Yeah, I'll take 3 AFCCG's in 5 years.

Hes frustrating to get a handle on. Hes just so inconsistent at times.

Maybe this will be his year? Sometimes we are too hard on guys if they dont win right away or dont win the big one in their first few years. Peyton didnt even win or make a Super Bowl until his 8th year in.

Yea, and he really only had about 4 or 5 prime years. After that he got beat up, then left the league for a year or two, came back and became a pure pocket passer.

Running QBs dont have long careers.

I would take him over Rivers right now, unless Rivers pulls his head out of his ass. Flacco to Gates would be awesome.

ROFL rep!

I've always thought that too. That guy could throw a 70 yard pass on an absolute rope. Unbelievable arm. Threw one of the prettiest passes I've ever seen. And in Minnesota, you saw glimpses of what he could have done in a more pocket type system. It's just plain sick to think of what he could have done in today's spread game under a coach like Harbaugh.

As for the OP, yeah Flacco is a FR QB. Not yet elite but definitely has a chance once the older guys leave (Brady, Manning, Brees)

As for the Cunningham argument, that guy was/is a monster. Too bad he was early :(

The problem with Cunningham was a lack of consistent accuracy, and the lack of ability to take some heat off his short passes.

Everything was a rocket.

Flacco played fantastic tonight.


He beat Denver, at home, with Denver being spotted a TD. (2 returns - 1 pick 6).

That is amazing. He completely turned me around tonight.

If he plays like this next week against Brady in Foxboro and wins, he's an elite QB IMO.

He's kind of like Eli to me. Not very consistent in the regular season and will lay an egg fairly often, but very good in the playoffs.

I really think the Ravens are SB bound this year.

This I agree with. Guy has some great wins/performances in the clutch over his career.


The latter part of your post, I don't. I'm a Tom nuthugger and fully expect him to beatdown the Texans and then eek out a win against Baltimore.

So, if Matt Schaub wins in New England tomorrow, is he elite?

And if that happens, how would a win in Houston affect Flacco's potential legacy?

If the Texans win in New England, I doubt Schaub will have the effect on the win that Flacco did tonight.

I think Schaub is a game manager, and I thought Flacco was too for the last few years, but over the last few playoff games he's played, he's stepped up.
He outplayed Brady last year on the road, just outplayed Manning on the road and if he outplays Brady on the road again for the 2nd straight year, I think that would speak volumes to his development and launch him into the elite status.

Schaub has a weak arm, so I think that limits their offense some. But their offense is fairly basic too. They do a ton of run, run, pass......run, run pass......run, run, pass.....

ROFL

I love it

I was railed, and told he wasn't

I have little doubt this poll goes the other way if it was started on Friday. Reaction Planet.

The problem with Cunningham was that Buddy Ryan drafted him and had no interest in teaching him how to play the QB position. He wanted a running back who could throw deep once and a while.

He proceeded to use him in a way that hindered his development and caused him to be injured often.

I think it inspired Shanahan to get his QB killed as well, because he's doing his best to emulate how Ryan ruined Randall with RGIII.

Let's try this again.

Yep. Absolutely. If nothing else, this should show why you shouldnt pass on a potential top QB in the draft. QB is everything. Chiefs passed on Rodgers and Flacco and is it any coincidence their poor record since 2007?
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For years I thought he wasn't. He's slowly grown into the position. I'll take my Flaccrow with a side of hot sauce.

Yep. Still good.

Flacco will win. First round quarterbacks win Super Bowls.

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Joe Flacco: 6th road playoff win as starting quarterback, most all-time.

I beleive that beats Len Dawson's record.

Hell yes he is. I wish he wore red.

meh, Cunningham had no WR's. Keith Jackson and Byers carried the offense.

Okay, I guess I should bump this. What do we think now?

Tyler Palko says no

Okay, I'd like to change my vote now.

:)

I think he's going to be a very, very rich man by the end of the year.

Let's not rush to judgement. Let's give it another 5 years. /average Chiefs fan

Super Bowl MVP

Needs more pelts /Scott P.

He played a great game. Think Baltimore wants to take another shot at letting their QB go after a SB win?

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Joe Flacco in the past two years in the post-season: 15 TDs, 1 INT. Any more skeptics?

I thought Flacco was pretty mediocre after the regular season and figured they'd be one and done in the playoffs. He has been playing lights out since then. Gotta give the guy credit.

Well remember it wasn't but two months ago their team was in a tailspin, and Flacco lost a game to Charlie Batch, got slaughtered by the Broncos, etc.

Yea, all the sudden the light bulb came on for him. Congrats to him. I guess they were right to fire Cameron so late in the season.

2008 is arguably this franchises best draft ever....

I would trade all of those players for Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco. :doh!:

Amazing that 1/4 of the board said no to Joe Flacco.

With an injured team and a bad offensive scheme, yes.

That's true, but it's not like Flacco played like he did in the playoffs during the season. There were people legitimately asking whether he was worth re-signing at the time. His last two playoff runs have shut that down though. They barely beat the Chiefs, got destroyed by Houston, etc.

Hey, if we've got enough money, there's still time to get Flacco

Suck my BALLS. Everyone.

I've been sucking Joe's for three seasons.

But what about Geno?!?

Flacco showed up for the entire post season. He's a franchise guy, obviously.

And a Lombardi Trophy.

Do you think Trent Dilfer was a franchise QB?

And...those two aren't comparable at all.

Do I think you watch and understand football?

and he's a Super Bowl MVP


lol

#ELITEASFLACCO

No he's an average QB that won't ever be the reason that a team would be in or win the Super Bowl /CP douches last season.

Though I called him as a legit Franchise QB.

In my short time here, this does not surprise me. Flacco is not Geno. Thus he cannot be good.

He has definitely turned a corner. For the longest he was a manager type whose best asset was not having brain farts. Tonight he was as elusive and extended plays as well as Kaepernik and Roethlisberger, and that's saying a lot. I'd say his propensity for not making mistakes is still his strong suit, but his mobility and sticking with the play to the bitter end has really made strides. Kaepernik probably actually outplayed him overall, but Flacco gets the hardware.

In the end, I was actually hoping that the 49ers would take the lead to see how Flacco responded. They showed him sitting on the sidelines as the 49ers were knocking at the door and he looked so serene, reminded me of Joe Cool Montana. Was really wanting to see if his calmness translated to crunch time performance.

Also, he's another first round pick to win a Super Bowl.

Are the pig-****ing true fan ****ers over the "GET BETTER QB VALUE IN TEH 2ND ROUND!!!!111" bullshit yet?

Trade down and take Glennon at the 14th pick! First round!

Only if he has won a playoff game 5 straight years, I won't even require it be his first 5 years.

No, we have to blame you for being an idiot without considering that old ass team mate was retiring. .

Turned a corner-LOL

Means you said he sucked before but now think he is great-LOL

LMAO

I've NEVER said Flacco sucked. I didn't know he had the elusivity he displayed today. But I've consistently held that he'd take a good defense to the promised land. Flacco has always been a good QB for a good defense, today he was a good QB for a team whose WRs take a bit to come open, and he's the QB with the hardware.

I was never down on him. Show where I ever have been.

That 9ers passing game tonight almost looked like something Charlie Weis would've cooked up for Tyler Thigpen. They were dead meat if his first read wasn't open, and a sizeable percentage of his yards came from broken tackles thanks to Crabtree and Davis. Even with the game Boldin had, Flacco was able to spread the ball around, whereas Kaepernick basically laser-locked on those two guys. It was just safe designed throw after safe designed throw. Which is understandable when you have the weapons they do, and the running game they do.

But in the end I thought the game was a classic example of why pocket QBs will never go out of style, no matter how appealing running QBs might look. That's not to say that Kaepernick doesn't have some passing tools, but he still has a ways to go. Smoke and mirrors got them pretty far, but even with that line, that running game, and Davis and Crabtree wreaking havoc when they had the ball, it just wasn't quite enough.

And Flacco clearly outplayed him. It's not even a question.

Which is kind of a shame. I hate seeing Ray Lewis go out with a win.

Yeah, he was the better QB in that game. And tonight wasn't anything we hadn't seen from Flacco before, he's been playing this way for about 3 seasons now (while being particularly effective in the postseason). I think he moved past that "game manager" tag quite a while ago.

Nope.

You'll hear the same $3it from the KC Star and sports talk for the next two months...

There's not much to dislike about Flacco. I think he's a very good QB and over the next few years as that defense adjusts to the guys they're likely losing, we'll see how he does if it becomes more offense than the balance they've had the last 5 years.

It's a fun offense to watch and he makes big plays - again, not much to dislike about him and the production.

For the Chiefs...whose your choice for QB?

Flacco or Kaepernick?


I am choosing Flacco.

Flaepernick

Kaepernick.

I think he is elite & a franchise QB for the Baltimore Ravens. I don't want him for our franchise. I want to draft our OWN franchise QB. So I'm not voting in this poll.

Same. Well not sucking his balls, but I defended him against people that said he sucked.

He totally changed my tune in this last month, dude is legit.

Just reaffirms my preference for big, physical pocket passers... he made several throws under very heavy pressure, thats what those kinds of QB's can give you.

The elite QB's were at home sitting on their asses watching Flacco and the Ravens win a Superbowl.

Based on this year, he's pretty darn good quarterback, but more along the lines of a Ken Stabler or Bert Jones. Good, and obviously good enough, but not a franchise quarterback. He doesn't even hold sway over a linebacker on the team.

If you list Eli as elite you have to list Flacco...

He's very much like Eli Manning.

He's fairly erratic and not always terribly accurate. That said, he's not scared to unleash the ball downfield and he doesn't spook easily.

Both the Ravens and Giants have done a good job of dealing with his occasional accuracy issues by hiding them behind a deep passing game. He's become a high risk/high reward, downfield passer and I think that's just a brilliant way to use a guy like that.

It's really what the Bucs should be doing with Josh Freeman and if the Jets had any weapons, they should at least try it with Sanchez. The guys with middling accuracy just cannot run a short passing game.

He's not a true 'franchise' QB in the sense that I don't think he's just going to go all Brady or Rodgers and make his entire team better - there are much much fewer of those in this league than most will admit. That said, I'd take him as my QB any day because he is absolutely a guy that can win for you (obviously) if put in the right situation.

EDIT: What Rausch said. They're the same guy.

If we are not already there, we are very near a point where the NFL regular season doesnt matter as much anymore.

Ravens were the 4th seed this year, Giants 4th seed last year, Packers 6th seed before that. Its become all about getting on a hot streak at the right time, and guys like Eli and Flacco tend to be very streaky.

Who cares if you lose a few games in Sept or October??

I think that Joe Flacco posses the skill-set necessary to be a franchise guy. I also think that he is often unfairly criticized. He didn't like that criticism much and stepped up...he responded, with a Superbowl win. He's a franchise man, in my opinion.

If you take an 8-8 team and put him at the helm, are they a SB winner? Can he make a 6-10 team a playoff team?

That's how I view a 'franchise' QB - a force multiplier that makes everyone else on his team better.

Flacco doesn't do that, IMO. He's not an accurate enough passer for long enough stretches for that. Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Peyton are guys that can throw 50 footballs and hit their target 48 times. They're smart decisionmakers that can run any offense they're given.

Flacco's not that level of guy. He's a very good quarterback and someone I would gladly have lead my team, but he's not to the level of the truly stellar, IMO.

This is true, but I'm actually starting to think thats about the level you need. Franchise QB doesnt' always equal elite Qb.

Brady Brees P. Manning (?) Rodgers are the only really elite guys in the league, then there is a whole other tier of guys. I'll take a guy in that second tear in a second.

You also dont know but that said second tier guy can't grow into the first tier.