Yes, I can. It's a story about space stuff and muppets. Darker, sure, but still a kids movie.

I presume you meant Episode VI?

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Awh c'mon now, don't troll the fanbois!

The problem is that Lucas scrapped that idea after TPM.

Originally, it was supposed to show this sweet little kid and his eventual fall to the Dark Side in which he slaughtered billions of sentient life forms.

Later, he changed it to his dream of trying to save Padme from death. It ruined the whole narrative.

No.

The plot of Episode I wasn't horrible.

I'd just have Anakin be 16.

And eliminate fart jokes, Jar Jar and anything else silly that destroyed dramatic tension.

For ****'s sake, Jar Jar was doing slapstick during the climactic battle in Episode I.

That's like having Jek Porkins whip out a bucket of KFC during the attack on the Death Star.

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No.

I meant Episode V.

There are no ****ing muppets.

YODA DOESN'T COUNT.

Okay, so one kid movie in the I-III, right?

Yoda was a muppet.

Children were certainly part of the target group to be sure, but it was basically pure action adventure - at least the first one was. The second one was not really aimed at children at all. The third one had the teddy bear things, which was really the first true FOR THE KIDDIES/GIRLS aspect.

I don't know how old you are, but I remember when Star Wars came out. Everybody went nuts over it, not just little kids. I was 11, and had to practically be dragged to see it by one of my friends, just because I thought it would just be another stupid space movie.

The first movie was filled with kids. All of Anakin's little buddies.

It perfectly illustrates that the age of the characters has nothing to with how mature the storyline has to be.

It turned into an annoying kid turning into a whiny teen-ager.

The "love story" was incredibly hard to buy.

He was also a real, serious character with a legitimate role.

He wasn't ****ing Jar Jar.

I was a few years younger than that. Saw it in London.

I realize that the films appealed to those who weren't young, but I think the kids who watched the first ones when they came out got older during the interim and were naturally disappointed when they watched the new ones.

You didn't answer my question.

Really? Like when he steals Luke's rations and makes cute, little giggles?

Jar Jar is enough reason for a reboot.

Originally, he was going to show how Anakin's age, stubborness, undisciplined lifestyle would lead him down the path of the Dark Side. It was supposed to be a dark, slippery slope and more of a fable or morality tale.

Instead, due to all of the criticism of TPM, he later changed it to be about his love for Padme. It was ridiculous and I actually think that AOTC is worse than Return of the Hairy ****ing ****rags.

Or when he speaks of ancient platitudes in broken English?

This is the best possible news other than Disney buying Pioli and Cassel from us for a half eaten ewok dick and a pod racer.

FYP

It would have been cooler if part of Anakin's slide into the dark side was his obsession with Padme, who rebuffs him and wants nothing to do with him. Luke and Leia could have been a product of Vader forcing himself on her, forcing her to flee and hide. This would have also fit better with Leia's recollection of her mother (implying that she didn't die in childhood).

Well, at least his broken English isn't insulting to ethnic groups in America, much like the dumbass Trade Federation characters.

That was ridiculous.

What on earth makes you think that Lucasfilm is just six film prints of Star Wars?

I know. I despised the Jar Jar Binks character, and that was just one weak character in a line of them.

There are countless possibilities yet Lucas picked the one that doesn't make any sense and virtually negated everything about the character that many people loved.

:rolleyes:

Wait, what? Which ones?

He does that to throw Luke off and effectively evaluate him without him being aware. It made the character brilliant. You think it's jar jar binks, and then it's Shogan Toranaga.

I agree with this - but again, not because they're kid movies - it's because they're horrible.

You really should watch those Plinkett reviews - at least the review of Phantom Menace. The review is far better than the movie itself.

I just wanted to see Vader rip someones head off using only the force. Lucas didn't deliver, and I was disappoint.

I wanted to see him put his lightsaber through Jar Jar's ****ing head. :grr:

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"My rord, day are TWO jedi out dare! Now, I bling you hot and a-sour soup why you wait for NOODLE!"

Disney is the debil!!

There you go Donger. Enough troll food to make a nice lunch for yourself.

I see. And the, "Ahhhh! Cannot get your ship out!" line?

:evil:

Sorry, I still don't know which ethnic group(s) were insulted, even with the pictures.

Asians? Really?

I'm thinking it's the overtly "oriental" accents used...pickin on da Chinese peeps doncha know...

Maybe sophisticated was the wrong word but they are definitely more jaded when it comes to movies these days. Anyone around my age or older (48) probably remembers how scary Jaws was when it came out. My kids have watched it and barely flinched.

They both definitely liked the new Star Trek and Battlestar Gallactica more than the originals.

Go on youtube and watch the cutscenes from The Force Unleashed.

Vader is a huge, raging asshole in all of them and beating the **** out of everything and anything.

It had a point, though.

That was Yoda testing Luke.

It wasn't Yoda being cute just to be cute.

Asian and Latino groups were outraged at the ethnic stereotyping.

Personally, I thought they sounded like my Sicilian-born great grandfather but regardless, it was a very poor decision on the part of Lucas & Lucasfilm to voice those characters as such.

Thematically, it would have been way cooler if they didn't speak English (or "Basic", as its known in the Star Wars universe) and instead spoke some type of menacing language that needed subtitles.

And you know that Yoda was testing Luke how?

I no suhplized. Prease to bitch if you hanga dem wiss a numbah one new rope.

Did you watch the ****ing movie? LMAO

That's exactly what he was doing.

After Yoda reveals who he really is, he's a completely different friggin' character.

"I cannot teach him, the boy has no patience."

Christ almighty, Donger, you ****ing troll.

Yes I watched the movie (obviously).

I understand that you believe that he was testing him, but I don't agree. It was just a cute scene.

They should make a star wars theme park add-on to disney world.

Seriously?

Yes. How is Yoda acting cute testing Luke in anyway?

I like how you fullgrown fanz talk about it like it's real. LMAO

Of course they will. Disney doesn't acquire without a robust plan to market every piece of a property into oblivion.

Already explained. I think you completely missed the point of the scene.

He's totally testing his patience. He later says he's watched Luke for a long time and his mind was never focused, he was impatient, etc.

That's exactly what Yoda was testing during their initial encounter.

The sad part about this scene is that once again, Lucas negated it with the prequels. We were never shown Obi Wan as impatient or like Luke in any way, shape or form.

Oh, and then Yoda challenges Luke about his fear, which is something he abhors in the TPM.

Well, it's cool that you're OK with being wrong.

Okay, but I think it's more likely that Lucas was just showing a cute muppet. Unless of course you have some evidence that was Lucas' actual intention...

Certainly, and if you can prove I am, I'll accept it

There is nothing "cute" about the entirety of Empire Strikes Back. That was 100% Star Wars badassery.

What about some of han's lines? "Laugh it up, fuzz ball". Testing Chewy, I suppose...

LMAO

"A cute muppet" would have been those idiots in Return of the Muppets (ROTJ).

If you're not convinced, go to the library and check out The Making of Star Wars: The Definitive Story Behind the Original Film.

It's very interesting and details character evolution before and during the movie making process.

Except the cute Yoda part, yes.

No, Yoda was a cute muppet during that scene. He got darker of course.

I don't know if we're past this argument or not yet, but by today's standards, all 6 Star Wars movies should be considered kiddie movies.

Does this book prove that Yoda was testing Luke with his cuteness?

Read it and find out

No

Read this, dipshit.

http://scifi.stackexchange.com/quest...ane-on-dagobah

I'm sorry, you think that proves what?

Why not?

If I had answered "No", you'd have asked me to prove it.

If you're really interested, read the book.

And FWIW, I've never found Yoda to be "cute" in any way, shape or form.

He was a grizzled up green thing.

No, if you'd given a yes or no, I would have accepted your answer. You chose not to give one.

Even when he was fighting with R2 yelling " mine! Mine!"?

:facepalm:

How about the official Star Wars ****ing wikipedia entry?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wa...e_Strikes_Back

I agree with Donger on this part. That's just an answer made up by some fan.

Fine. No, he wasn't meant to be "cute".

In early drafts, IIRC, his name was Mensch, then Yoda Mensch. They finally dropped it to just Yoda but he was described as being more "frog-like" in the early drafts.

I'm sure that if the technology would have been available at the time, he would have been a CGI character, as he was in AOTC and ROTS (and later, TPM).