Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6924758)

As long as he stay away from GSP he will be okay for a bit longer. I would like to see him and Fitch go at it, but Fitch is going to face GSP next.

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 6924740)

I love Matt and I thought he'd lost a step until Saturday, man he looked lean. Maybe he's getting his second wind.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6924758)

As long as he stay away from GSP he will be okay for a bit longer. I would like to see him and Fitch go at it, but Fitch is going to face GSP next.

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 6924764)

Any thoughts on Penn Edgar 2?

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 6924764)

Any thoughts on Penn Edgar 2?

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6924770)

He said himself he was going to take some time off so it will be at least 8-10 months before Hughes fights again.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6924775)

I really like Penn, but I think Edgar is just too damn fast and has an amazing Clay Guida type pace that will wear BJ down. Penn might be better off moving up to 170 or even 185 at this point in his career.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6924777)

He said he would take the fall off and do some hunting, but his return would probably be about the same time as Fitch/GSP. Maybe Hughes/Koschek?

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 6924821)

I don't think Edgar saw the best BJ Penn the first time around. I guess we'll find out.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6924616)

I think Vitor is more of a Rich Franklin type of fighter with a much better BJJ game. I'm afraid Silva's reign as champion will continue after this fight. It's going to be a Shields, Sonnen, GSP type guy that beats him. Hughes might even make an interesting fight.

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6925122)

JDS to me didn't look impressive at all against Nelson. He won the fight, but it wasn't pretty by all means. Nelson's just a tough sum bitch.

Should Lesnar defeat Velasquez in Oct, he's going to destroy JDS. As CV would also as well. Then should set up a re-match w/ Carwin sometime mid-late 2011. Or I guess it would also depend on what happens w/ the Mir/Nog fight, which I would love to see Nog pretty much end Mir's dream of a HW title shot. I doubt that happens though.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6925133)

Ahhh, I disagree. JDS is the perfect guy to defeat Brock. Outstanding boxing skills and ability to avoid being taken down. I think Brock beats Cain, but either way Junior beat the winner of that match IMO. Nelson is a very very good HW that didn't even pose a threat to Santos. Carwin is going to be 37 years old by the time he gets his rematch, I'm not sure he is the same guy and I'm really not sure his conditioning will be improved by then.

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6925405)

I think it will all depend on whether or not Brock gets him on the ground.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6924122)

Because Fedor has only 1 career loss and he didn't get dominated for nearly 5 rounds of a fight only to pull one out of his ass at the end. I don't think he is the same dude he was 5 years ago, but he still should be considered a P4P elite.

Shogun has a great resume. 2 Wins over Overeem, a win over a prime Rampage, Little Nog, Arona, etc.... He obviously wasn't the same guy when he first showed up in UFC that he was in Pride. He is also fighting in a much more difficult weight class. Silva fights at the weakest weight class in MMA, probably because he knows he would get his ass handed to him against the elite LH's.

If it had been a close fight throughout then yeah, I say great fight great win, but to get dominated for 23 minutes and then pull one out your ass is less then impressive. Sonnen is obviously the better fighter despite the outcome. I don't know what the hell got into him that has made him improve so much in the year or so, but right now he is the top 185lber in the world in my eyes. He dominated Marquardt, Miller, Okaimi, and Silva in his last 4 fights. Maybe Shields, I don't know.

Jones has destroyed every guy put in front of him so far and I would say Hamill and Vera are both top 15 LHW's in the world. Neither had a chance against the guy. I'm really not sure what the hold up is on him. Then need a fight with him against Machida, Franklin, or Thiago Silva for a shot at Shogun once he puts Rashad to sleep. Although a 3rd Machida-Shogun fight would be worthless since Shogun beat him twice already.

Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6924138)

OMG. He fought Forrest on a completely bum knee. EVERYONE knows that. The guy could barely walk. He then ran through Machida TWICE (everyone knows that first loss was bullshit). And he'd walk through Silva if silva had the nuts to go to 205 to face him.

I still rank Silva one of the best, but he has most def been exposed as having trouble with great wrestlers and fighting from off his back. This can't be disputed. I also think you have to rank him easily below GSP in the best P4P fighter department.

Originally Posted by Jim Jones (Post 6925483)

And I once again fail to understand how you credit Shogun for his "resume" and fights he won 5-6 years ago, but then bash Silva for ONE bad fight (which he WON, btw...he didn't get subbed like Fedor and Shogun did, he actually WON his fight. Why are you ignoring Silva's resume? One bad fight wipes out six years and running of being undefeated? Of beating some of the best MW's and LHW's in the world? You must have some irrational hatred of him that I don't understand. Silva has earned the respect to be considered one of the best in the world until he loses..and that hasn't happened yet.



So Shogun is allowed the injury excuse, but Silva isn't? Even though it was revealed post-fight that he fought against doctor's orders? Even though he was seen pointing to his ribs after the first round? Even though Chael Sonnen admitted afterward that he believes Silva did have bad ribs? Okay.

I don't have a problem with ranking him below GSP, I would too. I just think it's ridiculous to see such a lack of respect shown for a guy who has accomplished what Silva has.

Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6924523)

As far as him catching Sonnen, that was more Sonnen's fault than some "slick" BJJ by Silva. Sonnen postured up and left his hands in a lazy position. This is shit you learn in the first week of ground fighting. Truth is all Sonnon had to do was lay on Silva for the 5th round and he's the champ but he chose to fight and I respect that. Silva's reign as champ will be coming to an end soon.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6954172)

So I'm thinking once again Edgar speed and stamina are too much for BJ and he takes another decision. BJ might be better off moving up in a weight class or two after this fight.

I'm also seeing Toney getting stopped by ground and pound in about 2 minutes. Obviously Mercer has showed that these guys have a punchers chance, but Randy is too crafty to get caught.

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 6954178)

I think if Edgar sees the best BJ Penn he will lose. BJ is up and down though, you never know which one's showing up for the fight.

Originally Posted by TrickyNicky (Post 6954198)

For you diehards, if you haven't seen Jorge Santiago vs Kazuo Misaki II from the past week's Sengoku 14 in Japan... do yourself a favor and find it. Incredible fight and a FOTY candidate for sure.

Originally Posted by wasi (Post 6954396)

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6954391)

I read earlier today that Sonnen vs Silva rematch was going to be scheduled soon.

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 6954401)

Dana was on ESPN earlier this week saying he's making that matchup and a Shogun v Rashad fight for when Shogun comes back from knee surgery.

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6954412)

Good. I wanna see Rashad get the belt back.

Originally Posted by Metrolike (Post 6954454)

If Shogun's knee is good post-op, Rashad won't be getting the belt. :)

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6954493)

He never should have gotten it in the first place according to most people. The man has a serious work ethic and is lightning fast. He is most definitely the underdog but I will be rooting for him.

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 6954538)

Rashad is tough for shizzle but Shogun is probably the best in the world at 205

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6954576)

Shogun sure has trouble with injuries. The Brodie Croyle of MMA?

Originally Posted by Metrolike (Post 6954591)

Shogun holds the ****ing Belt. :facepalm:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6954604)

Don't get me wrong, when healthy he is a top 5 P4P, he just always seems to get injured. He wasn't healthy his first few fights back in the UFC. I think this is the 2nd knee that will be scoped.

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6954584)

Anyone ever been to the Bellator fights at the P&L district? Seems like it might be worth checking out.

Originally Posted by TrickyNicky (Post 6954884)

I'm going to try to go to the one on October 21. Eddie Alvarez vs Roger Huerta.

Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 6961670)

Tony, what a little bitch. Welcome to the MMA. ROFL

Originally Posted by TrickyNicky (Post 6961685)

UFC got hosed. I'm betting Toney got at least 750k for that "fight."

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6954269)

I just don't think BJ has ever fought anyone as quick as Edgar, BJ would be better of taking on bigger guys at this point in his career that are cat quick like Edgar is. I'm not sure even if BJ brings his best he wins, just a bad matchup for him.

Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 6961670)

Tony, what a little bitch. Welcome to the MMA. ROFL

Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 6961730)

I figured the Penn fight would turn out the way it did. Frankie is just to fast.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6961735)

penn has the WORST corner ever

and he looked like total shit.

but the corner told him he was doing great before the fourth rd. LMAO
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Originally Posted by Otter (Post 6961731)

Yeh, he needs to work on his ground game a bit. :D

Cool night

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 6961748)

That Penn corner was comical.

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6962491)

BJ. What a waste of talent. If he could stay motivated and have a good corner he would be unstoppable. He just fought Franki's fight. Why didn't he use leg kicks to slow that sumbitch down?

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6962648)

He really has seemed uninterested in these last 2 fights. I don't know if it's frustration with Frankie, or just a lull in his career.

Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6963608)

Styles make fights. Frankie just fights a style that gives BJ problems. It has nothing to do with BJ's corner or his camp. Some guys just give certain guys problems. BJ also hasn't improved in a long time while the people around him at 155 have, and are evolving. At one point BJ was good enough to win on talent alone. That's not the case anymore.

Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6963608)

Styles make fights. Frankie just fights a style that gives BJ problems. It has nothing to do with BJ's corner or his camp. Some guys just give certain guys problems. BJ also hasn't improved in a long time while the people around him at 155 have, and are evolving. At one point BJ was good enough to win on talent alone. That's not the case anymore.

Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 6961751)

Yeah, it was like listening to Herm try to coach a football game.

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6963868)

Its just hard to imagine that was same guy that dismantled Sherk and Diego.

Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 6961751)

Yeah, it was like listening to Herm try to coach a football game.

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6962491)

BJ. What a waste of talent. If he could stay motivated and have a good corner he would be unstoppable. He just fought Franki's fight. Why didn't he use leg kicks to slow that sumbitch down?

Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6964340)

Guys have ups and downs in their careers. But in MMA if you don't get better and evolve fast guys that are up and coming will eat you up. Who saw Sonnen winning 8-10 rounds for 4.5 rounds over Anderson Silva? Styles make fights. I also think that BJ hasn't improved much while everyone around him has improved by leaps and bounds. He's not top dog anymore, in any weight class. He looks like just another guy now. I think it's possible we see Matt Hughes and Penn fight soon (BJ moving back to 170). That would be very telling right now I think.

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6967739)

Finally saw the fights. The main event was a snoozer. You could see what was going to happen in BJ's eyes at the end of rd 1.

The rest for the fights were fun though. I was glad to see impressive wins for Diaz and Lauzon. Davis' eye was naaasty.

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 6969252)

Dana announced the main event for UFC 123 was going to be Rampage vs Machida, can Jackson take another loss and still be a viable draw?

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 6969252)

Dana announced the main event for UFC 123 was going to be Rampage vs Machida, can Jackson take another loss and still be a viable draw?

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6969267)

nope.

but IMO he wins this one.

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 6969273)

That's bold, if he doesn't put more into it than he did his "grudge match" with Evans he's going to get out pointed in a boring ass counterpunch fest

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6969298)

dont sleep on the ring rust angle. rampage had a shit ton of things pulling him in different directions at that point in his training. He's shown that he doesnt perform well in that situation.

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 6969343)

I get what you're saying but Machida is not the guy to be sluggish against, he's going to have to bring his 'A' game.