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Chiefs defense this year. What do you expect?
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Where did I say 12 or 13 wins? Where the hell did I even say this team was going to break .500? Do you not have the ability to understand that "7-9, at best" is my most optimistic projection for this team. JFC, ****ing moron. |
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Things change. |
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I am talking about not only making the playoffs (which I don't believe we will do with Matt Cassel this year), but actually advancing and competing for a SB. |
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You don't get blown out 2 weeks in a row by 43 and 48 points and put up just 10 points with the same team you think has the talent to compete with any team in the NFL this year The math doesn't add up You didnt make that much of an improvement that would convince me a betting man to lay my coin on the Chiefs anytime soon |
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The biggest difference isn't the talent on the field when it comes to competing this year. It's the preparation, as I already explained to your dumb ass. But the period at the end of this sentence is the last keystroke I'm wasting on your useless dumb ass. |
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For this season, I think there are just too many good teams and tough games for the Cheifs to win more than 7 games and win the division. I think with the way the defense evolved over the course of the season last year, and with Charles and Hillis on offense, this team will be able to play tough and stay in games. But there are going to be more than a couple of games that we lose late, because we have Cassel, and our opponents don't. |
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You keep clicking those heels together Dorothy- You'll get back to Kansas someday Explain to me one more time how the signing of Standford Routt has taken a average team to now a SB contender next year |
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Brian Daboll is the new OC for the Chiefs Strong resume bro In 2009 as OC forthe Browns they finished DEAD LAST, not 31st or even 30th.. but 32 offensively In 2010 the Browns finished 29th in the NFL in offense After being nuthooked by the Browns he goes on to OC the Dolphins finishing the year ranked 22nd.. worse than the prior year before he arrived.. The Dolphins seen enough of him they sh*t canned him after just one year Strong resume Milkman Is that the "preparations" of the football team you were speaking about or did I miss something? |
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Eric Winston? He's a RT fer cripes sake... I think one thing you're overlooking is the retirement of Casey Weigman The Chiefs plan on playing a guard at Center thats NEVER had any experience taking a snap in the NFL That combined with Daboll as OC Yeah.. good luck there Man do you know what DT's are gonna do to Rodney Hudson? I do agree with the staff that his best position is Center because he's not big enough to play guard in the NFL.. he'll be able to move in more space as a center so it was the right call He might very well develop nicely into a center.. but he wont do it in one year.... if he played center in college maybe.. it's gonna take him 2-3 years before he fully grasps that position On the other hand- He's raw, inexperienced and never played center in the NFL nor college.. Asking him to read out defenses etc with no prior experince? Yeah- good luck with that |
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Hudson is inexperienced, but he's far from raw. Not even close. The book is not yet written on Hudson, but any football fan with a modicum of intelligence would look at the guy and see a very successful starting center in the NFL one of these days. I'm FAR more worried about what pro bowl DTs are going to do to Ryan Lilja than I am worried about how Hudson will fare against them. |
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Andrew Luck is an inexperienced QB. He is not a raw QB. Tyler Thigpen is an experienced QB. He IS, however, a raw QB. See? Even a reerun like you can understand this comically simple concept. |
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Raw means something that's "unprocessed" or "NOT FINISHED" Inexperienced means being "new" to something or lacking knowledge of something or not "experienced" in something Sorta like you... You're inexperienced in reading in that you don't understand what certain words mean Hudson is "Raw" because he's not a finish project yet at the Center position, he's unprocessed and he's in the embryo stage of his center career Hudson is also Inexperienced" because he's "new" to the Center position Hudson is both Raw and Inexperienced We on the same page here Sparkles? |
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Teams don't progress from 2-4-8-12 wins over the seasons to build a SB caliber squad. They also don't exhibit linear progression of smaller and smaller margins of loss or larger and larger margins of victory. Much more often, they go from puzzling and disheartening yo-yos of close losses and blowout losses to regular wins when everything 'clicks.' The closest analogy I've come to over the years is tuning an automobile engine. You have the timing 3-5 degrees out of whack or the fuel mix 3-5% off and even a supercar engine will perform like a 4-banger out of a Yugo or Festiva. But when you dial everything in, power can come on like gangbusters with just the finest of tweaks. |
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However, this isn't Merriam-Webster. This is football. SNR is correct, IMO. |
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It's rare and it's happened, but when you go back and look at all the teams that have played in the SB or the conference championship games, you'll see teams that have prior experience in the playoffs.. i.e the Bucs of 2003.. The Raiders, before they won the AFC and went to the Super Bowl, they were in the playoffs a few times before winning games etc... If the Chiefs made the playoffs the last 2 years and won a couple games in the playoffs then you can make a strong case they have a "team that can compete" with most NFL teams It's a long process- it's a lot of work, 2-3 years of playoff appearances, disspointment in getting to 1 game of the AFCG etc.. I been there.. I know.. I'm not saying the Chiefs cant shock people and do the unthinkable and make a strong push.. what I'm telling you is... that it's very unlikely |
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I'm not a 'top flight QB, whatever the cost, is the ONLY road to the SB' guy. I think long timers here would attest to that. But that's at far remove from our present situation, where the skill of our starting QB is so much lower than the remainder of the team. I'd submit that the balance of our talent is such that a properly prepared QB as low on the the totem at present as even a Brunell or McNabb could constitute a legit contender, let alone moving up to a Vick or Cutler level of totem-ity. That's how much I think the QB is holding us back. |
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Cassell doesn't play defense- and last year the Chiefs gave up 43 points and 48 points in back to back games That's not one of those.. "Everything just didn't go right this game" excuse.. this was two games back to back 37 points the Jets scored, 36 the Pats put on the board and even the Dolphins put up 30+ points Brandon Flowers just got worked in both games.. and I mean worked The Lions OL just abused the Chiefs DL To the Chiefs credit- they did seem to tighten things up towards the end of the season but how much of that was the poor offensive talent with the teams they faced? When the Chiefs faced top offenses, they struggled Had a good game vs Green Bay, give them credit there.. but they gotta start putting back to back good defensive games to be considered a team that can "compete with any team in the NFL" |
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Go fist your grandmother, reerun. Hudson's technique was perhaps the best out of all interior linemen coming out of the 2011 draft. That's not what I call raw. Bruce Campbell was a raw prospect. Dontari Poe is a raw prospect. Rodney Hudson is NOT a raw prospect. ****ing idiot. |
It won't be top ten because our offense(QB) offense will put the defense on the field and wear down.
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This chronic guy makes Reighters look like a football knowledge god.
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With Charles, Hillis, Breaston, Bowe, Baldwin, Boss, Moeaki and this offensive line, the Chiefs will be able to move the ball between the 20's with ease. It'll be up to Cassel and probably tons of playaction which will determine whether or not they score 6 or 3. And "winded"? The secondary is young. The linebackers, outside of DJ who's never had any energy issues, are young and hungry. Add in Powe, Poe, Jackson, Dorsey, Bailey, Torribio and Gordon and there should be no excuses of being "tired". What the **** happened to the people on this site? It's one thing to skeptical based on talent level and scheme, but this team is ****ing loaded with young talent. Romeo's schemes, even with dipshits like Piscatelli, kicked ass. Also, keep in mind that guys like Houston and Bailey kicked some ass without the benefit of learning the playbook until training camp because there was NO off season in 2011. |
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But what's with all the stupid ass noobs? |
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Clay has been beating the 7-9 drum. He said he will leave for a yr if they win 10. |
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This defense was built around the talents of Eric Berry last year. With the early losses of Moeaki and Charles (along with lessor talented players), the weak play of the offensive, etc., expecting the team to look anything like they did early last year is silly. Once Romeo took over, the team looked like a TEAM for the first time in years. The offseason additions should push this team further forward, especially if the ACL Team comes back even at 90%. Boss, Elam, Gray and Hillis are excellent insurance. This team won 7 games last year with Todd "The Hobo" Hailey and Tyler Palko at the helm. How anyone expects them to win less than 8 games, even with Cassel, is beyond me. This team is ****ing loaded (outside of QB). |
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And with a Flacco-like performance from Cassel, this team could win 12. |
We have a lot of unproven talent, and we have a difficult schedule and a bad QB.
Unless Romeo is some kind of genious, we're a 7-9/8-8/9-7 team. We'll win 10 if our opponents suffer a rash of QB injuries. |
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Are you going to tell me that Boss, Elam, Gray, Winston and Quinn aren't major upgrades over O'Connell, Pope, Battle, Richardson and Palko? And THAT team won seven games. And stop bitching about the schedule. Who gives a ****. Everyone has to suit up and play the game. I could ****ing punch Dick Vermeil in the ****ing **** for constantly complaining about the Chiefs schedule during his tenure, because now, every ****stick is afraid of the schedule. The schedule is irrelevant. |
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Miss him. |
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The defense, if healthy, will be beyond sick. |
Turnovers. I think this D is going get an extraordinary year for forcing turnovers. With the return of EB I think the D can take extra chances at jumping the ball & do more schemes to get to the QB.
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When it comes down to it, with our schedule, I don't think Cassel is good enough in close games to pull them out. And I have little faith in Romeo, either. We'll see about Daboll, but right now he just feels like another BS tree hire. The division is also a lot stronger and this team hasn't even been all that good in the division. If Jonathan Baldwin turns into some kind of freak, maybe that might make enough difference for us to get a 10th win, but he is a huge question mark. Week 1 will tell us a lot. We win, I might start to get nervous. :D PS - I don't even like our "easy" games against Tampa Bay and Carolina. I think we could lose both. |
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Otherwise, a full offseason with the rookies, Romeo and Daboll will go a long way. I'm not saying that Romeo is Hank Stram but he's the best coach since Marty. And yes, that includes that myopic old ****, Dick Vermeil. |
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You're absolutely 100% correct tho' In fact you're so right that I even agree with you that both the guard position and center position are entire identical,... same technique is used in both positions..That's why we see OC swing guards every sunday to center and centers to guards.. :banghead: Do the planet a favor and wear condoms so you don't contaminate the rest of us |
Get back in your cell Chimpionship
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Also, Dane, if you haven't been reading, I've been beating a dead horse in response to "we won seven games last year, we can win 10 this year!"
Dead horse says: we are unlikely to face Caleb Hanie, Kyle Boller, Curtis Painter, Tim Tebow and Donovan McNabb again. Instead we face a lot of pretty good quarterbacks. I'm penciling in a win @Cleveland and vs Indianapolis, though. WE GOT THAT DOWN! |
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Charles Hillis Moeaki Berry Boss Winston That's a lot of significant improvements. |
Our back 7 is outstanding. Berry, DJ, Tamba, and Flowers are top 10 at their positions.
I think the one player is going to blow shit up this year is Allen Bailey. I also think Poe is going to get some sacks this year. Romeo will line up Tamba directly next to him in a standing position to take off pressure. With Poe's speed and power, he'll get some sacks on passing plays. If those 2 play well, we're a top 10 defense easily. |
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If Cassel can extend drives and give the defense time to rest and make adjustments, while allowing Daboll to call a balanced attack, the defense has the talent to possibly crack the top 5.
If he can't, and is the same sack of crap 3nout maniac...the defense will end In the middle of the pack. Game 6 |
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NO ****ING SHIT Hudson isn't learning to play tackle, ****stick. The blocking technique is pretty much the exact same ****ing thing. The stuff that Hudson doesn't know and hasn't been exposed to can be chalked up to.... *drumroll please*.... INEXPERIENCE Get raped. |
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You cant give a guy a free pass or excuse if it takes him til WEEK 6 to figure out his scheme with a team, so that was up to 6 loses because his shit offense couldnt get going. By that time, the team was already out of it, so all the padded stats are moot. Fools gold. |
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Again, I am going to go back to Kyle Orton. With Orton throwing the ball for nearly 300 yards a game in his 3 starts and only taking 1 sack... McCluster and TJ were able to resemble real NFL RB's at times. Defense could rest. Defense kicked ass. Charles and Hillis are real NFL RB's. Anything close to what Orton brought to the table from Cassel, and this defense could be top 5 with the additions of Poe and Berry to the mix. |
This offense should be able to move the ball and score on these below average AFC West defenses. If they get shutdown by these slapdicks again this year it'll be a massive fail. Getting held down by Oakland and Denver at home was ****ing embarrasing.
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EXPERIENCE Again, your arguments all dictate that Hudson will be inexperienced in handling the center position game 1. He's not going to be raw, though. Jesus ****, after your senile owner drafted nothing but raw players for 10 years you'd think a Raider fan would be able to tell the ****ing difference between the two concepts. I eagerly await your next idiotic strawman response. |
Expecting cassel to make plays so the d can rest on a consistant basis is a joke. This club will ne top ten running, bottom half passing, and middle of the road on d. Same old,same old.
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Let me explain... lets break down your drivel of a post again You say Hudson's not raw going from guard to the center position, a position he's never played before in college to calling the last 10 years of Raiders draft raw when every player they drafted in those ten years played the exact position they played in college Do you now know just how dumb you can be? Seriously dude- After further evaluation, it has come to my conclusion that you have calcium deposits forming in your medulla oblongata |
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Do you care to reveal to me these insurmountable blocking technique differences between center and guard? Or maybe you'd like to continue eating diarrhea. I don't care one way or the other.
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Chimpionship getting owned. He'll go into hiding soon enough again.
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There are two main differences between Center and left guard.
Snapping the ball and line calls. Last year, reports were showing that Hudson was having no problems with snapping and he is a very very smart kid. After sitting behind one of the smartest and toughest centers in the league for a year will surely help his learning curve in making the correct line calls. As SNR says, he is inexperienced but not raw. I'm a big fan of Weigmann and what he did at his size in the NFL for so long and I would bet money that Hudson is a big upgrade. |
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It's going to be vastly improved. We'll likely struggle at the nose, but it can't be much worse than it's been in the past. Eric Berry obviously makes us vastly better. The wild card people are forgetting is that Houston will be the starter from day 1, which made an enormous difference for us once he started getting into a groove.
Another thing I worry about is that the Chiefs chose not to hire a defensive coordinator, which I think is just mind boggling. Romeo's not going to have the time he used to developing game plans and being as sharp a play caller as when that was his full time gig. |
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with all the experience we have in our defensive coaching staff, that's the last thing I'm worried about. Why in the **** would Romeo Crennel need to hire a dc that wouldn't see completely eye to eye with him? Especially with all the talented defensive coaches we have on staff. He hired Daboll to hand the offense to and Romeo will oversee the defense. We could have easily promoted almost any position coach from the defense to be the "DC"...but what's the point? Let the coaches have a competition for the spot and name one next season if we need to. |
EASILY the best unit in the division. Best backs and recieving group as well.
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It's interesting to me that last season, despite the high opinion of our defense around here, and the fact we faced a lot of UFL-level QBs, we actually allowed more yards per play (arguably considered to be the best "tell-all" defensive statistic) than we did in 2010.
Makes you wonder. :hmmm: |
The 1st-2nd half splits are decidingly different. The team started off horribly on D the 1st few weeks of the season. Nice approach coach.
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