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Stad 12-23-2012 04:03 PM

It's a shame he had those couple bad games or his numbers would be even better.

aturnis 12-23-2012 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9236331)
CJ has never been as good as Charles. Never. He's a guy who depends on big runs to have decent YPC. Take his last game for instance. With his big run, he averaged I think 5.8 ypc. Take it away and you have 1.4 ypc.

With Charles, he averaged 10+ ypc today. And even without it, he'd still average 6.7 ypc.

CJ has never been able to do that. Charles can consistently run for 4-10 yards. CJ consistently runs for less than 2 yards and then breaks a 80 yarder to boost his ypc.

Agreed. The only real hole in JC's game is TD's.

Rausch 12-23-2012 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9236370)
Agreed. The only real hole in JC's game is TD's.

:spock:

Ace Gunner 12-23-2012 04:07 PM

and fumbles.

BigMeatballDave 12-23-2012 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9236370)
Agreed. The only real hole in JC's game is TD's.

How is that a hole in his game?

BigMeatballDave 12-23-2012 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9236379)
and fumbles.

Risk/reward

He has 3 rushes of 80+ yards for TDs this season.

I'll take that with a few fumbles.

Hootie 12-23-2012 04:10 PM

I would say he has some ball security issues...

he was always more of a power back than Thomas Jones...the fact TJ was our short yardage/goalline back was always maddening to me.

Shit...I'd say he's a better goal line back than Hillis, too...being 240 lbs and running right into 350 lb lineman isn't effective goal line running...Charles has vision where he can score from 80 or 3 where guys like Hillis can't

BigMeatballDave 12-23-2012 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by stadw0n306 (Post 9236368)
It's a shame he had those couple bad games or his numbers would be even better.

For some reason, Daboll doesn't like to run him vs Oakland.

Only 15 carries for both games.

BigMeatballDave 12-23-2012 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks (Post 9236388)
I would say he has some ball security issues...

No more than Peterson.

Hootie 12-23-2012 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9236409)
No more than Peterson.

I'm not complaining.

I'd say if he had one flaw that's probably it...and other than the very beginning of the year he seemed to have pretty much solved it.

Easy 6 12-23-2012 05:14 PM

For the love of God, just sit this guy.

I will murder kittens if he gets badly injured next week.

ShowtimeSBMVP 12-23-2012 05:14 PM

Bill Williamson ‏@espn_afcwest

#Chiefs Congrats to Jamaal Charles for becoming NFL all-time average per carry record holder. Previous record holder was Jim Brown,

AussieChiefsFan 12-23-2012 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9236503)
Bill Williamson ‏@espn_afcwest

#Chiefs Congrats to Jamaal Charles for becoming NFL all-time average per carry record holder. Previous record holder was Jim Brown,

It's a shame they didnt mention it during the game.

Imagine JC with a real QB

Hammock Parties 12-23-2012 05:18 PM

Jamaal is so young, you wonder if he can keep it up though.

Would be awesome for him to retire with the record.

BossChief 12-23-2012 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks (Post 9236358)
ok I disagree

CJ was a much hungrier runner his first two years in the league...

Now he goes down too easily and shies away from contact. CJ is a guy they should compliment with someone else these days. I also don't really understand why their coordinator no longer sets up screens for him or uses him as a receiver but whatever.

But yeah...CJ and JC used to run a lot alike.

With that contract, as a running back, can you blame him?

One of the dumbest deals in recent history and why gms never want to offer those deals anymore.

BossChief 12-23-2012 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9236514)
Jamaal is so young, you wonder if he can keep it up though.

Would be awesome for him to retire with the record.

I bet he goes over 2,000 next year while averaging over 6ypc if we draft Geno. The playcaller will want to lean on the running game.

Bump 12-23-2012 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9236586)
I bet he goes over 2,000 next year while averaging over 6ypc if we draft Geno. The playcaller will want to lean on the running game.

ya, JC with Geno will be awesome.

aturnis 12-23-2012 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9236381)
How is that a hole in his game

Most top runningbacks average more TD's a year for their careers than Jamaal has had in his best season. He'll, quite a lot will have more in a season than he's had in his entire career.

Where and Adrian Peterson or Arien Foster scores every 22-23 carries, Charles is more like every 45.

I don't think it's his fault, more how he's used. Multiple coaches, and none of them use him on goal line.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-23-2012 07:33 PM

One of the best to ever play the position in this league.

Hootie 12-23-2012 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9236586)
I bet he goes over 2,000 next year while averaging over 6ypc if we draft Geno. The playcaller will want to lean on the running game.

You are a homer...i like you, but you're a homer lol

Hammock Parties 12-23-2012 07:36 PM

:hail:

http://i.imgur.com/8JsRm.gif

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9198530)
awww yisssssssssss


http://i.imgur.com/Ahunr.gif


ThaVirus 12-23-2012 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9236398)
For some reason, Daboll doesn't like to run him vs Oakland.

Only 15 carries for both games.

Oakland's defensive line man-handles our offensive line. There are never any holes when we play them.

Even back in the LJ days it was kind of similar. LJ would usually go over a hundred, but he'd average far less per carry than normal.

Hammock Parties 12-23-2012 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9236959)
I don't think it's his fault, more how he's used. Multiple coaches, and none of them use him on goal line.

Mostly it's because he's played in shitty offenses that don't get inside the 20 a lot.

And he's played with Bowe, who gets a lot of goal line TDs.

threebag 12-23-2012 07:39 PM

Thank You Jamaal Charles.

FringeNC 12-23-2012 07:42 PM

Yet despite another stellar season from JC, we are 2-13. Hate to say it, but what value is an elite RB when we have one of the best, and yet have the worst offense in the league? It's all about the QB.

AussieChiefsFan 12-23-2012 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks (Post 9236986)
You are a homer...i like you, but you're a homer lol

Its a realistic prediction
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9236990)

Looking very much forward to your 2012 Jamaal Charles highlight video!!

Hammock Parties 12-23-2012 07:44 PM

Charles passed Ed Podolak today.

Now 4th behind Priest, LJ and Okoye.

AussieChiefsFan 12-23-2012 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9237018)
Charles passed Ed Podolak today.

Now 4th behind Priest, LJ and Okoye.

Thought it'd be a fine time to add JC's accomplishment to the Wikihttp://i.imgur.com/WSOUk.png

threebag 12-23-2012 07:48 PM

**** LJ I wish they erase that prick from everything.

-King- 12-23-2012 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9237018)
Charles passed Ed Podolak today.

Now 4th behind Priest, LJ and Okoye.

How many yards before he passes Priest?

AussieChiefsFan 12-23-2012 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9237033)
How many yards before he passes Priest?

1587. At this pace he'll have it by the end of next season.

Austin Ed 12-23-2012 08:02 PM

Actually, Hillis and the OL's run blocking looked good today as well. DiMarco was throwing some really good blocks. If we only had a QBb

Hammock Parties 12-23-2012 08:28 PM

‏@Jacobs71

Charles has 3 TD runs of at least 80 yds this year, tied with CHRIS JOHNSON (2009 & 2012) & BARRY SANDERS (1997) for the most in a season.

AussieChiefsFan 12-23-2012 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9237187)
‏@Jacobs71

Charles has 3 TD runs of at least 80 yds this year, tied with CHRIS JOHNSON (2009 & 2012) & BARRY SANDERS (1997) for the most in a season.

JC2K 2013

Mr_Tomahawk 12-23-2012 08:51 PM

Nick Jacobs ‏@Jacobs71
Charles and AP only two players in NFL History with multiple games they rushed for at least 200 yds, 10.0+ avg and a TD in career.

ThaVirus 12-23-2012 08:53 PM

This season really sucks for Chief's fans, but history is being made every damn week it seems..

EDIT: A lot of great individual efforts being made.

AussieChiefsFan 12-23-2012 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9237287)
Nick Jacobs ‏@Jacobs71
Charles and AP only two players in NFL History with multiple games they rushed for at least 200 yds, 10.0+ avg and a TD in career.

:clap:

Hootie 12-23-2012 09:53 PM

with AP and Charles being the two most feared, most explosive backs in 2012...I wonder if teams are just going to start tearing their stud RB's ACL after the season is over in hopes they come back and go full beast mode like these two the following year

...

???

AussieChiefsFan 12-23-2012 09:54 PM

^LMAO

Hootie 12-23-2012 09:55 PM

it'll be the new sports trend in baseball and football

draft a stud RB, immediately tear both of his ACLs

draft a stud pitcher...immediately tear his UCL and rebuild it via Tommy John

BOOM

Just get it out of the way!

chefsos 12-23-2012 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks (Post 9237471)
with AP and Charles being the two most feared, most explosive backs in 2012...I wonder if teams are just going to start tearing their stud RB's ACL after the season is over in hopes they come back and go full beast mode like these two the following year

...

???

It's the Tommy John surgery of the NFL. Guys don't just return somewhat diminished after it's done any more, they come back BETTER.

Bust that knee!

EDIT: Shit, way ahead of me!

Rain Man 12-24-2012 01:06 PM

I'm relieved to say that Jamaal's season average is now back above 5.0, and has actually leapt to 5.4. It's still well below his career average, but higher than the career average of EVERY OTHER RUNNING BACK WHO HAS EVER PLAYED IN THE NFL.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-24-2012 01:09 PM

But, but, but he's Tatum Bell/Slappy

Ceej 12-24-2012 01:10 PM

I'd **** him.

NTTAWWT.

Rain Man 12-24-2012 01:19 PM

The history of 1,000 yard rushers with the Chiefs:

Code:

Rank  Player    Year  Rushes  Yards  TDs  Average
1        Larry Johnson        2006        416        1789        17        4.3
2        Larry Johnson        2005  336        1750        20        5.2
3        Priest Holmes        2002  313        1615        21        5.2
4        Priest Holmes        2001  327        1555        8        4.8       
5        Christian Okoye        1989  370        1480        12        4.0
6        Jamaal Charles        2010        230        1467        5        6.4
7        Jamaal Charles        2012        271        1456        5        5.4 (with one game to go)
8        Priest Holmes        2003 320        1420        27        4.4       
9        Joe Delaney        1981 234        1121        3        4.8
10        Jamaal Charles        2009        190        1120        7        5.9       
11        Mike Garrett        1967  236        1087        9        4.6
12        Tony Reed                1978        206        1053        5        5.1
13        Abner Haynes        1962 221        1049        13        4.7
14        Christian Okoye        1991 225        1031        9        4.6
15        Barry Word                1990        204        1015        4        5.0

I must say, I'm pretty impressed with Tony Reed averaging 5.1 ypc in 1978. Those teams were terrible. And then it puts Jamaal's performance this year into perspective.

Deberg_1990 12-24-2012 01:21 PM

Jamaal Charles > Jim Brown?
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Rain Man 12-24-2012 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9238844)
Jamaal Charles > Jim Brown?
Posted via Mobile Device

It's starting to become a legitimate debate.

For the time being, I think Brown still wins it. He played 9 seasons while Charles only has 5 under his belt so far, and Brown was used more heavily. He has more than triple the number of rushes while playing in less than twice as many games, and also played in an era where defenses were more geared against the rush and blocking rules were more strict. (I think you could also tackle a guy by the face mask in those days.)

However, let's revisit this in three more seasons. Charles is quietly putting together one of the finest NFL careers ever. His yards per carry is so much better than anyone else's that it's almost unbelievable.

Saccopoo 12-24-2012 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9238857)
It's starting to become a legitimate debate.

For the time being, I think Brown still wins it. He played 9 seasons while Charles only has 5 under his belt so far, and Brown was used more heavily. He has more than triple the number of rushes while playing in less than twice as many games, and also played in an era where defenses were more geared against the rush and blocking rules were more strict. (I think you could also tackle a guy by the face mask in those days.)

However, let's revisit this in three more seasons. Charles is quietly putting together one of the finest NFL careers ever. His yards per carry is so much better than anyone else's that it's almost unbelievable.

Wait until he's sharing a backfield with Geno...

A guy to keep defenses honest and safeties out of the box is all Charles needs to bust Dickerson's record wide open.

Rain Man 12-24-2012 01:51 PM

So if we need something to root for, 100 yards will give Jamaal the 4th-highest single-season rushing yards in team history, and 160 will get him up to 3rd. He needs 334 yards in to move into the #1 spot, though Larry Johnson had 145 more carries.

TribalElder 12-24-2012 01:54 PM

He better win the FedEx ground player award this week or that shit is fixed

FEDEX GROUND -- RUNNING BACK NOMINEES

Jamaal Charles, Kansas City ChiefsCharles gained 226 yards on 22 carries averaging 10.3 yards per carry and one touchdown in the Chiefs' 20-13 loss to the Indianapolis Colts.

Ray Rice, Baltimore RavensRice rushed for 107 yards on 24 carries in the Ravens' 33-14 win over the New York Giants.

C.J. Spiller, Buffalo BillsSpiller tallied 138 yards on 22 carries in the Bills' 24-10 loss to the Miami Dolphins.

Jamaal had 200+ yards on 22 carries. LMAO! how could he not win

Jamaal for President

ROYC75 12-24-2012 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9238874)
Wait until he's sharing a backfield with Geno...

A guy to keep defenses honest and safeties out of the box is all Charles needs to bust Dickerson's record wide open.

No kidding, get a couple of speedy WR's that can catch the ball with a good TE & a possession WR, Charles can pick his traffic lanes to fly on.:eek::drool:

Reaper16 12-24-2012 02:02 PM

Fun fact: Jamaal is in sole possession of 2nd place all-time in runs of 80+ yards. He's got 4, no one else has more than 3 except for Chris Jonson's 6.

Chiefaholic 12-24-2012 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 9237012)
Yet despite another stellar season from JC, we are 2-13. Hate to say it, but what value is an elite RB when we have one of the best, and yet have the worst offense in the league? It's all about the QB.

One w/o the other is virtually worthless. If the opposing defense knows what you're going to do pre-snap, you'll fail more often than not. YES, a premier QB is more important than a premier HB. However, w/o balance to the offense, defenses with key to your strength and force you to beat them with your weakness (aka limiting Charles and forcing Casshole / Quinn to beat you).

If this current offense had a legitimate QB and possibly another receiving threat opposite Bowe, they'd be damn near impossible to stop.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-24-2012 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 9238895)
He better win the FedEx ground player award this week or that shit is fixed

FEDEX GROUND -- RUNNING BACK NOMINEES

Jamaal Charles, Kansas City ChiefsCharles gained 226 yards on 22 carries averaging 10.3 yards per carry and one touchdown in the Chiefs' 20-13 loss to the Indianapolis Colts.

Ray Rice, Baltimore RavensRice rushed for 107 yards on 24 carries in the Ravens' 33-14 win over the New York Giants.

C.J. Spiller, Buffalo BillsSpiller tallied 138 yards on 22 carries in the Bills' 24-10 loss to the Miami Dolphins.

Jamaal had 200+ yards on 22 carries. LMAO! how could he not win

Jamaal for President

No way man!! Should go to Knowshon for running for 3.5 YPC against a 6 man box and safeties 20 yards off the ball.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-24-2012 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9238913)
Fun fact: Jamaal is in sole possession of 2nd place all-time in runs of 80+ yards. He's got 4, no one else has more than 3 except for Chris Jonson's 6.

More than Barry? That's crazy.

Imon Yourside 12-24-2012 06:41 PM

Nothing but Love For Jamaal, best back in KC history....Now Let's gus a QB next year...and scare the crap out of everyone we face.

Chiefaholic 12-24-2012 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 9239298)
Nothing but Love For Jamaal, best back in KC history....Now Let's gus a QB next year...and scare the crap out of everyone we face.

Put 8 in the box to stop Jamaal, and Geno will light up the secondary. Play a dime package to slow down the passing attack, then Jamaal will rip you to shreds 5-6 yards at a time. Pick your poison.

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-24-2012 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9238913)
Fun fact: Jamaal is in sole possession of 2nd place all-time in runs of 80+ yards. He's got 4, no one else has more than 3 except for Chris Jonson's 6.

3 of those are this year too.

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-24-2012 09:05 PM

I'd like to see some stats of how many yards he's lost due to holding penalties. I can think of 3 good runs called back , 50, 30 and 30 I,m thinkin.

Three7s 12-24-2012 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9236990)

Lol, look at Baldwin barely keeping up.

Hootie 12-24-2012 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 9239485)
Lol, look at Baldwin barely keeping up.

he did a pretty good job on that play...didn't deliver a block or anything but he kept the defender from making a play

Thig Lyfe 12-24-2012 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 9237012)
Yet despite another stellar season from JC, we are 2-13. Hate to say it, but what value is an elite RB when we have one of the best, and yet have the worst offense in the league? It's all about the QB.

tru dat

ROYC75 12-25-2012 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 9239463)
I'd like to see some stats of how many yards he's lost due to holding penalties. I can think of 3 good runs called back , 50, 30 and 30 I,m thinkin.

This and at times some horrible blocking resulting in some big losses. Bet he should have an additional 200 yards from all the negative gains and holding calls.

Thig Lyfe 12-25-2012 12:16 AM

JAMAAL CHARLES IS THE ONLY JC I WORSHIP

Pasta Little Brioni 12-25-2012 12:28 AM

Well, when we do finally get a QB....it's even more JC rape. Hell, a slapdick like Slowshon can only muster 3 and a half yards a carry against a 6 man front with safeties 20 yards off the ball. Ridiculous how good Charles is when the D only focuses on him.

WhiteWhale 12-25-2012 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by chefsos (Post 9198675)
His running style is really unlike anyone I can think of. Sometimes it looks like his legs are going one way and for a moment, his upper body is going the other. I am reminded of Marcus Allen though, due to the way he can, as you said, kind of slink his way past heavy contact.

I think he runs just like Marcus Allen, with the big difference being he's much faster.

JC runs tall, has very long strides, amazing field vision, and tends to almost always fall forward for an extra yard. That's why I say that. Marcus did all of those things, but he couldn't fly like JC can.

OnTheWarpath15 12-25-2012 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks (Post 9239570)
he did a pretty good job on that play...didn't deliver a block or anything but he kept the defender from making a play

Yep.

You don't have to lay a guy out to be successful.

SAUTO 12-25-2012 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9240255)
Yep.

You don't have to lay a guy out to be successful.

For sure. I thought he looked fast too.
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Easy 6 12-25-2012 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 9240130)
I think he runs just like Marcus Allen, with the big difference being he's much faster.

JC runs tall, has very long strides, amazing field vision, and tends to almost always fall forward for an extra yard. That's why I say that. Marcus did all of those things, but he couldn't fly like JC can.

:hmmm: i do believe you're onto something there.

Demonpenz 12-25-2012 01:58 PM

JC seems to do well because people are all in the box and he can break off big runs. I don't know about him getting tackled 30 times after 6 yards a play.

ThaVirus 12-25-2012 04:12 PM

I'm sure that's helped him on a couple of those 80+ yard carries, but how many times has he only gotten 1, 2 or even negative yards because of that?

Jamaal Charles doesn't rely on huge runs to boost his average and never has. His 2010 season was a perfect indicator of that; the guy was consistently breaking off 6-10 yards a rush. I'd have to check the game logs but I don't think he had any more than a handful of 40+ yard runs that season..

BigMeatballDave 12-25-2012 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 9240657)
I'm sure that's helped him on a couple of those 80+ yard carries, but how many times has he only gotten 1, 2 or even negative yards because of that?

Jamaal Charles doesn't rely on huge runs to boost his average and never has. His 2010 season was a perfect indicator of that; the guy was consistently breaking off 6-10 yards a rush. I'd have to check the game logs but I don't think he had any more than a handful of 40+ yard runs that season..

His longest run that season was 80 vs St. Louis.

-King- 12-26-2012 06:51 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-2RzWBCQAIZnTU.jpg

Easy 6 12-26-2012 06:58 PM

He needs to be a Chief for life, great story^

AussieChiefsFan 12-26-2012 10:42 PM

JC up for Ground player of the week

http://www.nfl.com/voting/players-ai...nd/2012/REG/16

GloryDayz 12-26-2012 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9242412)

Nice...

NJChiefsFan 12-26-2012 10:53 PM

That's awesome.

KurtCobain 12-27-2012 12:01 AM

That is really badass. Jamaal really is a fans' player.

themanwithnoname 12-27-2012 06:05 AM

That is awesome.

AussieChiefsFan 12-27-2012 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9242412)

Great player AND person


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