So could somebody please assure me that this switch doesn't mean we'll waste the #1 overall pick on somebody for the 4-3?

We're taking Geno, right? We're taking a QB?

Please say yes.

I would HATE this ugh.

I don't mind the move to the 4-3, in fact I welcome it. But hiring a 73 year old man who has run the Cover 2 predominantly?

I see people talking about a Seattle blueprint, but do you guys really expect a 73 year old to adapt and change the core principles of his defense?

Hope I'm wrong.

In reality Poe may be a perfect fit for the SDE spot.

RUSH who do you think taught Carroll the 4-3 under... It was that old geezer Kiffin. He was the master of the under before he developed the Tampa 2.

I would. He's not going to garner much interest on the market, particularly if we cut him.

Was he a DT at LSU?

Something like this?

Poe - Powe - Dorsey - Hali?

Houston - ??? - DJ?

Looking for a guy that can eat space and split double teams. Basically a better version of Tyson Jackson...

Houston and Hali both at DEs isn't an option. They'll get eaten alive against the run.

If Jackson is a backup in the 3-4, he's a backup in the 4-3 under.

Well, the reports are the he has already abandoned the Cover 2 and has been running the 4-3 under since Tennessee.

If that's the case, he changed his core principles a few years ago already.

In the under Houston is the SLB which basically a 3-4 OLB.

Don't waste your time explaining. Clay doesn't understand football. He just uses ratings by some website and then makes outlandish claims without any justification or reasoning to back it up. Him thinking Hali/Houston are better fit or won't perform any worse in the 4-3 than in a 3-4 should be all you need to know.

Well, that's good to know. Cut his ass.

Your silence is scaring me, guys.

I'd like to think that with Reid and Dorsey coming in....that they're going to see the absolute need to draft a QB at this point.

I'd also like to think that Reid sees a smarter, more accurate Donovan McNabb in Geno Smith.

But not knowing what defense they're going to run......scares the shit out of me when it comes to the draft.

Demontre Moore is worth the #1 pick. If we had done something like drafted Ryan Tannehill last year, I would be perfectly satisfied to take Moore, who seems to fit the 4-3 under like a gem at a DE position that we have real apparent need for.

But that's not what we have. We have no QB, and there's a franchise guy sitting right there.

Exactly. Manny Lawson is an outside LB in Cincinatti, for example.

This is much less about Tyson Jackson and much more about making sure you understand the 4-3 under defense.

It's pretty obvious at this point that you need to study up.

Dont like that move at all. Taking the strongest part of the defense and depleting it. Hali always got his shit pushed in against the run and youll have 2 unknowns at defensive tackle plus who will be the other d end? **** that.

:rolleyes:

I know what the 4-3 under is. I only wrote an entire article about it 4 years ago.

http://kan.scout.com/2/866494.html

Moore would likely be a SLB IMO in this system and we already have Houston.

Unless we are planning to take a MLB or CB with the #1 pick, it won't be defense. More than likely QB or LT if Joeckel comes out.

If they bring in the 4-3 under, they're actually leveraging the strongest part of the defense.

Again, the 4-3 under would be a way to run the 4-3 with our existing personnel and not have to shoehorn the defense.

I will say this. A 1-gap 4-3 under is INFINITELY better than the 2-gap SHIT we've seen the last couple of years, 3-4 or not.

Then why act completely oblivious?

To be a douche?

I wasn't a douche. I was simply responding to your horrible post.

Horrid idea.

Jackson playing the 5T in a 2-gap 3-4 is a horrid idea. Why? Because he ****ing sucks.

You took that completely out of context. If he can be a backup 5T, he can be a backup DE in the 4-3 under.

Doesn't make him suck any more or any less.

So yeah, you're being a douche.

He is gone. No way he is here with a 17 mil cap hit.

Kiffin should retire. This would be a horrible move...

Sorry, dude. Your post sounded like you were arguing he should remain starter.

I wouldn't be surprised if they renegotiate him.

He certainly won't be here under his existing contract, that is true.

Um, no. Not me. :D

I'm confident we won't take Joeckel, since Reid really likes Albert and Albert really likes KC.

Good. QB it is, then.

yes

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LMAO thats a fair enough point.

Remember Tyson Jackson played in the 4-3 at LSU.

I think a QB in the first 2 rounds is guaranteed to happen, but may not be the top overall.

Then it's a waste.

I'll be so ****ing pissed if all we can get out of this draft is Ryan ****ing Nassib.

Geno NEEDS to accept his invite to the Senior Bowl.

Think we'd go Jarvis Jones if we make the switch to whatever 43 system we decide on...?

No.

No

Denied.

Reid already opened that door during his press conference by stating the Chiefs might get the quarterback NEXT YEAR.

Tried to send you a PM... How are you?

No

If he wants to be the 1st pick in the draft he needs to go and grab the brass ring.

the QBs in this years dfraft are ify too me ....

Dom Capers...

If he's being advised that he's already the 1st pick in the draft, he'd be downright stupid to play.

I hope he is.

For everyone that said no on Jarvis Jones....thank you.

Hopefully Andy Reid sees Geno as his new McNabb and snatches him.

Yeah but is he?

Is he not?

Barkley isn't playing either. Most of that is due to his shoulder injury I'm sure but I'm sure he is still in conversation as well.

Dom Capers?...:hmmm:

I was not sure where to post this. My Fiance just sent me a text message that said "I just met a guy named Tommy Brasher, and he said he is moving to Kansas City to be an Offensive Coach."

Considering he has been an Defensive Line coach his whole career, she probably got the offensive part wrong, but this might be our new Defensive Line coach.


EDIT: The reason she was talking to him required her to confirm his ID. I can't really say anything more than that. (It wasn't exactly legal for her to tell me this)

We don't know.

Precisely my point.

I thought it was my pointLMAO

We're on 2 different sides of the SAME point. :D

Jesus, I hope not.

Nice, makes sense - was part of Reid during the 99-05 years in Philly... isnt he super old though?

Translation: if it's not going to be Geno Smith, I'm not interested.

If it's Kiffin, it's going to be Marinelli.

But I have a hard time believing they are hiring the line coach before the DC. Castillo is absolutely going to be the OLine caoch. Andy feels he owes it to him after how he was let go in Phi.

They may evaluate these QBs and not like a single one of them enough to give them the keys to the franchise.

I'm going to trust his QB evaluation. I may disagree about it, but I'll give him some time to prove me wrong.

This is just my speculation, but if he doesn't like any of them, may go with Vick on a 2 year deal and take someone next year.

Uh. No to Vick. I don't see that happening again.

What's the downside for a 1-2 year deal?

Team has a good line, team absolutely needs to build morale and win, and if you draft someone you have options if he's not ready.

I'm 100% pro drafting a QB, but there's going to need to be a vet option brought in here.

Oh I want a vet, but not Vick.

Best thing he had going for him, was his athleticism and ability to allude pressure. Now he's broken down and isn't the athlete, and he is just downright awful from the pocket.


I'd much rather bring in Hasselback or that type of guy.

This forum is all about Geno Smith as a Franchise QB. Yet every single article I read elsewhere says that this draft doesn't have a Franchise QB.

I got the feeling from Reid's statement that he was tempering the fan base because at this point in time, HE doesn't know if there's a Franchise QB in the THIS draft and he doesn't want everyone to be disappointed if he chooses another position or trades out.

Like you, I'll trust his QB evaluation.

Hasselbeck is just too old and too worn out.

That's just not true.

His line couldn't hold a pocket for him to save his life last year. That's not the case here. The guy isn't running a 4.3 anymore, but he's still plenty elusive.

Where are you getting Hasselbeck from? He's got a year left in Tennessee. Who else qualifies as a "Hasselbeck" type of guy?

We can't put stock in a single thing said in the presser today. Coach speak all the way.

This is what everyone should want. They should want an evaluation, and not some asshole coming in here with his mind already made up like the last GM who I won't even dignify with a name anymore.

Instead, there's going to be some on here who go all crazy if Geno Smith isn't the guy.

I want a QB in here too, but I also wanted new leadership first and foremost. I trust that new leadership can identify QBs since that's what a majority of them have done an incredible job with a majority of their careers.

Vick isn't a pocket passer, he can't read a defense, and isnt' accurate. He will miss games due to injury.


If you're bringing in a vet, that's not what you need. I'd rather have Jason Campbell or Matt Moore

I just don't see how he can sell bringing Michael Vick here. You would have to think he wants to rid of himself of the past few years in Philadelphia.

Neither Campbell or Moore are free agents.

I'll just agree to disagree with about Vick's ability to read a defense.

One thing not getting enough love for Reid is that he's a guy who has flipped mediocre talent for strong trades, not the one buying high on marginal talent.

Now that's going to be a refreshing change of pace in KC.

He may want to. It's just my speculation.

I think if he's cut loose, there's not a whole lot of options.

1-2 years of Vick is far better than trading for Alex Smith.

But answer me this: When is "Coach Speak" not Coach Speak? How can you be absolutely certain that he didn't mean what he said? That he was going to evaluate the position and NOT choose a QB, just to choose a QB and that he may choose a QB next year?

I'm sorry, but I have to leave open the possibility that he's telling the truth. I also believe it's possible that they pass on a QB at #1 overall.

Everything about this is refreshing.

If you told me 10 days ago that the Chiefs would get Andy Reid, fire Scott Pioli, and likely get John Dorsey, I would have offered you a handy.

Just read that Campbell and Moore are free agents, where did you see that they weren't?

And thats been the biggest knock on Vick everywhere he's been.