

There were no reports of bad weather and no sign of why the Boeing 777-200ER disappeared about an hour after it took off from Kuala Lumpur bound for Beijing early on Saturday.

European officials said it appeared two people on board were using stolen passports and Malaysian Transport Minister Hishamuddin Hussein said authorities were also checking the identities of two other passengers.

Chiefshrink 03-09-2014 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan (Post 10474292)
Isn't that how KCNative sees himself?

Absolutely but he doesn't have Robert Newhouse thighs like Godzilla :p

NCarlsCorner2 03-09-2014 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10472926)
I guess some tracking blog said that the plane made a sharp turn and descended a couple of hundred meters before disappearing. I'm not sure how to read that. Did the plane disintegrate? How does it disappear if it's still at altitude?

Maybe it's the Kuala Lumpur Triangle.

HonestChieffan 03-09-2014 10:52 AM

Found this....sounds pretty intelligent


One of the questions I’ve been asked repeatedly since word emerged that a Malaysian Airlines Boeing BA -0.25% 777 had disappeared, is how can a modern airliner flying at 35,000 feet suddenly lose all contact? First, there needs to be an understanding of the type of contact that an airliner in flight typically has. Airline crews communicate with air traffic control both by verbal instructions over radios and through automatic transmissions from various aircraft systems, such as a transponder which relays information about the flight (e.g. altitude) to ground radar stations. The transponder information is then displayed on an air traffic controller’s screen as an alpha-numeric readout.

Crews also have the ability to communicate with their airline through discrete radio channels. There is usually at least one other back up communication system that allows communication between the ground stations and the flight crew. Other aircraft systems commonly used by many airlines also communicate with commercial services that monitor other parts of the aircraft, such as engines, and report that data back to the airline. This data is then used to monitor and improve aircraft system performance.

For all communication to suddenly cease without a distress signal usually indicates a catastrophic failure of the aircraft , not allowing time for the crew to communicate either by radio or through the aircraft transponder. Modern airliners have multiple radios for voice communication and the transponder can be used to send signals that indicate different problems with the aircraft (for example a discrete code for hijacking). A complete electrical failure is extremely unlikely because of redundancies in the system, especially the ram air turbine which uses the power of the wind generated by the aircraft’s motion in flight to generate electricity which would power critical navigation and communication systems, as well as flight controls. But even if the aircraft had a complete electrical failure, the aircraft could have continued to fly. If the aircraft was out of radar range when a failure occurred – but able to fly – it would eventually fly to an area with radar coverage and be picked up by air traffic control radar.

It is too early to speculate on what could have caused a catastrophic failure to the aircraft, if that is in fact what occurred.

chefsos 03-09-2014 12:18 PM

The two stolen passports were an "aha" moment for me (as in: it's the terrorists!), but I've since read that at present there are reportedly 39 MILLION stolen passports worldwide. There are probably a few on every flight, every day.

WTF

Eleazar 03-09-2014 03:18 PM

Vietnam Searchers Report Spotting Plane Debris
Officials Say They Found Piece of Door, Airplane Tail

http://online.wsj.com/news/article_e...MDAwODEwNDgyWj

Rain Man 03-09-2014 07:24 PM

Per honestchief's post, my bet is on a catastrophic breakup that occurred with no warning. The next question would be whether it was an accident or deliberate.

HonestChieffan 03-09-2014 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10475879)
Per honestchief's post, my bet is on a catastrophic breakup that occurred with no warning. The next question would be whether it was an accident or deliberate.


Now they say there were 4 people with invalid Passports onboard.

Dante84 03-09-2014 07:35 PM

So, why don't black boxes send plane details via cloud (lulz), in real time, so that way they dont have to chase down the mother****ers?

I don't understand it at all. A centralized hub should be able to have ALL details of the plane's computer systems.

Rain Man 03-09-2014 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan (Post 10475884)
Now they say there were 4 people with invalid Passports onboard.

That is a concern, but I wonder if it's much different than average. I don't know how easy it is to get passports if you're Chinese. You would hope that a gate person would wonder if a Chinese person has an Italian name. But hey, we live in an international world.

Rain Man 03-09-2014 07:43 PM

I have been traveling all day and haven't kept up with the news. Have any terrorist organizations claimed credit for a bombing? perhaps the Uyghurs are quiet, but it seems like anybody else would have stepped up. it makes me wonder if it was some sort of natural accident.

HonestChieffan 03-09-2014 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10475911)
I have been traveling all day and haven't kept up with the news. Have any terrorist organizations claimed credit for a bombing? perhaps the Uyghurs are quiet, but it seems like anybody else would have stepped up. it makes me wonder if it was some sort of natural accident.

Cosmo said Bush or Palin did it in cahoots with Mitt. Other than that what I see is they are still looking for the pieces and parts.

Eleazar 03-09-2014 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10475879)
Per honestchief's post, my bet is on a catastrophic breakup that occurred with no warning. The next question would be whether it was an accident or deliberate.

It seems to me that this plane broke apart in mid-air.

Scary!

Rain Man 03-09-2014 09:56 PM

An interesting fact in this article regarding the two stolen passports:http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/09/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

The two passengers who used the passports in question appear to have bought their tickets together.


Now, that could just mean that they're people traveling illegally and that they both bought stolen passports together, but it's nonetheless interesting even if it has nothing to do with terrorism.

Eleazar 03-09-2014 10:04 PM

I don't think it's terribly uncommon in SE Asia for stolen passports to be used by migrant workers.

RINGLEADER 03-10-2014 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10476250)
I don't think it's terribly uncommon in SE Asia for stolen passports to be used by migrant workers.

This is true, though all the professed "experts" I heard seemed to indicate the four on the same plane was a bit odd.

And I second the earlier poster who can't understand why they don't have self-contained black boxes that transmit in real-time. Heck, how expensive would it be to install cameras on the wings, stabilizer, cockpit, and fuselage? Even if it isn't accessible to the public in real-time for privacy reasons, there could certainly be some repository you could database it to I would think.

If so we'd have a pretty good idea what happened, where it happened, and if there were survivors in the first few minutes at a cost of what? $1,000? Even if it was 10x that amount per year it could prevent another coordinated attack and/or help make planes safer for about $1 a ticket. I'd pay it.

DTLB58 03-10-2014 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10475967)
It seems to me that this plane broke apart in mid-air.

Scary!

Then where the hell is everything?

There are 40 planes and 24 ships looking and nothing. :eek:

DTLB58 03-10-2014 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfan987 (Post 10473972)

Seen that before. Unbelievable.

Jimmya 03-10-2014 06:04 AM

Could be terrorist or illegals.

GloryDayz 03-10-2014 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10476250)
I don't think it's terribly uncommon in SE Asia for stolen passports to be used by migrant workers.

They should have just tunneled like the Mexicans do.

Stewie 03-10-2014 07:00 AM

The oil slick was found not to be from an aircraft.

GloryDayz 03-10-2014 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Stewie (Post 10476552)
The oil slick was found not to be from an aircraft.

Oil from a WOK perhaps?

BlackHelicopters 03-10-2014 07:19 AM

Where is all the debris. It won't all sink.

Jimmya 03-10-2014 07:24 AM

It's crazy that they can't find a giant plane.

Eleazar 03-10-2014 07:27 AM

I'm going to become an MAS370 truther

AndChiefs 03-10-2014 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 10476569)
Where is all the debris. It won't all sink.

http://i56.tinypic.com/168zxjl.jpg

BlackHelicopters 03-10-2014 07:38 AM

They are looking in the wrong place?

Rain Man 03-10-2014 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmya (Post 10476575)
It's crazy that they can't find a giant plane.

based on my understanding, the ocean is much more giant.

Dayze 03-10-2014 08:16 AM

It covers something crazy like 18% of the world. That's insane

chefsos 03-10-2014 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 10476635)
It covers something crazy like 18% of the world. That's insane

Sorry about that...I removed my water saving kitchen sink aerator. It pissed me off.

Tombstone RJ 03-10-2014 08:36 AM

aren't all airline planes tracked via GPS????????????? Was this plane any different?

Jimmya 03-10-2014 09:46 AM

They say they have the location where it went off radar...... Surely it's around there somewhere!

BlackHelicopters 03-10-2014 10:56 AM

Maybe the transponder was turned off and it crashed somewhere else? I don't know.

Eleazar 03-10-2014 11:01 AM

You have to wonder how it could crash and leave no debris that anyone has found yet. It would have needed to plunge nose-down into the ocean or something. If it broke apart in mid-air (Scary!) there would be a debris field that would just be getting wider by the day

Eleazar 03-10-2014 11:05 AM

This seems very similar to Air France Flight 447.

It went down on June 1, 2009. They didn't actually find most of the debris until 2 years later

-King- 03-10-2014 11:18 AM

So theres no GPS on the black box. That's just dumb.
Posted via Mobile Device

CaliforniaChief 03-10-2014 11:24 AM

Even if the plane plunged in a perfect 10.0 nosedive, there would still be wreckage. The plan wouldn't stay intact and just sink.

I remember when the Alaska Airlines plane essentially did just that off the coast of LA there was a lot of wreckage.

Eleazar 03-10-2014 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10476892)
So theres no GPS on the black box. That's just dumb.
Posted via Mobile Device

I don't think GPS works so well at the bottom of the ocean.

saphojunkie 03-10-2014 11:29 AM

What's strange about this is that the flight path doesn't take them to open water. Air France went down flying from Fiji.

Losing a plane in the South Pacific is quite different than the Gulf of Thailand.

htismaqe 03-10-2014 11:34 AM

I don't know what the ocean is like there but some Bermuda Triangle nuts recently found the wreck of a ship off Cape Canaveral that had been sunk by a German U-boat 120 miles to the south. The gulf stream took the sunken ship that far north before it finally hit bottom.

TLO 03-10-2014 12:31 PM

This story is intriguing. I feel like they know more than they are telling us.

GloryDayz 03-10-2014 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 10476569)
Where is all the debris. It won't all sink.

When the Aliens take the plane, they take the WHOLE plane...

GloryDayz 03-10-2014 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10476593)
based on my understanding, the ocean is much more giant.

Like a fifth of the whole earth man! :eek:

Eleazar 03-10-2014 12:45 PM

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 disappeared off radar screens on March 8, 2014 while flying over an area where the Gulf of Thailand meets the South China Sea. Here are five things you need to know about the region:

1. The South China Sea covers about 3.5 million sq km, more than 4,880 times the size of Singapore. Its south-western part, including where the Gulf of Thailand lies, is a submerged plain where the water is generally shallow, less than 60m deep. The north-eastern part of the South China Sea, however reaches depths of up to about 5,490m.

2. There are over 250 small islands and reefs in the South China Sea and the region is subject to violent typhoons. But there was no bad weather report or distress call from the Malaysia Airlines plane before it lost contact with ground air control.

http://www.straitstimes.com/sites/st...ght-path-2.png

3. The South China Sea contains some of the world’s most important shipping lanes. It also has rich fishing grounds and is believed to have potentially significant gas and oil deposits.

4. The area is a source of political tension, with simmering territorial disputes involving several countries. China has claimed sovereignty over most of the resource-rich South China Sea, including the Spratly and Paracel island chains. But Taiwan and Asean members Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines and Vietnam have also laid claim to portions of the territories.

5. The Gulf of Thailand, which used to be called the Gulf of Siam, is an inlet of the South China Sea . It covers an area roughly 320,000 sq km in size. The gulf is relatively shallow: Its mean depth is 45m, and at its deepest, it is just 80m. There are many coral reefs in the Gulf of Thailand, making it a popular tourist destination for diving and beach holidays. Among the more popular tourist sites are Pattaya, and the islands of Koh Samui, Koh Tao and Koh Samet



Sources: Wikipedia, CIA World Factbook, The Straits Times

kepp 03-10-2014 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 10477082)
This story is intriguing. I feel like they know more than they are telling us.

It kind of has that feeling to it.

GloryDayz 03-10-2014 12:48 PM

Sully would have landed the bitch!

Eleazar 03-10-2014 01:22 PM

Why so few clues about missing Malaysia flight?
By Bill Palmer

Editor's note: Bill Palmer, an Airbus A330 captain for a major airline, is the author of "Understanding Air France 447," an explanation of the details and lessons of the crash of that aircraft in June 2009.

(CNN) -- Many people are wondering why there are so few clues about the fate of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, beginning with the lack of a distress call.

This lack of a call, however, is not particularly perplexing. An aviator's priorities are to maintain control of the airplane above all else. An emergency could easily consume 100% of a crew's efforts. To an airline pilot, the absence of radio calls to personnel on the ground that could do little to help the immediate situation is no surprise.

This investigation may face many parallels to Air France 447, an Airbus A330 that crashed in an area beyond radar coverage in the ocean north of Brazil in June 2009. Like the Air France plane, the Malaysia Airlines aircraft was a state-of-the-art, fly-by-wire airplane (a Boeing 777) with an excellent safety record.

The Air France flight's string of events was precipitated by onboard faults that were automatically transmitted to the airline's headquarters during its final minutes. While they lacked any flight parameters, these maintenance fault messages gave key clues, though not a definitive cause of that accident, before any wreckage was found.

Flight data recorders are key

The recovery of the Malaysia aircraft's flight data and cockpit voice recorders would be important in determining the cause of the accident.

Flight data recorders contain data from more than 1,000 aircraft parameters, including altitude, vertical speed, airspeed, heading, control positions and parameters of the engines and most of the aircraft's onboard systems, captured several times per second.

The cockpit voice recorder archives the last hours of not just cockpit voices and sounds but also all radio and onboard inter-airplane communications.

A multinational team of expert investigators will be looking far beyond just the flight recorders. The detailed history of the flight crew and the airplane will be closely reviewed as well who was traveling on two reportedly stolen passports.

Once the wreckage is located, an examination of the debris and its distribution will tell investigators if the airplane was intact upon impact and the angle at which it hit.

Metallurgical and chemical analysis of the parts will determine the stresses and angles that caused the parts to fail, and if explosives were present. These findings of fact will drive the creation of theories by investigators about what caused the loss of the airplane and its passengers.

As an example of investigators' capabilities, we can look at the case of Pan Am 103, a B-747 brought down over Scotland in December 1988. Investigators were able to identify in amazing detail the sequence of events and even the individual suitcase and radio that held the explosives that destroyed the airplane.

Opinion: When passenger jets mysteriously disappear

Difficulty of the search

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370's route heading north from Kuala Lumpur was over sparsely populated and heavily forested mountainous areas of Malaysia and the Gulf of Thailand.
Reports of a possible course reversal observed on radar could be the result of intentional crew actions but not necessarily. During Air France 447's 3½-minute descent to the Atlantic Ocean, it too changed its heading by more than 180 degrees, but it was an unintentional side effect as the crew struggled to gain control of the airplane.

The distance between the north shore of Malaysia and the southern shore of Vietnam of 250 miles is about equal to the distance between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. The flight's last telemetry data, as reported by flightaware.com, shows the airplane at 35,000 feet.
Even with a dual engine failure, a Boeing 777 is capable of gliding about 120 miles from that altitude. This yields a search area roughly the size of Pennsylvania, with few clues within that area where remains of the aircraft might be.


The visual search for any pieces of the airplane that may be floating or visible through dense jungle is under way and indeed a daunting task.

In the case of the Air France plane, it was five days of intensive searching before the first floating wreckage was found. It took nearly two years to locate the remains of the aircraft on the ocean floor 12,000 feet below, broken into thousands of pieces by the impact with the water.

Location of the wreckage may be aided by underwater locator beacons on the airplane's flight recorders, if they have not been damaged in the impact like those on the French plane were.

In contrast, the Gulf of Thailand has a maximum depth of only 260 feet, with the average being about 150 feet. If the aircraft is in the water, it should make recovery easier than the long and expensive effort to bring up key parts of the Air France plane from the 2½-mile deep ocean, where most of the airplane and many of its victims remain.


The wreckage of the Air France flight was located in April 2011, with the flight recorders recovered and analyzed that May. The cause of the crash was the crew's loss of control of the airplane after the speed sensor probes became clogged while flying through a storm in the tropics. It caused the loss of reliable airspeed indications, the autopilot to disconnect and the flight controls to degrade.

The investigation of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 will be sure to take many months, if not years. We will know the truth of what happened when the aircraft is found and the recorders and wreckage are analyzed. In the meantime, speculation is often inaccurate and unproductive.

Donger 03-10-2014 02:00 PM

I would imagine the wreckage is in Cambodia

Reerun_KC 03-10-2014 02:06 PM

It landed in North Korea....

Wouldn't that be some shit.

GloryDayz 03-10-2014 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 10477309)
It landed in North Korea....

Wouldn't that be some shit.

This just in.... Crap!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/ass...al-gallery.jpg

Eleazar 03-10-2014 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 10477297)
I would imagine the wreckage is in Cambodia

Wouldn't there be some record of it entering their airspace, then?

Reerun_KC 03-10-2014 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10477395)
Wouldn't there be some record of it entering their airspace, then?

Most countries have ATC radar now...

IF it entered any country, people would know it.

Sully 03-10-2014 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 10477125)
Sully would have landed the bitch!


Nah

saphojunkie 03-10-2014 03:56 PM

This has Bane written all over it.

jjjayb 03-10-2014 04:15 PM

It's probably just a publicity stunt for the Lost reunion.

http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.c...LostPoster.jpg

Valiant 03-10-2014 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jjjayb (Post 10477587)
It's probably just a publicity stunt for the Lost reunion.

http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.c...LostPoster.jpg

Well so far the storyline of this tragedy is shitty also. So it is keeping pace.

Baby Lee 03-11-2014 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 10477399)
Most countries have ATC radar now...

IF it entered any country, people would know it.

Now they're thinking it DID make land.

Searches are switching to jungles.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A2701720140311

GloryDayz 03-11-2014 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 10480268)
Now they're thinking it DID make land.

Searches are switching to jungles.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A2701720140311

So the Chinese Navy heads home...

http://cdn.atwwwuk.com/images/sti/62...TSR/tsr001.jpg

suzzer99 03-11-2014 01:01 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/11/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

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Mystery Malaysia flight may have been hundreds of miles off course
By Michael Pearson and Jethro Mullen, CNN
updated 2:53 PM EDT, Tue March 11, 2014
Watch this video
Missing Malaysia plane way off course
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
NEW: Still could be terror, mechanical problems or something else, analyst says
Missing flight was way off course, heading wrong direction, official says
Plane's transponder had also stopped, Malaysian Air Force official says
Aviation safety expert says course change "simply inexplicable"

(CNN) -- Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was hundreds of miles off course, traveling in the opposite direction from its original destination and had stopped sending identifying transponder codes before it disappeared, a senior Malaysian Air Force official told CNN Tuesday.

If correct, these are ominous signs that could call into question whether someone in the cockpit might have deliberately steered the plane away from its intended destination, a former U.S. aviation investigator said.

"This kind of deviation in course is simply inexplicable," said Paul Goelz, former managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board.

However, veteran pilot Kit Darby, president of Aviation Information Resources, told CNN's Wolf Blitzer that mechanical problems could still explain everything: A power failure would have turned off the main transponder and its backup, and the plane could have flown for more than an hour, he said.

How does a Boeing 777 become invisible?
CNN law enforcement analyst Tom Fuentes said the news "still leaves mechanical, terrorism (and) other issues as much in the air as they were before."
Questions swirl after airliner vanishes How can a massive airplane go missing?

According to the Malaysian Air Force official, who declined to be named because he is not authorized to speak to the media, the plane's transponder apparently stopped working at about the time flight controllers lost contact with it, near the coast of Vietnam.

The Malaysian Air Force lost track of the plane over Pulau Perak, a tiny island in the Straits of Malacca -- many hundreds of miles from the usual flight path for aircraft traveling between Kuala Lumpur and Beijing, the official said.

If the data cited by the source is correct, the aircraft was flying away from Beijing and on the opposite side of the Malay Peninsula from its scheduled route.

Earlier, the head of the international police organization Interpol said that his agency increasingly believed the incident was not related to terrorism.

"The more information we get, the more we're inclined to conclude that it was not a terrorist incident," Interpol Secretary General Ronald Noble said at a news conference in Lyon, France.

Among the evidence pointing in that direction, Noble said: news from Malaysian authorities that one of two people said to be traveling on stolen passports, an Iranian, was trying to travel to his mother in Germany.

Further, there's no evidence to suggest either was connected to any terrorist organizations, according to Malaysian investigators.

However, CIA Director John Brennan said his agency is not yet willing to discount the possibility of a terror link in what he called a "very disturbing" mystery.

"No, we're not ruling it out. Not at all," he said Tuesday at a Council on Foreign Relations event.

The two passengers who have dominated headlines the last two days entered Malaysia using valid Iranian passports, Noble said at a news conference. But they used stolen

Austrian and Italian passports to board the missing Malaysian plane, he said.
Noble gave their names and ages as Pouri Nourmohammadi, 18, and Delavar Seyed Mohammad Reza, 29.

Malaysian police had earlier identified Nourmohammadi, using a slightly different name and age, and said they believed he was trying to migrate to Germany.
Inspector General Khalid Abu Bakar of the Royal Malaysian Police said it doesn't appear the younger Iranian posed a threat.

"We have been checking his background. We have also checked him with other police organizations of his profile, and we believe that he is not likely to be a member of any terrorist group," Khalid said.

After he failed to arrive in Frankfurt, the final destination of his ticket, his mother contacted authorities, Khalid said. According to ticketing records, the ticket to Frankfurt was booked under the stolen Austrian passport.

CNN obtained an iReport photo of the two men with two of their friends, believed to have been taken Saturday before the plane disappeared. In it, they are posing with the two others, whose faces CNN has blurred to protect their identities.

The bigger piece of the puzzle
The identification of one of the men helps peel away a thin layer of the mystery surrounding the passenger jet, which disappeared about an hour into its flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

But in the bigger puzzle of the missing plane's whereabouts, there were no reports of progress Tuesday.

Every lead that has raised hopes of tracing the commercial jet and the 239 people on board has so far petered out.

"Time is passing by," a middle-aged man shouted at an airline agent in Beijing on Tuesday. His son, he said, was one of the passengers aboard the plane.

Most of those on the flight were Chinese. And for their family members, the wait has been agonizing.

There were also three U.S. citizens on the plane, including Philip Wood.

"As of yet, we know as much as everyone else," Wood's brother, Tom, told CNN's "AC360" Monday. "It seems to be getting more bizarre, the twists in the story, where they can't find anything. So we're just relying on faith."

The challenge facing those involved in the huge, multinational search is daunting; the area of sea they are combing is vast.
And they still don't know if they're looking in the right place.

"As we enter into Day 4, the aircraft is yet to be found," Malaysia Airlines said in a statement released Tuesday.

Four scenarios
Days, weeks or even months
Over the past few days, search teams have been scouring tens of thousands of square miles of ocean.

They have also been searching off the west coast of the Malay Peninsula, in the Strait of Malacca, and north into the Andaman Sea. The airline said Tuesday that authorities are still investigating the possibility that the plane tried to turn back toward Kuala Lumpur.
The search also encompasses the land in between the two areas of sea.

But it could be days, weeks or even months before the searchers find anything that begins to explain what happened to the plane, which disappeared early Saturday en route to Beijing.

In the case of Air France Flight 447, which disappeared over the Atlantic in 2009, it took five days just to find the first floating wreckage.

And it was nearly two years before investigators found the bulk of the French plane's wreckage and the majority of the bodies of the 228 people on board, about 12,000 feet below the surface of the ocean.

The Gulf of Thailand, the area where the missing Malaysian plane was last detected, is much shallower, with a maximum depth of only 260 feet and an average depth of about 150 feet.

"If the aircraft is in the water, it should make recovery easier than the long and expensive effort to bring up key parts of the Air France plane," Bill Palmer, an Airbus A330 captain for a major airline, wrote in an opinion article for CNN.

But if Flight 370 went down farther west, it could have ended up in the much deeper waters of the Andaman Sea.

Aviation officials say they haven't ruled out any possibilities in the investigation so far. It's hard for them to reach any conclusions until they find the plane, along with its voice and data recorders.

Malaysian police, who are tasked with looking at whether any criminal cause was at play, are focusing on four particular areas, Khalid said Tuesday: hijacking, sabotage, psychological problems of the passengers and crew, and personal problems among the passengers and crew.

He said police were going through the profiles of all the passengers and crew members.
Malaysia Airlines Chief Executive Ahmad Jauhari Yahya told CNN's Jim Clancy that those involved in the search for the plane are determined to carry on.

"We just have to be more resolved and pay more attention to every single detail," he said Tuesday. "It must be there somewhere. We have to find it."

'Crucial time' passing
But if the plane fell into the sea, the more time that goes by, the harder the task becomes as ocean currents move things around.

"Crucial time is passing," David Gallo, with the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on Monday. "That search area -- that haystack -- is getting bigger and bigger and bigger."

Gallo described what will happen once some debris from the aircraft is found, though he stressed there's still no evidence the plane hit the water.

"Once a piece of the debris is found -- if it did impact on the water -- then you've got to backtrack that debris to try to find the 'X marks the spot' on where the plane actually hit the water, because that would be the center of the haystack.

"And in that haystack you're trying to find bits of that needle -- in fact, in the case of the flight data recorders, you're looking for a tiny little bit of that needle," he said.

Technology put to use
Countries involved in the search have deployed sophisticated technology to help try to track down the plane.

China has adjusted the commands for as many as 10 satellites in orbit so that they can assist with weather monitoring, communications and other aspects of the search, the Chinese state news agency Xinhua reported.

And the United States has put a range of naval technology to use in the search.
That includes a Navy P-3C Orion aircraft, which can cover about 1,000 to 1,500 square miles every hour, according to the U.S. 7th Fleet.

The Orion, which is focused on the area off the west coast of Malaysia, has sensors that allow the crew to clearly detect small debris in the water, the fleet said.

CNN aviation correspondent Richard Quest described the search as "extremely painstaking work," suggesting a grid would have been drawn over the ocean for teams to comb, bit by bit.

Quest said that the expanding search area shows how little idea rescue officials have of where the plane might be. But he's still confident they'll find it eventually.

"It's not hopeless by any means. They will find it.," he said. "They have to. They have to know what happened."
WTF

Reerun_KC 03-11-2014 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 10480268)
Now they're thinking it DID make land.

Searches are switching to jungles.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A2701720140311

If so, someone would of picked it up on radar. Even of the transponder was off, it would still return a radar ping.


It couldn't of went many places without being identified. Also it would of had to stay at altitude to conserve fuel. The lower you fly the more fuel turbines burn.

htismaqe 03-11-2014 01:06 PM

So it's the US, and really only the US, that is jumping right to the "terrorism" explanation.

Eleazar 03-11-2014 01:07 PM

There are a lot of places in the jungle and mountains in those islands that are almost totally inaccessible.

I'm wondering if it didn't plunge into a lake somewhere, and that is why no one has seen it.

Baby Lee 03-11-2014 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 10480412)
If so, someone would of picked it up on radar. Even of the transponder was off, it would still return a radar ping.


It couldn't of went many places without being identified. Also it would of had to stay at altitude to conserve fuel. The lower you fly the more fuel turbines burn.

Apparently civilian radar wouldn't, military radar would, and this new direction is from some country's military radar intel.


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