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Frazod 01-12-2013 04:51 PM

Gerard Butler would have been an infinitely better choice for Javert than Crowe. At least we know he can sing.

Red Brooklyn 01-12-2013 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 9308947)
I'm no fan of Cohen - this is actually the first time I've seen anything he's been in - but I liked the way they were portrayed. On stage they're basically comic relief - in the film, they're much more sinister.

That's interesting. I would have thought less sinister. Good to know.

I think I just don't like the characters. And the performances don't change my mind. I'd rather just cut all their stuff, or limit it to one much shorter scene.

But I can understand - especially on stage - why the audience would want a reprieve from the misery. Comic relief isn't a bad thing.

Fire Me Boy! 01-12-2013 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 9308960)
Gerard Butler would have been an infinitely better choice for Javert than Crowe. At least we know he can sing.

No he can't! He was equally bad as Phantom as Crowe was as Javert. Butler's idea of singing was belching through the performance.

:Lin:

Red Brooklyn 01-12-2013 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 9308960)
Gerard Butler would have been an infinitely better choice for Javert than Crowe. At least we know he can sing.

Does he sing? I've never heard him. I would have been interested in seeing what he'd do with part. I think he would have been much more interesting.

Frazod 01-12-2013 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn (Post 9308964)
That's interesting. I would have thought less sinister. Good to know.

I think I just don't like the characters. And the performances don't change my mind. I'd rather just cut all their stuff, or limit it to one much shorter scene.

But I can understand - especially on stage - why the audience would want a reprieve from the misery. Comic relief isn't a bad thing.

On stage they mainly come off as buffoons.

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Red Brooklyn 01-12-2013 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 9308977)
No he can't! He was equally bad as Phantom as Crowe was as Javert. Butler's idea of singing was belching through the performance.

:Lin:

Well, there you go. From an acting standpoint, I still think he would have been a more interesting choice than Crowe.

But if he can't sing, he can't sing.

Frazod 01-12-2013 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn (Post 9308980)
Does he sing? I've never heard him. I would have been interested in seeing what he'd do with part. I think he would have been much more interesting.

He played the Phantom in the film version of Phantom of the Opera.

Fire Me Boy! 01-12-2013 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 9308977)
No he can't! He was equally bad as Phantom as Crowe was as Javert. Butler's idea of singing was belching through the performance.

:Lin:

Well, maybe not "equally bad" as Crowe... but he was terrible.

Frazod 01-12-2013 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 9308977)
No he can't! He was equally bad as Phantom as Crowe was as Javert. Butler's idea of singing was belching through the performance.

:Lin:

Oh come on - he wasn't that bad.

Reaper16 01-12-2013 04:57 PM

Gerard Butler would have been as bad, probably. Javert needs someone whose voice has precision and discipline, because that's what Javert is all about. See: Phillip Quast.

Fire Me Boy! 01-12-2013 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn (Post 9308991)
Well, there you go. From an acting standpoint, I still think he would have been a more interesting choice than Crowe.

But if he can't sing, he can't sing.

Emmy Rossum was terrible, too. Her singing was fine, but she couldn't act her way out of a wet sack in that movie. Which leads me to believe the problem with the movie version of Phantom was Joel Schumacher's direction, because Rossum is great in Shameless.

Fire Me Boy! 01-12-2013 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 9308999)
Oh come on - he wasn't that bad.

ROFL

I just posted above you that maybe not as bad as Crowe, but he was still terrible.

KurtCobain 01-12-2013 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 9309014)
Emmy Rossum was terrible, too. Her singing was fine, but she couldn't act her way out of a wet sack in that movie. Which leads me to believe the problem with the movie version of Phantom was Joel Schumacher's direction, because Rossum is great in Shameless.

you lay off Rossum she's perfect in every way.

Fire Me Boy! 01-12-2013 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9309003)
Gerard Butler would have been as bad, probably. Javert needs someone whose voice has precision and discipline, because that's what Javert is all about. See: Phillip Quast.

YES!

I posted somewhere earlier a video of Quast as Javert. He's my favorite of any of the recordings.

Frazod 01-12-2013 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9309003)
Gerard Butler would have been as bad, probably. Javert needs someone whose voice has precision and discipline, because that's what Javert is all about. See: Phillip Quast.

You guys are like Mikey from the Life cereal commercial.

Fire Me Boy! 01-12-2013 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Argo (Post 9309021)
you lay off Rossum she's perfect in every way.

Oh, I'm a fan, believe me! I love her in Shameless - she's got a ton of range. And she got nice boobies.

But she was awful in Phantom. Again, I lay the blame on Schumacher. It wouldn't be the first thing he's ruined.

Frazod 01-12-2013 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 9309025)
YES!

I posted somewhere earlier a video of Quast as Javert. He's my favorite of any of the recordings.

Have you ever heard of Michael McCarthy? He played the role of Javert onstage, mainly in London. Had a bit part in the 10th anniversary concert as the Foreman. He's married to one of my cousins. There's a recording of him doing Stars on You Tube, but it's a fairly crappy recording.

KurtCobain 01-12-2013 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 9309039)
Oh, I'm a fan, believe me! I love her in Shameless - she's got a ton of range. And she got nice boobies.

But she was awful in Phantom. Again, I lay the blame on Schumacher. It wouldn't be the first thing he's ruined.

I apologize, I skipped the rest of your post after you said she couldn't act. I've never seen the film in question.

Fire Me Boy! 01-12-2013 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Argo (Post 9309069)
I apologize, I skipped the rest of your post after you said she couldn't act. I've never seen the film in question.

Oh... then Argo **** yourself.

Fire Me Boy! 01-12-2013 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 9309063)
Have you ever heard of Michael McCarthy? He played the role of Javert onstage, mainly in London. Had a bit part in the 10th anniversary concert as the Foreman. He's married to one of my cousins. There's a recording of him doing Stars on You Tube, but it's a fairly crappy recording.

Nice. Terrible recording, but nice job.

Frazod 01-12-2013 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 9309122)
Nice. Terrible recording, but nice job.

Yeah, he's top notch. Ironically, I've never heard him sing live on stage - just in my grandpa's church. :D

Deberg_1990 01-12-2013 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 9309039)
Again, I lay the blame on Schumacher. It wouldn't be the first thing he's ruined.

Oh come on....St. Elmo's Fire was brilliant.





















Brilliantly awful

Red Brooklyn 01-13-2013 02:10 PM

St. Elmo's Fire, sadly, is probably one of the top 3 best films Schumacher has made.

Fire Me Boy! 01-13-2013 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn (Post 9313825)
St. Elmo's Fire, sadly, is probably one of the top 3 best films Schumacher has made.

Oy... looking at his filmography on IMDB: Phonebooth was decent; Falling Down was great. Yeah, SEF probably is in his top 3.

Deberg_1990 01-13-2013 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 9313879)
Oy... looking at his filmography on IMDB: Phonebooth was decent; Falling Down was great. Yeah, SEF probably is in his top 3.

Just the ones I've seen...

Lost Boys
Falling Down
A Time to Kill

He's kinda fallen off a cliff the past 8 or 9 years...

Frazod 01-13-2013 02:28 PM

I liked Lost Boys and Flatliners.

Shumacher's worst film, however, was Batman and Robin. I'd rank that just under Dune as the worst movie I've ever seen.

BigMeatballDave 01-19-2013 08:17 PM

LMAO
This guy is not a fan.
http://themattwalshblog.com/2012/12/...to-hate-again/

Les Miserables Taught Me How to Hate Again

Last night I went to a showing of Les Miserables. And when I say “went to” I mean “hogtied and dragged at gun point by my wife, her sister and her mom”. By the looks of many of the other men in that crowded overheated theater, I was not the only hostage victim in attendance. In fact I saw one dude commit Hara-kiri while shouting “death before dishonor” in the parking lot prior to the screening. At first I thought he was slightly overreacting. And then the movie started.

I have to say, after watching the entire film, it was actually a thousand times worse than I could have imagined. Les Miserables will stand forever as the most miserable cinematic experience I’ve ever suffered through. And this is coming from a guy who saw “Christmas with the Kranks” in theaters, so that should tell you something.

Let me run through a few points about this excruciating horror show for anyone, especially any man, who has not yet been forced to endure it.

Les Miserables apparently holds the Guinness world record for longest musical about a minor parole violation. It tells the utterly pointless tale of an ex-con as he tries to elude a bumbling parole officer for 20 years. This is also, it should be mentioned, the first film to show two decades pass by in real time. So if you’re heading to the theater tonight make sure to pack a change of clothes. My wife told me afterward that the movie, despite its torturous running time, actually CUT OUT several scenes from the original play. Too bad they didn’t cut out more scenes. Like every scene. Of course it didn’t have to be that long. Hugh Jackman, the criminal guy, could have just, you know, MOVED OUT OF THE FREAKING CITY IF HE DIDN’T WANT TO BE CAUGHT. Instead this whole game of cat-and-mouse between Jackman and Russell Crowe takes place in one neighborhood. The dumbest criminal of the millennium vs. a law enforcement officer that makes every Leslie Nielsen character look like Sherlock Holmes in comparison.

Oh. But it gets worse. Much worse. They sing. Dear God do they sing. They sing EVERYTHING. Look, I know it’s a musical. I get it. I’ve seen Fiddler on the Roof and The Sound of Music and West Side Story. They sing in those films/plays also. But then they break up the musical numbers with normal dialogue. But that’s just too simple and not nearly irritating enough, according to the maniac who wrote this tornado of crap. Every single line in the movie is sung. It doesn’t matter how pedestrian the dialogue, they have to put it to music: “Pass the salt”, “Hang on I gotta take a leak”, etc. All put to song. My sister-in-law cried throughout the whole movie. I cried tears of blissful joy when Russell Crowe threw himself off a bridge at the end because it meant he’d finally stop singing. BUT EVEN THAT DIDN’T STOP HIM. All the dead people had to come back before the credits for one last encore. By the way, Crowe, you’re the guy who played the gladiator but now you will live in infamy as the most awkward casting decision in Hollywood history. You reminded me of someone’s dad who was tossed into the school play at the last minute after his son came down with laryngitis on opening night.

But let’s talk about the “big” musical numbers. You don’t need to buy the soundtrack. I’ll sum up every song in the movie. Here you go: “I’m so lonely, I’m so alone, look at me my life is hard, I’m alone, I’m on my own, there’s this empty chair here, it’s empty because I’m alone, I’m lonely, all this bad stuff has happened to me because of my inexcusably stupid life choices, I’m alone, I feel so alone, on my own, on my own, on my own, did I mention I’m on my oooooowwwwwn?”

Not a dry eye in the house after we heard that one. For the 40th time.

Vapid, shallow, predictable, self indulgent and emotionally manipulative. “BUT IT’S A CLASSIC!” No. No it’s not. Who cares if the play has been around for a while? Malaria has been around for a while. Just because something is old doesn’t make it a “classic”.

And I haven’t even mentioned the fact that half the characters in this flick– which is set in France — have an inexplicable limey British chimney sweep accent. That would make sense for Mary Poppins but not this. Incidentally THAT’S a musical I’d sooner watch 5 times in a row before being subjected to another 3 minutes of Les Miserables.

Then, two thirds of the way through the movie, we get the obligatory tragic love story. Here’s how it goes: a young French revolutionary spots a blonde chick across the street. The two lock eyes and literally THAT NIGHT the dumb desperate loser is singing about how he’d “die for her”. Really? And I’m supposed to become psychologically invested in a plot device that has just reduced the beauty, joy, pain and sacrifice of romantic love to something you can catch like a cold or fall into like a puddle? I know Hollywood has been peddling that nonsense for ages but this was simply too much to cope with.

To make matters worse we’re all supposed to be super impressed because the songs (and by “songs” I mean “every single word uttered during the course of the entire picture”) are performed live instead of being recorded in a studio and dubbed into the film. “GEE WOW I’M SO ENAMORED WITH YOUR ARTISTIC INTEGRITY”. Is that the reaction I’m supposed to have? I don’t know because my initial reaction was something like “Man, this sounds awful”. Instead of lip syncing pre-recorded songs, the actors sputtered out of key while choking back tears and gasping for breath. It was like listening to someone sing karaoke while being chased by a swarm of African killer bees. Coincidentally, that is the actual premise of a reality show on TruTV. Except that show likely has more depth and intelligence. I don’t care if the “let’s do it live” move was “revolutionary”. Not all revolutions are good. Just ask France.

I could go on. But I won’t. I hated Les Miserables with a violent passion. Let’s leave it at that.

And at this: my wife now has to watch four mob movies, three war movies and two History Channel documentaries with me.

That’s the exchange rate.

Sorry, honey, I don’t make the rules. But I will enforce them.

Red Brooklyn 01-20-2013 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9333903)
Last night I went to a showing of Les Miserables. And when I say “went to” I mean “hogtied and dragged at gun point by my wife, her sister and her mom”. By the looks of many of the other men in that crowded overheated theater, I was not the only hostage victim in attendance.

Didn't have to read past this point.


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