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htismaqe 02-16-2013 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9408054)
His intent was to appear cool to be part of something like that...without thinking the consequences through first. He should have zipped his lips about it.

I chalk the whole thing up to immaturity and think he has learned quite a bit since then. Like I've said over and over, I'd sign him tomorrow if the price is only 5/60 with 25 guaranteed. Shit, I'd be fine with him getting more than that and have said as much since this time last year.

ABSOLUTELY AGREE.

Incredibly stupid. What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

Rugby Thompson 02-16-2013 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9408068)
you are an incredible ****ing dumb ass...just incredible

just pretend he's white, then you'll have no problem with him

i don't have a problem with him but you're really gonna argue the fact that he doesn't have motivational issues?

58-4ever 02-16-2013 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Thompson (Post 9408067)
I would sign him too but never to Fitzgerald money or even Vincent Jackson money.

A) Who gives a **** what you think.

B) Glad it's not your money or team because Bowe is certainly worth Jackson or better when it comes to money.

58-4ever 02-16-2013 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Thompson (Post 9408192)
i don't have a problem with him but you're really gonna argue the fact that he doesn't have motivational issues?

I'd argue with that. Motivational issues? I've never seen him take plays off, ala Randy Moss, who has severe "motivational issues".

Rugby Thompson 02-16-2013 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 58-4ever (Post 9408205)
A) Who gives a **** what you think.

B) Glad it's not your money or team because Bowe is certainly worth Jackson or better when it comes to money.

Look what Boldin's contract was when he got to the ravens, Bowe should get less then that..

oh are you gonna argue that Bowe is better then Boldin now cause he's not and Boldin should be getting a little bit less then Fitzgerald money.

58-4ever 02-16-2013 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Thompson (Post 9408229)
Look what Boldin's contract was when he got to the ravens, Bowe should get less then that..

oh are you gonna argue that Bowe is better then Boldin now cause he's not and Boldin should be getting a little bit less then Fitzgerald money.

It's all relative. No one is going to get exactly what they are worth. This isn't a video game reerun. You pay what you have to in order to keep your homegrown talent. If that means we open up the pocketbook for Bowe, I don't really care. It's not my money and we will have plenty of cap space. Jesus, the stupidity of people like you amazes me.

Rugby Thompson 02-16-2013 05:56 PM

This is why they should have kept Pioli around as some sort of capoligist, look at the contracts he got done with Charles, that was such a steal.

58-4ever 02-16-2013 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Thompson (Post 9408245)
This is why they should have kept ***** around as some sort of capoligist, look at the contracts he got done with Charles, that was such a steal.

Now you're trolling. It's not like Charles would have got a lot more on the open market. Running backs have 2 contracts anymore... tops.

-King- 02-16-2013 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9407938)
attending the GQ super bowl party along with every other rich and famous person in town means what, to you?

**** that. Young, single, incredibly rich football players need to be sitting in their house 24/7. All that partying is the reason Bowe is always in legal trou...


Wait....

KChiefer 02-16-2013 06:00 PM

A shout-out to the color-coding of the bar graph. Very intuitive.

Anyways, No way Berry want's to match-up against him, Bowe's a stud.

Rugby Thompson 02-16-2013 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9408256)
**** that. Young, single, incredibly rich football players need to be sitting in their house 24/7. All that partying is the reason Bowe is always in legal trou...


Wait....

no one's saying he needs to be sitting in the house but he needs to stop hanging around ex-cons, drug users and drug dealers.

-King- 02-16-2013 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Thompson (Post 9408263)
no one's saying he needs to be sitting in the house but he needs to stop hanging around ex-cons, drug users and drug dealers.

Cool story bro.

htismaqe 02-16-2013 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Thompson (Post 9408245)
This is why they should have kept ***** around as some sort of capoligist, look at the contracts he got done with Charles, that was such a steal.

ROFL

Finding reasons to keep Scott Pioli around.

Classic.

Mr. Kotter 02-16-2013 08:51 PM

I'd think this works for D. Bowe...IF he has a decent financial planner (a big 'if'); if he doesn't, well, he will ask for the moon.

If he asks for the moon, hopefully Dorsey has Jennings on speed-dial.

NJChiefsFan 02-16-2013 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Thompson (Post 9408048)
Bowe looks high in every pic, the only guy that was able to straighten him out was Haley and even that didn't last long.

HE HAS MOTIVATION ISSUES, bottom line and it's because of the drugs. How can you guys be so naive and blind to that fact?

Are you an idiot, true fan, racist, troll, or all of the above? Either way you are a delight to hear from.

Rugby Thompson 02-16-2013 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter (Post 9408899)
I'd think this works for D. Bowe...IF he has a decent financial planner (a big 'if'); if he doesn't, well, he will ask for the moon.

If he asks for the moon, hopefully Dorsey has Jennings on speed-dial.

Jennings is done playing in the cold, he's shipping off to Miami cause of the Philbin.

BlackHelicopters 02-16-2013 09:29 PM

Good read.

aturnis 02-16-2013 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Thompson (Post 9408048)
Bowe looks high in every pic, the only guy that was able to straighten him out was Haley and even that didn't last long.

HE HAS MOTIVATION ISSUES, bottom line and it's because of the drugs. How can you guys be so naive and blind to that fact?

Never once have I ever thought Bowe has a motivational issue. The effort he's put forth year after year with shit at QB is commendable.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-16-2013 11:35 PM

Bowe's a ****ing soldier to want to be a part of this shit storm. Pay him.
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Hammock Parties 02-19-2013 06:09 PM

@PFCentral
Breaking!! Chiefs prepared to offer WR Dwayne Bowe five-year, $55.55 million contract. Almost identical to what Bucs gave Vincent Jackson.

Bowser 02-19-2013 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9416665)
@PFCentral
Breaking!! Chiefs prepared to offer WR Dwayne Bowe five-year, $55.55 million contract. Almost identical to what Bucs gave Vincent Jackson.

Pleasepleaseplease.......

Spott 02-19-2013 06:16 PM

So does weed make him drop every other pass thrown right to him?

QuikSsurfer 02-19-2013 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9416665)
@PFCentral
Breaking!! Chiefs prepared to offer WR Dwayne Bowe five-year, $55.55 million contract. Almost identical to what Bucs gave Vincent Jackson.

http://i.minus.com/iboWIZbcZjG7b5.gif

Brock 02-19-2013 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9416665)
@PFCentral
Breaking!! Chiefs prepared to offer WR Dwayne Bowe five-year, $55.55 million contract. Almost identical to what Bucs gave Vincent Jackson.

OMG THEY'RE OVERPAYING IT HURTS GOD IT HURTS

DeezNutz 02-19-2013 06:26 PM

He'll see all $55M!!!!

YayMike 02-19-2013 06:26 PM

GET IT DONE MEN!

Bowser 02-19-2013 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9416702)
OMG THEY'RE OVERPAYING IT HURTS GOD IT HURTS

6 year, 39 mil. NOT A PENNY MORE /truefans

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-19-2013 06:29 PM

bowe gon get paaaaaaayyyyyyyyehd. w00t!
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ChiefRocka 02-19-2013 06:32 PM

Its the GENO/BOWE SHOW !!!!

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-19-2013 06:35 PM

ya daaaaaaaaaammmmmmmn right.
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O.city 02-19-2013 06:36 PM

I wouldn't get all excited about it quit yet.

Brock 02-19-2013 06:55 PM

They had to lay off Breaston and Boss because of Bowe's greed! Way to go, you selfish chump!

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-19-2013 06:59 PM

OMG HE DROPZ EVERYTHING THIS NEW REGIME SUCKS!/dumbass true fan
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Rugby Thompson 02-19-2013 07:00 PM

Is this enough money to fund Bowe's drug addiction and thug lifestyle?

Hammock Parties 02-19-2013 07:00 PM

Literally had some returd on my FB complain that $11 million a year was too much money.

O.city 02-19-2013 07:01 PM

If it were Marc Boerigter, they'd be fine with it.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-19-2013 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Thompson (Post 9416813)
Is this enough money to fund Bowe's drug addiction and thug lifestyle?

I certainly hope so.
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HotCarl 02-19-2013 08:22 PM

Good. Hope he can fix his dropsies!

htismaqe 02-19-2013 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 9416682)
So does weed make him drop every other pass thrown right to him?

Have you ever caught a pass?

Have you ever caught a pass ON WEED?

http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/19767000...d961dbfd43.jpg

Nightfyre 02-19-2013 09:59 PM

If we sign Bowe:
1) We will either sign or franchise Albert.
2) We are drafting Geno Smith.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-19-2013 11:36 PM

agreed. Its coming and i dont give a flying **** what any talking head says to the contrary. Even Dorsey himself. Even Yahweh the all-powerful. Eugene Geno Smith WILL BE A CHIEF.
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rico 02-19-2013 11:45 PM

This is one of the main thing that appeals to me in terms of signing Bowe and potentially finding our franchise guy. I just want to see the man play some football with a QB who is actually like, a real QB....not one that you see starting for some QB inept team like the Chiefs who's QB's seem to be dudes you'd expect to play QB if you are a fan of a JUCO team...and your starter goes down.

In other words, I want to watch this man play with a real QB. Interested how things would turn out for him.

AussieChiefsFan 02-19-2013 11:51 PM

So. Much. Win.

Geno to Bowe, I can taste it.

DaneMcCloud 02-19-2013 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9417929)
agreed. Its coming and i dont give a flying **** what any talking head says to the contrary. Even Dorsey himself. Even Yahweh the all-powerful. Eugene Geno Smith WILL BE A CHIEF.
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Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan (Post 9417964)
So. Much. Win.

Geno to Bowe, I can taste it.

Seriously, you guys are ****ing creepy

AussieChiefsFan 02-20-2013 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9417968)
Seriously, you guys are ****ing creepy

Can feel it too.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-20-2013 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9417968)
Seriously, you guys are ****ing creepy

The talent is there, and I've reached the breaking point. It is what it is.
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KCrockaholic 02-20-2013 12:30 AM

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So I added the up % of all of Geno's throws from 2012 minus the game Vs James Madison. I didn't take out drops although I did keep track of them.

Screens counted as 10 yards and under but I refused to track those shovel screens that WVU loved to run, so those are not added in.

AussieChiefsFan 02-20-2013 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 9418009)
So I added the up % of all of Geno's throws from 2012 minus the game Vs James Madison. I didn't take out drops although I did keep track of them.

Screens counted as 10 yards and under but I refused to track those shovel screens that WVU loved to run, so those are not added in.

:clap:

KCrockaholic 02-20-2013 12:49 AM

I also have 2012 Geno numbers vs the blitz... If wanted.

AussieChiefsFan 02-20-2013 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 9418030)
I also have 2012 Geno numbers vs the blitz... If wanted.

please!

KCrockaholic 02-20-2013 12:57 AM

Threw 9 TD's against the blitz to only 1 INT which just so happened to come on Geno's only incompletion against KU. On that play Geno expected the WR to come back to the ball. The safety just jumped the route, but really Bailey needed to come back to the ball. It was thrown over the intermediate middle of the field with trash at the feet.

He completed 62% vs the blitz. Remember this doesn't include James Madison which he destroyed so I can only assume his % would be higher if I had added that cake walk, but that's the reason I didn't.

He does have a tendency to run when pressured, but only if he sees a free gap.

His game Vs TX Tech he only completed 2 of 8 vs the blitz. He got to a point where he was just throwing the ball up for grabs, and one of those deep incomplete passes was a drop. He finished that game going 0-6 in the deep left VS TX Tech.

Kansas State had ZERO blitzes. They rushed 4 all game and got pressure throughout.

Meanwhile he torched Maryland. 16 of 20 vs Maryland and was extremely accurate in all zones of the field.

bowener 02-20-2013 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 9418009)
So I added the up % of all of Geno's throws from 2012 minus the game Vs James Madison. I didn't take out drops although I did keep track of them.

Screens counted as 10 yards and under but I refused to track those shovel screens that WVU loved to run, so those are not added in.

****ing incredible numbers. Tweet that shit to D Bowe and mail him some kleenex and jergens.

KCrockaholic 02-20-2013 01:18 AM

Well one thing that really stood out to me is that he isn't as good throwing to his right. When he has to open his hips and reset his feet he's not completely comfortable.

BUT I also have evidence that shows it's just a common thing among all right handed quarterbacks.

In the 5 games I've done of Mike Glennon so far he completes 21% to his intermediate right. And 31% to his intermediate left. Those obviously don't take out drops but NC state had a ton of drops. It's a smaller sample size compared to Geno's but if this rate keeps up look at the difference between the two.

Sassy Squatch 02-20-2013 02:44 AM

Maybe im wrong but Bowe cant sign until a week before FA starts right?

spanky 52 02-20-2013 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 9418102)
Maybe im wrong but Bowe cant sign until a week before FA starts right?

If this is true, Bowe has all the leverage. KC would have to tag him and then work out a deal, which is possible. Believe there is about a week left in which teams can use the tag so we should know soon enough.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-20-2013 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 9418046)
****ing incredible numbers. Tweet that shit to D Bowe and mail him some kleenex and jergens.

lol this.
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crazycoffey 02-20-2013 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9408061)
Can I just have mod powers to ban these obvious trolls? If I ban a legit poster take them away.

JFC

Why **** with the tradition of allowing annoying little shits post whatever they want?

crazycoffey 02-20-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9417968)
Seriously, you guys are ****ing creepy

It's pretty tiring, IMO too. But at least it's a healthier obsession than their real life pursuit of the neighbor's cat....

Rausch 02-20-2013 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 9418102)
Maybe im wrong but Bowe cant sign until a week before FA starts right?

Right. But I think they can franchise him the 4th...

htismaqe 02-20-2013 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9418803)
Right. But I think they can franchise him the 4th...

I think they can franchise him anytime between now and the 4th. If they franchise him after that, they can't sign him to a long-term contract after that.

Nightfyre 02-20-2013 11:53 AM

I thought there was a window for negotiations before the season.

-King- 02-20-2013 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 9418102)
Maybe im wrong but Bowe cant sign until a week before FA starts right?

He can sign now.
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Rausch 02-20-2013 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9418952)
I thought there was a window for negotiations before the season.

I thought the home team gets like 7 days before the other teams can negotiate with the player...

htismaqe 02-20-2013 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9418952)
I thought there was a window for negotiations before the season.

There is, it's in like August.

Ace Gunner 02-20-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9408061)
Can I just have mod powers to ban these obvious trolls? If I ban a legit poster take them away.

JFC

can you go be a sniveling god somewhere else. thx

DJ's left nut 02-20-2013 12:04 PM

I wonder if both Albert and Bowe would want to avoid the franchise tag badly enough to end up with a 'race to the courthouse' scenario.

"Gentlemen, one of you's getting singed to a long-term deal with a massive signing bonus, the other is getting the tag. Here's a pen and here are your contracts which are FMV contracts based on last year's market. The salary cap has not changed, so last year's market remains a valid point of comparison. Whichever one of you gets me a signed contract first will get your long-term deal."

It's kinda the ol' prisoner's dilemma. You don't have them in the same room together because then they could band together and both choose not to sign and leave you in a bit of a lurch. Make the presentations to their respective agents and send them on their way.

Yeah, Bowe has some leverage here, but the Chiefs have some as well if they use it correctly.

Rausch 02-20-2013 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9418981)
I wonder if both Albert and Bowe would want to avoid the franchise tag badly enough to end up with a 'race to the courthouse' scenario.

"Gentlemen, one of you's getting singed to a long-term deal with a massive signing bonus, the other is getting the tag. Here's a pen and here are your contracts which are FMV contracts based on last year's market. The salary cap has not changed, so last year's market remains a valid point of comparison. Whichever one of you gets me a signed contract first will get your long-term deal."

It's kinda the ol' prisoner's dilemma. You don't have them in the same room together because then they could band together and both choose not to sign and leave you in a bit of a lurch. Make the presentations to their respective agents and send them on their way.

Yeah, Bowe has some leverage here, but the Chiefs have some as well if they use it correctly.

I'd be much more comfortable giving Bowe a long term deal than Albert. Let's see if Albert can stay healthy during his tagged year before locking him up to big money...

-King- 02-20-2013 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9418985)
I'd be much more comfortable giving Bowe a long term deal than Albert. Let's see if Albert can stay healthy during his tagged year before locking him up to big money...

Bowe had a neck injury that put him on IR. Why is Albert a bigger risk than him?
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Nightfyre 02-20-2013 12:15 PM

I thought it was a rib injury?

-King- 02-20-2013 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9419002)
I thought it was a rib injury?

You're right. Don't know where I got neck from.
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htismaqe 02-20-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9418985)
I'd be much more comfortable giving Bowe a long term deal than Albert. Let's see if Albert can stay healthy during his tagged year before locking him up to big money...

By the same token, if you have every reason to believe Albert is healthy, he's probably got twice as many years left in him as Bowe.

There's pros and cons to both. I'd still prefer to tag Albert and sign Bowe, if we can't sign both of them.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-20-2013 12:35 PM

just get the deals done so we can move past this absurd joekel bullshit.
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KC_Lee 02-20-2013 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9419071)
just get the deals done so we can move past this absurd joekel bullshit.
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The Joekel BS will continue because the national media will push the "Albert will move from LT to LG" line.

Mr. Laz 02-20-2013 12:44 PM

Gochiefs complaining about trolls.



ROFL

htismaqe 02-20-2013 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 9419077)
The Joekel BS will continue because the national media will push the "Albert will move from LT to LG" line.

Exactly.

This won't be over until draft day.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-20-2013 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 9419077)
The Joekel BS will continue because the national media will push the "Albert will move from LT to LG" line.

how did something SO...****ING...STUPID...created here or another BB gain national truck??? Yep, NO ONE in the "legitimate" sports press pays attention to us lowly BB maroons....
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KC_Lee 02-20-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9419135)
how did something SO...****ING...STUPID...created here or another BB gain national truck??? Yep, NO ONE in the "legitimate" sports press pays attention to us lowly BB maroons....
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No idea other than the fact that Albert played LG in college and the national media just cannot fathom the Chiefs taking Geno with the first pick.

With all the mocks with Joekel as the first pick I am convinced that most national writers are 1) to damn lazy to see that KC needs a QB more than any other position on the field, and 2) forgot about the rookie pay scale so they can spout the "value" line over and over.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-20-2013 03:05 PM

this.
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Nightfyre 03-05-2013 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9417547)
If we sign Bowe:
1) We will either sign or franchise Albert.
2) We are drafting Geno Smith.

Yes, one final step until completion of Operation Godiva.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-05-2013 12:43 PM

This thread is pretty damn spot on man.


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