You wouldn't survive the first minute you're the biggest pussy I've ever seen in my entire life.

This.


Guns/Ammo/Family and to the Farm to fend for ourselves.

Is that before or after your manicure you pussy LMAO

I am a mixture of grizzly adams and les stroud son, You would give up the first day your man panties got damp

Rape, loot, pillage...typical and assorted sundry stuff.

I'd head over to Ultra Peanut's and remember to bring some Cheetos and Oreo's.

Heh, I finished this a few months ago. Pretty realistic.

Lumpy and I would be ok.
She can shoot, I have plenty of ammo and I have the resources available to reload shotgun shells, handgun rounds and several different rifle rounds.
I own 4 compound bows, (well, one is Lumpy's) one crossbow that is deadly out to 55 and 50+ firearms.

I have a 30 day plan, 180 day plan and an extended (2+ years) plan.

I know excellent hunting grounds all over NE and my family owns property in the boonies where game is plentiful and we have excellent relationships with the landowners in the area.

^^^^^I'm going with him^^^^^^

Don't forget the Entenmann's, duder

I run up and down my street shouting Omaha Omaha

fyp - everybody knows Obama is amazing, and it's all Bush's fault.

Neither Romney or Obama can save you from this shit, it's every man for himself.

Pretty much this.
I'm going to go purchase a couple more guns next week. Why? Because after I saw your thread title I thought, "****... I need more guns ASAP."

More guns always make me feel better

I'm far more concerned about the biological effects of non ionizing electromagnetic radiation. Than procuring a meal or two

You must be assuming I'm waiting for all the big city folk to head this way before I bug out.

Central Montana is void of people to begin with. Plus, Montana is the 4th largest state with the third smallest population.

Also, the people around here are used to being without power for extended periods of time. Most are plenty self-sufficient for a few weeks. They aren't going to worry about my sorry ass.

We just drove a 45 mile stretch of Hwy 191 and only saw one car.

I need to start buying a box of ammo a week.

That device will be set off very high in the air... You think it will affect the surface?

I read 'One Second After' so I know that I would be F**ked so I would.

A. Slowly starve to death or die of thurst.

B. One of you A-holes would shot my ass and take all my stuff.

C. Down a bunch of prescription medicine and kill myself.

This does give a significant advantage...

From what I've read... If an EMP was going to be detonated, it would be done above the atmosphere in order to have a wider area of affect. Two or three would take out the eastern seaboard if placed correctly.

However, I see your point if it was detonated on the ground or a few thousand feet up. I don't think we'd worry too much since we'd probably be toast.

Buy 1 box of ammo every time you go in wally world

Another concern would be the EMP effecting the earths magnetic fields. It's been speculated that the axis and rotation might actually be affected.
That would cause some super cereal issues.

That speculation is pretty much false since the sun has released massive emp fields that would 100% present the situation the OP states. Depending on how massive the emp was would change how long the power would be out. Was the blast big enough to destroy the transformers or just shut them down?

Really? Debunked huh...
I thought that since the pulse is concentrated in an area instead of spread out (like a solar pulse) it would have a different effect on the planet. Maybe not...
Lets hope not, anyway since I see this as being the most likely doomsday scenario.

I agree that that is the most likely scenario. In the 1880's a pulse so large hit that electronics of the time period ran better and faster after the batteries were taken out. If that same pulse happened tomorrow they estimate that it would cost the U.S. over 17 trillion dollars in damages.

On a side note, geologists believe that the earths magnetic field will reverse its polarity and then we are truly screwed if that is the case.

Holy Shit.
I did not know that...

In the last solar storm cycle entire cities in Switzerland lost power for a couple of weeks.

The cycles are supposed to resume next year also. If a big one hits we lose most satellites, and all current operating power systems that aren't protected by a Faraday cage, note almost everything, will be lost. Transformers could literally melt from the excess electricity causing a cycle that could take a very very long time to get power back.

Of Course this would happen in a year that the Chiefs get:

The first pick in the draft.
A Superbowl proven GM who chooses the best coaches.
KC is chosen to host the Superbowl.

OMAHA! OMAHA!

Shit you couldn't waddle out to the car. I mean you're so fat you broke a rib on a bath tub. So you 54?

Link...

This smells like total BS

As a matter of fact there weren't battery powered things that were "electronic" in those days.

Read in in Popular Science, can't find the cost figure right now but the shortened online article is here

http://www.popsci.com/science/articl...ic-solar-storm

Will continue hunting

My bad it was 2 trillion, idk where 17 came from
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...event-science/

That figure actually sounds short to be honest. This would fry everything, not to mention all the 'bailouts' the govt. would have to do for Credit companies after they lost all their records or missed e-payments, etc.
Shit, the logistics would be incredible if they tried to repair everything that was lost. It would have to take two or three generations to recover.
Boggles the mind, it really does.

Would the US really try to completely recover?

Yep, and everything would be shielded to the max.

I wonder how many satellites would lose control and crash too. The amount of damage would be astronomical. It would be a long rebuild time, with enough warning the infrastructure needed to rebuild could be saved though.

And it wouldn't just be the U.S. either. It would have to be a truly global rebuild

emp is a localized effect. a nuke detonated over the midwest would cover a siable portion of the US, but wouldn't affect anything outside that area.

but it would render EVERYTHING electronic unusable - modern vehicles, phones, medical devices, toys, etc. we would truly be back to the 1800s, but without the society or skills to survive in that era. it would be a disaster of epic proportions - disease, starvation, murder.

Pretty scary stuff. I personally would get mirrors lots of mirrors and a crock pot

In that book, (One Second After) they were able to utilize older vehicles that were carbureted. I wonder how accurate that is...
I know that some things on e vehicle would likely malfunction with a huge powe surge...
Power windows, gauges, etc.
If the EMP were a level "E1" I'd think that even older ignition systems would fry.


Here's a little tidbit my dad told me about that happened in the 80's (he was a VIP in the USAF)...

They captured and reverse-engineered a soviet jet and they were astonished to find out that the son bitch had no modern electronics whatsoever. The damn thing still ran on glass tubes and transistors. It took them a while to figure out why, I guess. Those crafty commies.

I soviet Russia, plane flies you!

soviet aircraft have always been engineered that way because of maintenance constraints and skills. they also engineer them so they will run on jet fuel or kerosene, that way they have options for remote locations or when J8 supplies are exhausted. The fact of the matter is that the soviets and other eastern bloc countries may have thousands of aircraft in the inventory, but at any given time only a few hundred are operational because of the lack of parts, poor maintenance, and the like.

In your scenario, I'm not worried.

If you'd asked what we'd do if the Yellowstone Coldara blew, I'd tell you that I'll have the distinction of being disintigrated 7 seconds before Bwana.

Just how much "shielding" would it take to stop a large EMP? Should it be metal, or would concrete work? Do submerged electronics survive?

To the googlecave!!

Its a good thing we have the Raider fan here to educate us on what EMP stands for

Wikipedia educated you Son, I just copy and pasted it.

I would say an ATV would be a very important piece of equipment if you could make it run after the EMP

I've heard you can line the interior of your electronic devices with aluminum foil to protect against EMPs. Not sure if that's true..

To your scenario, I'd be ****ed. I feel most people would be OK for the first few weeks but shit would get crazy once food got scarce. I live in a large metro area so I'd have to get out immediately, but seeing as how I don't have any family in the countryside I'd have to try to bunker down in the woods. I have no survival abilities as far as I'm aware so I'd die probably a few months in..

That would certainly help, despite being a good way to burn your house down.. It's much more effective to wrap the outside of the device instead. The problem is that EMPs are very very unpredictable, and it's really hard to say what would happen in any given situation. If you wrapped a device in foil, but didn't actually ground it correctly, it could instead act as an antenna and attract the electromagnetic wave.

Your microwave is essentially a reverse faraday cage. So in a pinch, throw your shit in the microwave, and wrap the microwave in foil for good measure.

There's lots of materials that serve the same purpose.

http://www.lessemf.com/fabric.html

I have an older ATV that's carbed instead of EFI. Its only 2-wheel drive so I don't know if its worth packing. If the Polaris still ran it would definitely get loaded.

I knew I had a reason to keep all these.....

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1159/vacuumtube.jpg

I would be screwed. I live in a good area, but it is highly highly populated, and about 1 mile or so from my house there is section 8 housing. If this type of situation happened the street would be loaded with these morons stealing and looting whatever they could. I would give my wife the shotgun and I would take my handguns. Come to think of it, I currently only have 100 rounds or so total for my handguns, and maybe 30 shells for my shotgun. I never replenished my stock after a crazy 4th of July.

If I got out to my parents farm I would be fine. I would grab both go bags, my dogs, weapons and make for the woods. I would have at least a 2 day hike to my parents. Chances of me making it would be slim (far too populated area).

If I got out to my parents place I would be set. Neighbors are my really good friends, they have a home arsenal that would make most gun collectors ashamed. I have access at my parents to horses, chickens, pigs, cows and some other odds and ends. They also have a small natural spring and creek running through their property. "If" I made it there, we would be fine.

I am not a prepper, but self-sufficient/survialist is one of my hobbies. Once we buy our farm in the next year, I will be closer to living off the grid (somewhat). Once we have our place if the SHTF I will be fine. I do however need to buy more dry goods and a few more guns and a lot more ammo. If vehicles are rendered useless my horse is very capable, and I am an excellent rider.

This thread made me go buy more ammo for my rifle today. Another 880 rounds. Money I really didn't have. Thanks! lol

Here is my thinking on the prepping thing. A lot of people talk about preppers like they are loons and they spends thousands of dollars on this crap they will never use. I look at it this way, if something did happen, wouldn't you be glad you spent that money? I would rather have the stuff and not have to use it than not have the stuff and direly need it. I have said before, I am not a prepper by any means, but I do a lot of things preppers do. I mainly do it for when the power goes out. We have had 3 times in the last 2 years that our power has been out for almost two weeks (twice in the winter). None of those times did I have to go outside of my house for anything.

Personally, I love farming and gardening, I love raising livestock, prepping plays into my desire to be self sufficient. I want to be as non-reliant on external factors (economy, government, etc etc) as I can be. I can grow my own food and raise my own animals, I like relying on myself. If the S really did HTF, then I want to be fully capable of protecting what is mine.

Bullets and rifles will NEVER lose their value. They are worth it.


We started prepping about 4 years ago by buying a bulk of canned foods and other food that lasts a long time. We cycle the food out and buy new just like any other family would, but our stock is built up to large quanities.

Nothing has gone past date, but we have piece of mind.

canned food can go way way way past date, that date is only on there for the absolute best flavor.

Yes Sir. I have a growing family, so we easily eat it before it expires.


I did a little math when it comes to calories per dollar about a 6 months ago while waiting on finish to dry.


Oatmeal is BY FAR the cheapest per calorie, tastes good with just water,very compact, and it lasts a long time. We have a ton of it in our storage along with bugout and emergency bags stuffed full (when we visit the mountains).

Put on spiked shoulder pads, paint my face black, and try to look tough.

Take a big shit on Scott Pioli.

You are going to switch to being an Oakland fan?

Do nothing

Except mourn the loss of the NFL

Thought this was interesting, its a video of a bunch of preppers who have bunkers and underground houses.

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/-doomsday-p...o-.html?page=1

The "bus bunker" is impressive.

Those people seem well adjusted and balanced.