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How awesome would it be if Poe racks up a handful of sacks every year?

I'm forced to take Crennel's word when it comes to an assessment of Poe's ability. there may not be a more qualified person on the planet to defer to in this situation. So until Poe proves that he wasn't worth the pick, I'm going to assume he was.

And as far as the tape goes, from what I've seen, he has flashed. Hard. He just never amassed any numbers, and that's all coachable IMO.

Which defensive linemen did Crennel draft when he was with the Browns?

With a first round pick? I don't know who?

Eh, I'll stop being lazy and answer my own question.

2005
5 139 David McMillan- DE
6 203 Andrew Hoffman- DT

2006
1 13 Kamerion Wimbley- DE
6 181 Babatunde Oshinowo- DT

2007
6 200 Melila Purcell- DE
7 213 Chase Pittman- DE

2008
6 190 Ahtyba Rubin- DT

So... he knows defensive linemen only if they're high end picks maybe?

The Kansas City Chiefs have had their first round pick Dontari Poe in mandatory minicamp this week, as well as the rest of the offseason before this week. That's notable because Poe has yet to sign his rookie contract. In past years rookies wouldn't work out until they had their rookie deal done but Poe's contract isn't a concern with the NFL's rookie wage scale.

Poe said there was "no doubt" he was going to be at the Chiefs offseason program, regardless of his contract.

"I'm here to play football, so I'm doing that side of it," Poe said, via comments sent out by the Chiefs. "I leave that up to pretty much the other people to do that, so I'm just doing what I'm here to do."

So what does Poe working out without a contract say about him?

"It says he wants to make the team," Chiefs coach Romeo Crennel said. "That's what that says."

Pretty sure he's gonna make the team but Crennel didn't sound concerned at all about Poe's contract.

"They will get it done eventually because of the new structure in camp and things like that, but I think that he wants to learn the system and show what his abilities are so that when he does get assigned he can fall right into place."

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OMG HE'S NOT SIGNED YET!!!!!!!!!!

I lol'd

Stop sucking the fun out of life

i know you're making a joke but i really don't understand why they all aren't sign yet. The new system should make it pretty cut and dry.

How many still playing?

Deciding how many Twinkies he gets in his signing bonus.

Name all the stud 6th round Dlinemen in the league right now.

I understand that's a silly request, and wouldn't really expect you to do so.

Too late.

He's in full Google mode now. You've awakened the sleeping giant, haha

Jerrel Powe

Cam "Mr. Universe" Thomas!!!!

Just because you're a miserable Jags fan doesn't mean you have to act like a lil' bitch.

I remeber reading that Dorsey likes shrimp and gumbo at road side stands. Which worried me some being a big man like he is. He could blow up eating that stuff.

That would be awesome.

Got to meet this guy in person and he is a beast of a man. There is a local establishment where I see alot of the players on a regular basis and he has only been out once. Trent Green even made an appearance not long ago :)

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what game do you think Poe will get his first NFL sack

I say week 16 on a coverage sack,

I'm kidding of course.

I expect big things from this kid this season.

Good Finds.

I hated the Poe pick when it happened.

He still wouldn't have been my choice, but he's starting to have me believing he can actually play in this league now.

I really hate our DL.

What I'm going to hate is if Dorsey dominates at nose in San Fran.

I still don't know if Romeo just didn't like Powe or that the kid can't play. I think Poe would be better at end and Jackson, still don't like.

Is Powe still on the roster?

Who did you want?

Brockers


Still wish he was the pick

yup

Do we not have a ****ING THREAD STICKIED to tell you EXACTLY THAT.

I wanted Chandler Jones. He's so quick and plenty strong. He had a really good rookie year.

hmmm, u mad bro?

Furious.

Same here.

In order of preference:

1. Trade up for Tannehill
2. Take one of the pass rushers that were available to us (Ingram, Mercilus, or Coples)
3. Brockers (or Cox, though I question how he would fit in our 3-4. I did NOT see him falling to us at all in the mock draft process)

Or anybody else. I saw Dontari Poe's tape and that made me really sour. When a guard from Arkansas freakin State dominates you, that's when I start to question if you're worth the 11th overall.

The big guy's still got a long way to go, but it at least looks like the changes in coaching are making a huge impact.

WTF

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Direckshun makes terrible threads.

Can't we all just get along?

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Anybody who thinks Powe should play the Nose and Poe should play End has no idea how the game has evolved.

And anybody who can't see the value in having a Nose Tackle like Poe that can play multiple techniques... same deal.

Dontari Poe was an absolutely terrific pick. One of the few that looks to be solid in the Pioli era.

Yep...saw a lot of that last season. Undisiplined and he got directed a lot by the center and guards. Gave up a lot of rushing first downs (just like in this video) because he didn't hold his lane.

Woah. Easy there, tiger. I'm warming up to Poe as well, but he's far from a terrific pick yet. He steadily improved throughout last season, considering if he was farting behind Toribio all of preseason. I'm hopeful the aggressive scheme from Bob Newhart will make him even better, but he still has a long way to go. If not, he's no better than a Tyson Jackson kind of player at NT, which is pretty much what we had with Ron Edwards.

Powe is not the protypical run stuffer that I assume you are implying him to be with "no idea how the game has evolved comment".

His problem, from what I could see, in Romeo's scheme, is that he couldn't control his desire to penetrate, and wasn't able to maintain his gap responsibility within the scheme.

Powe is more athletic than his size would indicate, and is a good fit in an attacking 34 because of that athletic ability, and his ability to penetrate.

He was a terrific pick because we took a chance on a player at a critical position whose upside is to play a rare form of that position. He's not just any nose tackle. He has ability to be Vince Wilfork or Haloti Ngata, and that is a really tough and extremely valuable player in this league.

I am not saying he's a terrific pick because he's an awesome player. I know what he is -- he's much further along than we expected, but still has a long way to go. But this was one of the only picks Pioli made where he drafted based on positional value instead of taking a safe pick.

They need to put Powe in two or three times in a quarter just to blow up the center into the back field. He can blow up an offense if that is the mission he is sent in to do. Not for every down but give him a play or two in a series of downs. I think D lineman are at best when they aren't on the field the entire game and get rotated.

I am talking about how the game has evolved to the Nose Tackle having to play multiple techniques. You have to do that to beat No Huddle. Which is why people undervalue DeVito's role in this defense. And they overvalue guys like Terence Cody who play pure zero technique versus a guy like Wilfork who can and does play pretty much every single defensive snap.

Powe is limited in his versatility. He is a pure 0-technique, and that's probably his only position. Poe can play the 0-technique, probably the 5-technique, and has the skill set to even one day play 1-tech and 3-tech.

That's bullshit saying all Powe can play is the zero.

The guy has the ability to disrupt plays from anywhere in the interior.

His saving grace is that he has potential to play in both a 0-technique and a 1-technique, which gives him the 4-3/3-4 flexibility Rex Ryan wants. He's not the guy who's going to play 3-technique or 5-technique. He is a 2-down NT with, you're right, a little more flexibility than say a Terence Cody. But he's not even remotely close to the Haloti Ngatas or Vince Wilforks of the world who are revolutionizing the position.

If you think thats a mess look at out QBs.

Goes and pukes

What's up with two pony tails? One in the back and one on the top of his head. What is up with that shit?

I think Poe can do better at DE than Tyson Jack. I think Powe should be at NT and give that push shoving the center back and penetrate wreaking havoc with DJ blitzing right behind him.


Poe is more versatile along the line yet Powe has more power to beast it up the middle.

It would not surprise me this preseason games to see Powe out play Poe at NT.

Powe sucks ass.

What makes a nt like Poe so valuable is when a team goes no huddle and let's say they force you to the nickel or they shift into a 5 receiver set, all of a sudden you can't run a traditional base 3-4. That's what guys like Casey Hampton are getting phased out while Wilfork and ngata are essentially becoming franchise players.

I did forget, however, that if we are moving to a Rex Ryan base defense, that it could also be done keeping both Poe and Powe on the field. Just as Baltimore often does with Cody and ngata. Big difference being that Powe would have to learn the 1 technique which is essentially a 4-3 nose tackle.

Can someone who has the time and know-how, post a rookie season comparison with Poe vs Ngata and all other elite NT types. I have looked it up myself. Think its an eye opener.
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I did, and they are very similar

Poe: games 16, batted passes 4, sacks 0, tackles 28, asst 10

Ngata: games 16, batted passes 2, sacks 1, tackles 13, asst 8

This...

Serious question.

Have you ever been right?

Wilfork: games 16, passes defensed 3, sacks 2, tackles 27, asst 15


If you factor in Romeo's defensive philosophy and the jump in the type of competition that Poe faced in college vs the NFL compared to Ngata and Wilfork, it is easy to see why some folks on this board have high hopes that Poe can wind up being elite, especially if he is utilized in an attacking defense.

Poe's arms are too short. all his pressure are going to be incredibly high effort leg drive push.... he's not going to get any of those instant hand battle victory pressures...

Powe or Poe?

I guess I just don't get the hype for Powe. He's struggled to just get on the field. That's not a condemnation really (especially considering our incompetent coaching), as I'd love for him to be Dan Saleamua but I'm just not really understanding why people are talking like he's some hyped up 1st round pick that's already started for a couple of years and is primed to break out or something.

I'm intrigued by how the dline performs under some real coaching and a good scheme that fits its players. I can't wait to see how this D performs in an attacking system. I like Poe and think he can be really good. Well see how he develops in year 2. I think Powe can be a good rotational lineman that generates pressure inside. Would like to see him and Poe side by side to stop the run.

If I am not mistaken Ngata made the probowl with those numbers! That says a lot.

I like the trade up for Tannehill first
Then Brockers
Then DeCastro.

I'd have been right on 1 and 2, but Poe looks like he's going to be a decent player and still has the potential to be far more than that. Taking DeCastro over him would've been a mistake.

I think we have a nice player on our hands in Poe.

1a) trade up for Tannehill
1b) Barron
3) Mercilus
4) Ingram
5) trade down

I think that was my top 5

Poe looked like he was coming along nicely as the year progressed, though, and seems to have a chance to be special.

I didn't expect the Chiefs to trade up for Tannehill.

He was my first choice at 11 if he fell, with Barron 2nd, and Ingram 3rd.