Unless the Chiefs offer you the option to trade up 1 spot for the guaranteed option to get your man.

So the team voted to have the worst roster in the NFL with only 7 draft picks 0 compensation picks is going to trade up one spot to get a guy that no one ahead will be taking?

LOL

Absolutely.

There's nothing of any substance in that. It's all Mayock defending Nawrocki.

All but two of last years first round trades followed the draft value chart.

RG3 and Trent Richardson.

RG3 commanded more than chart value because multiple teams were bidding for the player...The Browns gave up less for a move up one spot because Minnesota wanted to stay in position to draft Kalil...Ponder said as much on ESPN radio after the draft.

The rest of the trades followed the point chart prettydamn closely.

I can post the breakdowns again, if you'd like.

If we trade down it will be with the eagles.

Andy doing them a solid letting chip get his QB

Maybe get a extra draft pick or two

I don't care.

If the Chiefs have an opportunity to pick up a second round pick, they should do it, pronto.

Again, I'd rather have Ansah and Arthur Brown over Joeckel or Fisher.

The draft value chart is the place you start, not the place you finish.

The Chiefs should be looking to offer the 1st overall at a bargain's bargain.

If they did it for a single 1st round pick, then yeah.

We hold out for that, and the Fish are trading with someone else. And we get Joeckel.

Hey, I'm with ya...but not if that means dropping all the way from 1 to 12...

If we aren't taking a qb (and we aren't) then I'd prefer them to move back 3 or 4 times and get a boatload of 2s and 3s and picks in future drafts if at all possible...and end up selecting in the mid to late 20s.

I'd be fine with that.

Again, prefaced with "if they aren't gonna take a qb"

If you research the breakdowns, it's used as a guideline, not as gospel.

If they offer a trade down at a 500 point discount, that would probably get teams interested...according to The Bad Guy, multiple teams have already called wanting to move up to 1.

Is this team better with Joeckel/Fisher or with an Ansah and a Brown?

If your answer is the latter, you make the trade.

Chiefs luck my ass. More like Chiefs actually did something right since taking Berry at five. Give me that kind of "bad luck" every time, every year please...
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That's a valid point. I just think that if a team can move from 12 to 1 for only a second rounder, someone would offer more.

Geez, blow your first round pick on a LT every four years? The Dolphins are as reeruned as the Chiefs.

I doubt they get actual draft value. But, that was a response to the nonsense in which somebody stated we'de drop 11 spots in the draft for a single second round pick. There's an 1800 point difference between 1 and 12 and mid 2nd rounders are only worth 400 pts (give or take). It'll take more than that and I'd be pissed if Dorsey caved for so little compensation.

We will trade down and we will take the highest offer. Your insipid arguments about "value" mean jack ****ing shit.

Danes point is valid, though.

I'd rather get raped on compensation that get raped by staying put and taking Joeckel.

I think Luke Joeckel may be the most overhyped prospect I've EVER see go through the draft process. Watch his Florida and Alabama games, he got beat all day and bailed out by Manziel.

They need to get Albert locked up long term and take a qb or trade down.

IF Dorsey trades down, I guarantee he gets within 500 points of actual value of the pick. Who's to say we don't make a couple moves and acquire multiple future picks. With the "lack of talent" in this draft, teams might be more inclined to move up to get their guy, rather than stand pat and hope their guy drops.

And I agree about Albert getting locked up long term. I don't want to waste the pick on a position we're already pretty decent at.

Dorsey would fire himself if he traded down to #12 for just a 2nd round pick.

Improving the team is all that should concern Dorsey.

If the Chiefs take Joeckel/Fisher, they're treading water.

If they take an Ansah and a Brown, they've upgraded their defense for years to come. Three relentless pass rushers and a stud next to DJ would go much further than standing pat and taking a left tackle.

Value, schmalue.

I wouldn't draft Ansah that high though. I think he is around the 5th or 6th best pass rusher in this class and has massive bust potential for multiple reasons.

1) age - his birth isn't formally recorded and his age is basically an educated guess. The guy looks 28-30 to me.

2) less than one year as starter and only 3 years playing football at all. He won't physically dominate NFL left tackles IMO.

There are more concerns I have with him, but those are the two major ones.

I don't disagree with the value of Ansah and Brown vs. Joker/Fisher. However, there's multiple teams rumored to be talking trade already. If we can get more, then take it. Let the bidding war begin.....

Yeah, I'm good with the Chiefs making the best deal possible, no doubt.

I just want don't expect Dorsey to be stubborn and use a value chart in order to determine whether or not the Chiefs should make a trade.

With this draft class and the team's needs, two players will be better than one, IMO.

I was just using him as an example to illustrate how the team would be affected by such a trade.

You know what would be a dream scenario?

Moving back to 12 and having Geno fall to us there.

That would be like getting Alex Smith for free in my book.

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With the top 10 picks in this month's NFL draft so jumbled (I mean, look at how our mock drafters are breaking it down -- not a whole lot of uniformity there), a team like the Dolphins might be better off staying at No. 12 overall and not trying to trade up in the first round.

But that's not saying Miami won't trade up -- and it's not saying Miami will. Basically, we're still in the spin zone where NFL executives try to set up smokescreens to try to confuse other teams (and fans and media) about their true intentions for the draft. With that, Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland said this week that his team could trade up, and that it could trade all the way up to the No. 1 overall pick, currently held by the Chiefs.

“I've got enough ammunition to get to the first pick if I wanted to, but I don't see myself doing that, personally,” Ireland said, in the Palm Beach Post.

After losing left tackle Jake Long to the Rams in free agency, the Dolphins could be on the lookout for the next franchise blind-side protector in the first round. Reportedly, they've been enamored with Oklahoma's Lane Johnson, but Texas A&M's Luke Joeckel and Central Michigan's Eric Fisher also figure to go within the first 10 picks (and probably before Johnson).

A guy like Jonathan Martin, whom Miami took in the second round last year and who replaced Long after he was lost for the season in 2012, could move to left tackle permanently. If Miami drafts a left tackle, Martin could return to the right side.

The big question, then, is if one of the three top tackles in the draft still will be available at No. 12. Only one of our mock drafters has the tackle trio lasting past the No. 7 pick, and none predict they'll be available by No. 12. Thus, it seems unlikely.

Maybe, then, a trade up is the right move to make, assuming Miami wants a new left tackle.

“If I get another [Mike] Pouncey and another Jake Long, I would do it every draft,” Ireland said, referring to Miami's 2011 first-round pick and the 2008 No. 1 overall pick. “I wish I had a whole team full of Mike Pounceys and Jake Longs, to be honest with you. I know what I'm getting every single day with those guys.”

For the record, our mock drafters have the Dolphins taking a guard (Alabama's Chance Warmack), a tackle (Alabama's D.J. Fluker) a cornerback (Alabama's Dee Milliner and Florida State's Xavier Rhodes), and a defensive end (Brigham Young's Ezekiel Ansah). Of course, the Dolphins could stay put at No. 12 and probably have little interference from drafting this guy.

But for what actually will happen, well, we're less than two weeks away from finding out for sure.

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If we got next year first plus a second or both seconds go for it. If they like Tavon Austin would maybe have a chance at 12. Not sure where he'll fall though.

I hope they used a pencil. They will need to erase him when he is drafted at #2.

Cut him in half and count his rings

Haven't you been saying the Jags will draft Jordan at 2?

Yea :)

YAY Socks and underwear this year. We can use Albert to shammy the car.

Well, apparantly Jeff Ireland is a useless bag o' dickhammers in the ol' intelligence department as well. If his remarks are not just bullshit, and if he ever had a position of authority in the talent acquisition dept. Of KC, I would absolutely quit this team.
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What an awesome gif.

Maybe yes maybe no

Trading down to # 12 both Geno and Barkley are probably gone by then. What pick would we be looking at there except perhaps one of the three OTs mentioned that are still on the board?

That's around where the DL will start to go. Richardson, Lotulelei.

Tavon Austin.

Bowe, Avery, Austin, Charles, and Moeaki. :thumb:

I thought you already quit this team? I recall you saying that a number of times when they traded for A Smith.

Barkley will not be gone by 12.

I'd love it if we could trade down and snag Austin. But Moeaki needs replaced at some point. Far to unreliable.

Not at 12.

I've cooled down somewhat, even though I still have less faith in Reid than ever. John Dorsey's history with GB is pretty much the only thing giving me any kind of hope for the future. I hope he and Reid aren't a package deal. If Reid flops, it wont be the fault of John Dorsey. Dorsey should be allowed to continue on, and I think he will should it come to that.
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This a 1000x !!!

No way in hell I take Ansah in the first rd. He is more of a late 2nd or early 3rd rd pick. Way, waaaaaaaaaay overrated. Just like Pioli overrated Poe last year.:rolleyes:

Lol. Stop trying to compare this scenario to the Favre-Rodgers scenario. The two are incredibly different.

Fasano has played well in Arrowhead before.

This would be my wet dream come true for sure. But Tavon is Top Ten and will not slip to 12 IMO. Maybe, but I doubt it. He is a Welker with Harvin playmaking explosion with a tough football mentality and doesn't get hurt,unlike 'the Dex'. Every team's dream player at the slot position. But Andy supposedly loves 'the Dex':rolleyes:

This is where I'm at. I wasn't thrilled with Reid, wasn't happy with Smith. I was however thrilled with the Dorsey hire. I think he's the key and hopefully has the brains to straighten things out for a change.

Fair enough.:)

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IF we trade down or get a 2nd rd back - would love to see Woods drafted. Should be a top 15 pick - but projected late 1st/2nd. I think he and Austin are the top 2 in the draft.

And I wouldn't want him for the Chiefs at 12. 4th round maybe.

That would be nice too. But that would mean McCluster will be traded, and I think Reid likes him too much to trade him.

Why? Look at the Packers WR corp. They have multiple speed guys. Bowe, Avery, Austin, McCluster would make a bad ass 4 WR set. Very toudh to defend. Put Charles in that mix at either lone RB or move him out to a 5 WR set, and out offense would be a matchup nightmare for opposing defenses.

I don't hate McCluster as much as some on here do, but he's too slow for his size. Austin would be a major upgrade that would also be a game breaker in the return game. I'd move McCluster to back up RB and give him about 10 touches / game.

I'd trade McCluster for a bag of Fritos and a box of Cheez-Its, and feel like I raped in the deal.

As our 3rd receiver with Bowe and Avery, yeah I think we could do better. However, as our 4th receiver in a set with Bowe, Avery, and Austin, I thnk he could be very effective.

He actually looked pretty good in the Denver game a couple of years ago with Orton at the QB spot... both as a runner and receiver when Bowe was in the game to take some heat off.

Will he ever live up to his draft position? Probably not. But he still could add a lot to this team as a 4th to 5th option that many teams wouldn't have.

McCluster did nothing that any slapdick couldn't do when Orton was at QB.

All those games showed was how terrible Cassel was to the idiots that still defended that useless piece of garbage.

Not with Gray on this team. I'd keep him over Dex.

that's the truth!!

If I could trade him for the rights to Drew Bledsoe, I would do it and consider it rape.

It showed me why Haley hated Pioli and that ****ing 'quarterbacking corps' he had been saddled with, and then that's when I understood why he went insane.

True story
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McCluster is faster and more agile than people on CP give him credit for, and I think the claims that he's not are a little ridiculous.

McCluster has sucked because he's making terrible decisions in the open field, he seems uncomfortable and unnatural running the ball in space or not in space unless he's a RB, and because of all that he looks tentative. He has to be coached out of that. But the idea that he can't improve is wrong. It's just becoming more and more of a longshot at this point.

I would've been uncomfortable on this team in 2011 and 2012 as well.

why would you possibly want to move an undersized guy who can't make people miss to RB?

talking about wasting a roster spot

When did I say that in my post, asswipe? As of today, no it is not. Two years from now? It very well could be. And that, is one of many reasons John Dorsey needs to be around. Let Reid have his little man-crush, and let him learn from it. I'm glad that info came out; soooooooo glad. Puts the FAIL blame right where it belongs, and gives my man Dorsey a clean shrug of the shoulders when shit(read; Alice)goes south. Good times, mother****er. Good times.
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John Dorsey, if given the authority more often than not, will ABSOLUTELY build us one mother****er of a football team. The thought of KC having a Raji, Hawk, Matthews, and Rodgers of our own is just wood-inducing. I absolutely believe in John Dorsey. That mother****er wants BALLERS and not "value". **** value. :)
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I believe in Dorsey and he will do the right thing in drafting Geno.

No he won't. Because it's not the right thing. Go back to AP.

No those people on AP want Joeckel while 1 or 2 of them want the chocolate fountain.

ROFL
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man I sure hope we can draft a bust like AJ Hawk

Don't you have a douche-off to win, Douchey Crocker?
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I just want an AJ Hawk of our own.

Isn't Andy in charge of all personnel decisions..?

It's veray nahs-uh!

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If he's wise, he'll take his man-crush, sit the **** down, shut the **** up, and defer to Dorsey.
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