What is it the 3 have in common?
Only 2 teams have elite QBs. Only two teams have both starting tackles drafted in the 1st round. By the way those 2 were in the SB last year.

Anthony Davis was the 11th pick not 7.

When will you stubborn people remember there wasn't a franchise QB in this draft.
GET IT!!!! GOOD Now STFD and STFU!!!!!!!!

Not that worthless **** he didn't get his way so he is still showing the sand in his vag.

I thought it was pretty obvious sarcasm. I laughed a bit when I saw Fat Elvis responded to you; I think some people are in such a hurry to attack that they don't think. Similar to the people who clearly read the title of a thread and respond without reading any of the OP

I'm expecting one per game. JC is nasty fast.

I may take him with my #1 pick in fantasy.

"Did you make the playoffs?"
'No, but our O Line was top five.'

What's the latest on Hudson ? I have read here that his injury is a lot more serious than expected and that is why they wanted Lilja back. His Hudson going to be ready? Did they talk Lilja into coming back to play center? Or is Kush our guy out of the gate? Because we can't be 'iffy' at center.:shake:

Your thinking is right on especially if you are picking mid to late in the first rd.

I am not an expert on O Lines, but let me call a buddy, and we will see what he says.............

No way a top five O line doesn't make the playoffs.

If you think Priest Holmes was just suddenly awesome when he was real average in Baltimore....and that Trent Green was amazing when he'd only been pretty average-ish in Washington (but looked good in PRESEASON prior to the knee injury in St. Louis) yer nuts.

Willie Freakin' Roaf, Will Shields, Casey Wiegmann, Brian Waters. Those guys made all that happen.

No, they didn't win a Super bowl, because we had no defense at all.

Two of last years top five didn't make the playoffs. See: Browns and Jets. Your point again?

Browns and jets O-line's werent half as good as Roaf, Waters, Wiegmann, Shields, and Tait. That was an all-world O-line, probably the best in NFL history. I agree though, even if we do have a "top 5" line it still wont compare to what we had under Vermeil and doesnt guarantee us anything. I think Jamaal is a LOT better than Priest, but I also think Trent was a lot better than Alex is or ever will be.

This. Especially with good fantasy QBs being real plentyful.

This 1,000,000 X !!

Trent and Priest were talented and smart enough to take advantage for sure and had far away plenty to win the SB but our defense was stuck at the college level. No one and I mean NO ONE could stop our offense those yrs 2002-05 regardless. King Carl DID by not building our D correctly thinking the 'slow pitch softball type of offensive scoring mentality' in the NFL would suffice even in the playoffs:rolleyes:

Tell that to the Jets and the Browns.
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Objection: assumes facts not in evidence.

Willie Roaf was clearly a difference maker at LT, which is far more rare than people make it out to be, but Priest Holmes started beasting in his first season with the Chiefs, the year before Roaf joined the Chiefs.

And Trent Green was outstanding in relief for Kurt Warner in St Louis the year prior to coming to KC.

The power lineup.

Matchup problems everywhere.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/pictu...pictureid=1354

What if we put Schwartz in at full back? LMAO

Why the **** not.

The Raiders let Kelly and Seymour go. They should be a better matchup for the Chiefs now, as far as the interior of the line goes, anyway.

The Jets weren't a top 5 O-Line.

PFF sucks.


There you go.

This year you are probably right , Matt Shaughnessy is the one I miss the most... Kelly was overrated big time and Seymour was on the bench hurt to much as of late.

Pessimists at best. Probably naysayers.

yea but you are literally comparing an offensive line full of hall of famers to a current line that HAS NO HALL OF FAMERS ON IT. Who on this current line is even close to the caliber of the line Trent Green/Priest had? Albert? LOL. Geoff Schwartz is a nobody injury prone 7th round pick. What have Jeff Allen/Donald Stephenson/Rodney Hudson done it to warrant their pick value let alone be compared to hall of fame offensive lineman? Jon Asomoah is literally just a guy. Every team in the NFL has a Jon Asomoah on their team. Even the crappy o-lines. The closest thing to a hall of famer we COULD(key word here) have is Eric Fisher, and that's because he was picked 1 overall and better live up to the type.

It's disrespectful to talk about that early 00s line with this current offensive line that has done absolutely nothing but prove to be unproductive unknowns for where they were picked.

Did you forget 2002, 2004 and 2005?

Chiefs had a badass line and didn't make the playoffs. Roofles!

Holmes was also pretty damn good his last season in Baltimore IIRC.
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This offensive line should be absolutely dominant from the get go.

A first overall pick
A mid first rounder (that we traded up for)
Two mid second rounders
Two third rounders

Just on investment alone, that should be the Ferrari of offensive lines.

I bet as far as draft value points go, the Chiefs have more invested in OL draft picks than any team in history. If not, I bet it's close.

Just think how much we have invested in our D-line, only to be disappointed.

Jackson, Dorsey, Poe, Bailey, Magee, McBride, Tyler.... The list goes on and on...

Well if we're not going to invest in QB, we need to invest even more in DL.

If you have the QB you need, you cannot stop investing in DL. It should honestly be at LEAST one of your top three picks every year. (This would include OLB.)

Which is why the 2013 draft is so disappointing to me.

I would have drafted (with armed with the knowledge that all of the QBs in this draft blow goats):

1. Star Lotulelei
3. Damontre Moore
3. Quinton Patton

Stick Star at nose. Have Dontari battle it out with Tyson Jackson for RDE.

Can someone post a list of the 2 quarterbacks that were drafted after each of those DL picks were?

Who did we pass on?

If we have a top 5 OL we're making the playoffs. It will mean that Charles will go off and Alex Smith is at the very least be a good quality QB like he was with SF with their top OL.

The difference is we have a good enough defense help us out unlike the DV days when they were one of the worst in NFL history.

There is no excuse for smith not to play well, with what we have invested up front and the weapons around him.

No where to hide for him

Yeah -- to be fair, Alex Smith has only played well behind a great OL.

Not good, but great.

Which we're on the verge of putting on the field.

That too.

We have a Top 5 run game, a Top 5 line, and enough receiving talent at TE and WR for him to use.

If Smith cannot get this going in the right direction, then we need to sell out for a QB.

Here's our PFF ratings compared to the other lines.

1st: 49ers

46.8
19.0
13.2
28.1
29.8

TOTAL: 136.9

2nd: Patriots

29.4
17.7
27.3
0.2
28.2

TOTAL: 102.8

3rd: Jets

23.5
1.3
20.5
2.5
8.5

TOTAL: 56.3

4th: Broncos

27.0
11.2
5.1
12.8
22.6

TOTAL: 78.7

5th: Cleveland Browns


25.6
2.2
14.9
-7.3
16.1

TOTAL: 51.5

Chiefs:

13.8
19.2 (Schwartz's last full season)
4.6
15.0
X - Fisher

If we assume Fisher can play as well as Kalil did last year (15.8) that puts us at 68.4.

With a competent qb behind them, I'm really looking for good things up front. Albert and fisher should lock down the edges.

I like asamoah a lot . Hudson needs to progress though

Yup, unless we get destroyed by injuries.

Folks that live and breathe PFF shit like Clay know exactly how horrible Cassel made this OL look.

We had a good OL in 2012, folks. And it just got way more juiced up.

The thing holding it back was the utter incompetence of Matt Cassel (and later, Brady Quinn).

Alex Smith is serviceable. That alone is going to make things look like a magic spell just auto-tuned the OL into amazing.

lol at Schwartz, a 7th round pick or whatever he was, having a better PFF score than all those overrated 2nd and 3rd round o-line picks we have made the last 4 years

how ****ing pathetic

Whoa there, kemosabe.

Alex Smith makes lines look worse just like Matt Cassel, let's not forget that.

you can read my username? My goodness, you are by far one of the top 3 smartest spatulas I have ever encountered.

I think you have to add Daboll into the turd bowl.

Alex Smith still took 44 sacks behind the best o-line in the NFL

he will take 50+ behind this Chiefs o-line I dont care how much you want to hype up a young inexperience o-line. Alex Smith needs to play behind 5 pro bowlers to even be competent.


I think this o-line will and could be very good, though inexperienced. But Alex Smith will still make them look bad by taking a ****load of sacks

That's an excuse.


Even if a tackle or g gets hurt, we have two talented guys to come in.


Like I said, it's up to Alex either way

If Bowe gets hurt, we're ****ed.

oh what dont trust those 1st and 2nd round pick "WRs" to live up to their draft value?

well I never....

So having not played one down in the NFL, Eric Fisher now makes this the best OL in the NFL? That's a statement hanging by a thread in the wind if I've ever seen one.

I'm going to look up what round those teams drafted their RT/LT to confirm how bad a move that is.

Edit: Ok so the Jets and the Browns are the only 2 teams listed that drafted OTs in the top 5. The rest were drafted in the 1st round or 2nd round still but outside the top 10 in the 1st. So the 2 that drafted in the top 5 have been bad of late. This probably doesn't prove anything but it's still interesting. Also the same 2 don't have QBs, that is a constant.

Another thing to add is that Kelce was known as the best blocking TE in the draft and Reid said Wilson was the best blocking FB in the nation too.

I'm sure those guys will most definitely help.

all these good blockers in place to still watch Alex Smith drop to the ground 40+ times because he sucks

Kelce was definitely NOT known as the best blocking TE in the draft.

Shut up. Where was the 49ers oline ranked in 2011? They were still top 5 idiot.....

THey were the number one rushing offense in football last year with alex smith at qb. You have such hate for alex smith that you just tell lies, just to tell lies. Quite comical.....

He meant Alex makes O-lines look worse at pass protection because he takes so many sacks

and look, thats only half as many times as your mom drops to her knees in a given weekend.

Yeah, your takes are so ****ing stupid, im resulting to your mom sucks plenty of dicks jokes......

It is true, but thats because and this was said publicly by greg roman, that they had instructed alex smith that if it wasnt there to throw it away, or to take a sack. Thats the thing with Alex. He will do whatever the coaches ask him to do. Now, if things dont go to script, thats when he will eff up. He cant improvise for shit.

Great. We gave up almost a 1st and a 2nd for a game-managing QB that holds on to the ball too long and cant improvise for shit. And did you ever wonder why they told him to do that? Because they didn't trust him not to turn it over.

as opposed to qbs who turned the ball over 37 times? You would rather have that?

anyway, here is an article on it.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...sacks-to-picks

Alex Smith has been sacked 51 times since the start of 2011. We're talking about David Carr numbers here. But unlike the Carr-era Houston Texans, the San Francisco 49ers advanced to the NFC Championship Game last season and are now the early Super Bowl favorite.



Schein Nine: Alex Smith, NFL star

Adam Schein heaps praise upon underappreciated 49ers QB Alex Smith and provides three upset picks for Week 3. More ...


Smith and San Francisco have a simple philosophy -- sacks are better than interceptions.

"Obviously, you don't want to take sacks, but sometimes it's not the end of the world," Smith told The Associated Press. "You watch Aaron Rodgers play, a guy that takes a lot of sacks, but he also makes a lot of plays with his feet, keeps plays alive. There is some give and take there with not just forcing balls and getting rid of the ball."

Smith has thrown the fewest interceptions of any quarterback since the beginning of last season. He holds the team regular-season record with 216 attempts without a pick. That would be 284 including the playoffs.

"If your ultimate goal is to keep your stats low in sacks, then he needs to get rid of the ball," 49ers offensive coordinator Greg Roman said. "Our ultimate goal is to win games, and you don't lose games getting sacks. You lose games by turning the ball over and not scoring enough points.

"There's some times where you quantify a sack as a smart sack for a quarterback, at least we would."

Can't argue with Roman. You'd rather take a sack than blindly throw into coverage to avoid it. What amazes me, still, is we're talking about Alex Smith. The same Alex Smith who threw 53 interceptions in 50 starts before 2011.

Keep doing your thing, late bloomer.

Kind of a "Moneyball" approach to football, I'd say. Bill James shit.

they truly believe that if you dont turn the ball over you will win. That is the first thing the taught alex smith. Dont turn the ball over, if it aint there, eat it, every possession should end in a kick. It was something that 49er fans didnt understand. And still dont......

The Oline won't be able to overcome the suck that is Alice Smith.

how is this a moneyball approach

this is the exact opposite of moneyball, this is one of the highest paid rosters in the entire league. they ****ing better produce.

What?

You can't even comprehend what I'm trying to say.

The 49ers had a great offensive line two years running.

And yet, Alex Smith was the MOST SACKED QUARTERBACK IN FOOTBALL.

Because his pocket presence stinks like your posts.

In comparison to Cassel they'll think he's awesome.
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Smith played behind a better OL and was sacked more.

While playing with leads, and a better running game.

How is that even possible?

He had a 1000+ yard season in '98 or '99, but he was in a system that he was not a good fit for.

You can win a shit ton of games by playing ground control, clock control, and defense, and minimizing mistakes.

You win championships with playmakers making plays.

The most important playmaker is QB.

Alex Smith will win games.

Alex Smith will never win championships.

4 of 5 have been the playoffs recently
3 of 5 are division champs
2 of 5 have HoF QB's
1 of 5 has a young up and comer QB
1 of 5 drafted a QB WELL AHEAD of his value because they wanted to take a chance and failed.

And this is why I hate Alex Smith :#

Because of something he hasn't done in the future. Good work.

Aren't the 49ers two time divisional champions with Alex Smith as their opening day starter?

I mean, without his injury last year, Kaepernick doesn't take over Alex Smith's spot, because Alex Smith was on fire last year when he went down.

I don't want to take away from harbaugh here, because he put a solid team together and coached them well, and deserves the credit, but he won two divisional championships with Alex Smith as his starting QB.

I see no reason why we couldn't do that here with a very similar offense in a less competitive division.

JUST LIKE STEVEN BONO!

Don't give a rat's ass about division championships.

So far the same can be said for Kapernick.

Alex Smith is an efficient game manager.

Colin Kaepernick is a dynamic playmaker.

What is your definition of "on fire"?

Jesus...I just threw up in my mouth a little.
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