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Hell no I wouldn't be upset. That would mean they think Geno can be special. Would be thrilled with seeing this franchise take a QB in round 1 since '83.

And Dorsey likes Geno too. So there is a chance.

What about them? When did either of them pull a Washington to secure a QB?
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If only we had Daniel Snyder calling the shots here, it would be paradise!

Reid did when he was drating Mcnabb. I couldnt remember who but somebody offered Reid there whole draft for the #2 spot and Reid said no.

Not sure if sarcasm, but I agree with this.

Next years qbs arent all the great. Bridgewater and Murray. Boyd maybe.

Geno would be the backup not the starter.

Humorus, yet intriguing insight, Rainman.

Pick who you want, we will have that pick next year and you will have the second pick LMAO

I got ya. But it's an neverending supply. If they don't think Genos worth the pick, and I personally do not, then next years model would be serviceable and on and on until the goldenboy avails himself thru pluck and luck whether thru draft or FA, just find the goldenboy that makes your system shine. Aside from Peyton Manning, I believe most of the successful QB's are well coached to maximize their intangibles and strengths. Some suck from the starting gate. Not their fault. They don't draft themselves to a team.

Geno would fit in this offense to perfection.

And if Reid/Dorsey don't see that or feel the pick is too high, well, fool on them. They'll go another way and work towards success. A .500 season would be manna to the faithful.

My thought on the two draft picks, is that it happened so early, if they wouldnt have jumped the gun, they likely could have got Alex Smith either cheap or free.

Not only that, they will owe me for mental anguish cause by this QB rollercoaster ride.

FYP

I am not going to be upset when we don't draft Geno because I've already resigned myself to the fact that he will not be the pick.

This fact has killed my interest in the draft, something that even Pioli wasn't able to accomplish.

I have not scheduled the time off for the draft that I would have otherwise already arranged.

Answer: simply No.

This.

Better question. Will you be pissed when the Jets draft him?

I won't be upset either way. I really do trust their QB evaluation at the moment. I'm hoping we trade down if we don't take Geno though. If they pass on Geno and he becomes a great QB I will open the gates of hell then. If it was Pioli who made those moves I would be pissed, but Reid and Dorsey have earned the benefit of the doubt for now. Whatever you do BE RIGHT!

The Jets could **** up Brad Smith and not get any use out of Tebow.

no need, we have the first pick :hmmm:

We should no trouble whatsoever getting a team to trade up with us, right? If Geno is really valuable, teams should want to get ahead of the Jags.

The better question is "Why trade out?"

Just pick Geno.

I doesn't matter. Because no one wants him badly enough to trade up to one.

I'll be energized if they draft him.

I'll be disappointed but not upset when they don't. Because that's what I've expected all along.

By that logic, no one is worth the pick because no one wants to trade up for anyone. IMO that's a lot of the logic for taking geno. No one in the top 15 or so this year, really stands out. This could end up being 09 in terms of busts as there are a lot of guys picked on potential.


The most likely thing to do is trade Albert and take one of the lt's if you think they are as good or better than Albert

Exactly, if Geno's value is being defined by "nobody wants him enough to trade up for him" then it means that he has equivalent value, in that sense, with Fisher or Joeckel or anyone else. Because nobody is trading up for them, either. So once again, all else being equal Geno should be the pick based on positional value. Since *none* of the available players have "traditional" 1:1 value.

No you don't.

If you think that they are going to be as good as Albert, you keep Albert. He's finally come into his own and is playing good ball and just entering his prime.

You don't sign Alex Smith and try to protect him with a rookie offensive tackle if you are attempting to win now and get the fan base motivated again.

Actually that would be logic for drafting BAP. And the only people on the planet who think Geno is the BAP at #1, post on this forum.

If they do draft him I will be very disappointed because I do not think he is worth the 3rd overall pick. I would prefer that the Chiefs or Jags take him~

That's just silliness. You should draft a tackle in the first every year. That way you can have a whole line made up with top picks, and since you have them all on 5 year contracts, you recycle and keep the cost down!!!!

In a vacuum no.

But if Albert wants a lot more than they wan or think he deserves and they view fisher or joeckel to be a younger cheaper better option, make that move.

Not if they knew the first team wasn't taking the player, but the next team might. People are talking like Geno is THE answer at QB a future all pro, almost guaranteed. What team would pass up a chance to grab him?

We'll see, I'm starting to think the Albert trade is unlikely.

If they think they can upgrade the lt spot with a cheaper younger better option, they'll probably do it. It sucks but it is what it is

better? yeah. this kid is going to be, straight outta the gate, better than a five year pro. yep. that's gonna happen.

:shake:

With the chiefs past in regards to qbs and being in this position this year, obviously people here are a little over charged about the matter. So gotta take a lot of the stuff around here with a grain of salt.

But in regards to teams trading up, there isn't anyone to trade up for. So I'd probably be more inclined to take a guy who could potentially be a difference maker at an important position, depending what happens with Albert

I don't believe the Eagles want Geno bad enough to trade up for him. I think they'd rather draft EJ Manuel and get the BPA (aka Fisher) rather than giving up picks to move up.

I think the most likely team to draft Geno now is the Jags and even they might not want him.

Albert is a solid LT, but he doesn't seem to be the elite LT that people are pumping him up to be.

I think Joeckel and Fisher can be better LT's for this team than Albert.

Most likely scenario is that we trade Albert for a 2nd and use the first pick on Joeckel, though I like Fisher more.

Why can't he be? Rookies can't be better than vets?

yeah. and why can't life be all rainbows and butterflies?

sure they can. in this case, it's highly unlikely. better than a LT that only allowed one sack last year? sure. there's NO ****ING WAY he'll allow a sack!

if he's really damned good and we're really damned lucky, he'll be AS GOOD after a bit of seasoning.

So if either of those LTs are sure fire elite let's we should have no problem trading back with a team that migt miss out on them, right?

surefire elites?

these ARE the same left tackles that everybody is referring to as 'middle to late first rounders' in normal years, yes?

it's ****ed up, I don't get people. there are no elite QBs... OMGZ WE CAN'T DRAFT THE BEST QB. there are no elite LTs... OMGZ WE HAVE TO PICK ONE OF THESE LTS!

this is ignoring the fact that we have a perfectly serviceable LT already.

The whole one sack thing is a bit overblown. We were a rushing team that didn't throw it more than rush iirc. I like Albert but with the new regime, we aren't a rushing team an if they don't think Albert is good enough, it is what it is

I just find the whole " no one wants to trade up for geno, therefor he sucks " rhetoric a little off.


If you go by that logic alone, no one in this draft is worth it. Then we circularly get back to positional value when all else is equal.

They are one of the higher graded LT's in awhile. Both get really high grades and are all top 7 talents in the draft.

I don't think anyone is going to trade up with us because there are 3 of them. I think the trades will come around the 5th or 6th pick when Lane Johnson is the only one left.

The problem is Geno is a question mark. Redskins gave up the farm for RG3 because he was considered a surefire franchise guy.

Geno doesn't have to be a "future all pro, almost guaranteed" to be a more valuable player than any of the tackles. None of these guys are Orlando Pace. None of them are "future all pro, almost guaranteed" either. And if we're comparing them to the inhouse guy, there's no guarantee at all that any of them will be better than Albert was as a rookie, much less is as a vet, and he went FIFTEEN. And they'll *still* have less potential impact even if they end up being the best thing since sliced bread. Geno as a top-15 QB - not even "elite" - would be more valuable long term than having the league's top LT. And it's not very likely at all that any of these will even approach that.

LMAO maybe here people are saying that~

And if Geno turns into a bust? You have a franchise QB. Why take the risk?

We have a franchise QB?

There isn't a guy in this draft that is a sure fire pick. Questions about everyone.


However, and I read this on twitter today about the Seahawks. When evaluating players teu look at what they can do, not what they can't.

According to Reid, yes.

According to our front office, they seem to think we do

But they are just better football players than Geno.

And Luke Joeckel looks to be better than Branden Albert for multiple reasons.

which is exactly why he's playing on a two year contract.

if you believe he's a franchise player, you give him a nice, healthy extension while he's at a lower point of value. you get him cheaper. when he has a few insane seasons (HAHAHAHAHAHAHA), you pay him more.

Why would he be at a lower point of value now? You just gave up two early draft picks for him. He will be at a lower value in two years when he is 30.

Alex Smith is a franchise QB. rofl.

When does the enormous difference in positional value kick in for you? What position do athletes of Joeckel and Fisher calibre have to play for your to say, "I'd rather have Geno."

If they were passrushers? I might take Joeckel or Fisher. LTs? No.

What about you? What if they were safeties? WRs? TEs? 5-techs? When does this shit end with you?

I'm trying to say **** LTs. Get a franchise QB, plug the holes in your offensive line with capable veterans, and your team is good to go.

And he looks worse for various reasons. Aka the 2013 draft.

picking a LT is making two assumptions:

1) your new LT will be as good or better than albert from day one (otherwise, you're ruining your second assumption)

2) alex smith is a franchise qb and must be protected efficiently.

That makes no sense at all.

How does it make no sense? Smith has more bargaining power in extension negotiations right now because you just gave up two early round draft picks for him. If you wait, you can either sign him if he is worth it, or let him go if he stunk it up.

And que RunKC firing back something anti geno and you two having at it in this thread.


Why don't you guys just agree to disagree and move on over the matter

Looking at the votes, I'm surprised as some of the no votes that they won't be pissed after recent vehement arguments

Reid thought that Kolb and then Vick were franchise QBs.

I said it for years.

I said it when Reid was hired.

Over rated.

Alex Smith is a game manager.

Nothing more.

Everyone knows Geno won't be drafted, so it's all for fun anyways.

Geno is not a franchise QB. That's why you are not Nobody believes he's a franchise QB prospect. If they did, than he would be the first pick in the draft easily and the 1st, 3rd, 7th and 8th teams in the draft wouldn't have gotten veteran QB's.

Joeckel would be better than Albert for multiple reasons that are easily specified.

An OT is the best prospect in the draft and Dorsey is going to stick to his word and draft BPA. Idk what is so hard to understand about that?

Obviously we have some here who don't completely understand bpa.


And RunKC, is Tyler Wilson a franchise qb?

Let me pose a question?

Which usage of resources is worse?

A) spending a first, second and third round pick on a solid game managing qb AND a potential franchise quarterback prospect

Or

B) spending 2 firsts, 2 seconds AND two thirds on the offensive line...with one second and one third being backups?

I don't think Reid thought either Vick, or Kolb were franchise QBs.

So your ok with him giving 100 million dollars to a guy he doesn't think is a franchise player?

I think the term "franchise quarterback" is being thrown around pretty loosely. There aren't even that many in the NFL.

As bad as the anti qb guys are some of you guys are getting close.


All those previous picks on the ol were made by the previous regime. It doesn't matter at this point if the new regime doesn't think they are good enough

Yup

Gave Vick 100 million and traded Kolb for a second and a first round quality corner.

He absolutely saw both as franchise guys.

There are quite a few franchise qbs. There aren't many elite qbs.

Does it really mater when B is the way your team is going?

Kolb might be a question, but like o city points out, you don't give Vick the contract he got if you don't belive him to be a franchise QB, unless you're an idiot.

Vick already restructured. He's nor gonna make nearly 100 million.

I'm sure Reid was on board, but blame the GM for the amount.

That's a cop out dude. Doesn't dismiss the fact that Reid gave him te contract. He wasn't restructured by Reid