We'll be a little better next year but don't kid yourself about competing for an AFC West title anytime soon.

What the ****. I just read a text from earlier that says Reid wants to try and hire Heckert AND Dorsey.

How is that possible? It has to be a typo, doesn't it?

Dorsey=Gm
Heckert=Dir. of PP/CS

What are the details of the contract? yrs/$

Has this been talked about on here?

I've heard of an either/or signing, but not BOTH...bad guy, have you heard this?

That's the rumor I've seen consistently. Dorsey=Gm and Heckert hired in other capacity.

It's true...must not have been a typo, then.

I'd be more surprised if it didn't happen IMO.

Not sure how I feel about Heckert, but as a duo we would have a highly impressive front office.

Heckert not going all in for RG3 is troubling, though.

One thing nobody has talked about it a scenario in which he desired to go all in and was told no by the owner...

No one knows?

That was a Holmgren decision afaik

5 year contract, not sure on $ amount but it will probably make him among the highest paid HC's in the league.

Thanks

Nope. He mentioned a few times that he would rebrand SOC to a Chiefs news thing.

Bully for Clark and the Chiefs. I've given him alot of shit in recent months and I'm glad he's exceeded my expectations. I stand corrected in his passion for winning.

We'll compete! Ill bet anything. We have a REAL coaching staff. We'll have a ****ing great front office

Hey Boss, go look it up. Cleveland offered a good deal. WASH got the deal done because Fisher and Shanny are pals. Cleveland talked to the media about how pissed they were they thought they had a deal

It's a good safe pick... Reid is a good coach his time in Philly just got stale...

One of the most universal highly regarded moves in recent Chiefs history. Respected by fans and rivals alike. This team gets a QB look out. Ohhhh, we have the number one overall pick of the litter :)

Well he damn sure won't hurt KC, he may bring in a Vet at QB though...

R8ers decides not to troll us on this...Hmm...shocking. :D

One step closer to CHIEFS fandom.

Theres not alot to troll, you can't get any ****ing worse even if I was the coach. :)

You know... I don't think there is a single coach in the entire NFL who manages the clock worse than Andy Reid. His clock management is sub-herm.

I hope you guys realize that. Andy is great at building a team, designing an offense, and all of that. On gameday, he is terrible. The guy would have a couple SB championships if he had been able to get out of his team's way.

Sooo... I"m glad you guys are all happy. I can't say there was a hire out there I was really high on... Andy Reid was 2nd on my retread list though. It could have been much worse.

Just be prepared to have a really good team that is held back by their coach on gameday. Just like Marty.

You can keep Palmer.

Since we are rebuilding, I just as well have Pryor at QB to be honest with you and save 13 Million..

1 player won't make a team win even if he does throw for 4k yards if you can never stop the other team from scoring.

You need to hope like hell Tyler Wilson drops to your spot and they snatch him up. I won't say shit about your QB situation if that happens. Pryor won't amount to squat. You don't have a legit longterm solution at QB, you are toast in today's NFL.

You are getting ready to see why Madden and many in the NFL suggested Reggie become our GM... The NFL is about finding the gems in the draft not the first rounders..

You just worry about Cheapo Clark and the Cheaps , we got this shit covered in Raiderland

Maybe he'll give us a 2nd for Stanzi then??

You guys take our scrubs.. What did I tell you about Routt and Boss last year when you got them? I told you Routt was shit and Boss was a member of the hot tub club... I was right again.:clap:

...and I told you how bad the Faider defense and secondary was going to be. You didn't listen at the time.

I knew that they would not be good, I was just hoping they wouldn't be as bad as they were. No one could have predicted them being that bad.

I did :evil: They were starting guys that likely wouldn't make a UFL squad.

No you didn't... You also predicted the Chiefs would have a better record than the Raiders and that was epic fail, you predicted the Chiefs to beat the Raiders this year and you got swept, You predicted the Cheaps in the playoffs this year, was so damn confident you bet with me and we called that off but you still lost.. Don't give me that horse shit because as dysfunctional as the Raiders are we do go to a SB every now and then and do win a Playoff game every now and then and no matter how well you think the Chiefs draft you have the exact same thing in the trophy case as we do for the last 20 years minus the AFC Championship Trophy.

And NOW we can move forward...

Mission accomplished

WTF does this mean? You guys sold the damn barn for Carson Palmer

So what? The two situations are as different as night and day.

Pioli had never run an organization before. It's apparent to everyone now that Pioli was nothing more than Belichick's errand boy, and he was completely unprepared to do the job he was hired to do.

We are excited about this hire because Andy Reid has has already done this, and he's been wildly successful at it. He has proven that he can do this.

The ONLY possible concern would be the 8-8 and 4-12 records of the last two years. I heard a caller on one of the local radio stations say how much that concerned him, and he went on to say that he can't think of a single coach who has gone to another team and been successful after a couple of years like that.

I wanted to yell at the radio and tell that idiot that he obviously doesn't follow the NFL, because I can think of SIX coaches right off the top of my head who got fired after one or more bad seasons with their original teams and then went to different teams and took them (at least) to the playoffs: Bill Belichick, John Fox, Tom Coughlin, Mike Shanahan, Pete Carroll, and our very own Marty Schottenheimer. With the exception of Bellichick, all of those coaches won division titles with their original team before they got fired.

If you're looking for a parallel in Chiefs history, it isn't the hiring of Scott Pioli. It's the hiring of Marty Schottenheimer. Marty never got us to the promised land, but he took us on a helluva ride for 10 years.

Clark is cheap smack is soooooo Sunday.

You guys wouldn't even pay KY Orton with a team full of shit, That's the main reason you guys haven't sniffed a SB since ****ing Gatorade was invented. The Hunts are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP, and they will remain CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP.

We wouldn't pay him or he, like Manning, wanted no part of the fiasco that were the Pioli Chief's?

Not a chance and you know damn well the Hunts aren't willing to pay the kind of money to bring a FA Like Manning in. It was just a smoke screen to keep you guys in the seats and to make you think he tried... One team held all the cards and cap room for Manning and that was the Chiefs...

Imagine what that 30 million in cap room could have done to replace the shit at QB you have this year?

10 years with 3 playoff wins, 2 that came in the same season, and no SB to show for it.

10 years closer to death without sniffing a SB.

The fact still remains, regardless of resume's, that the excitement when Scott Pioli was hired, the excitement level was the same.

I am not drawing a parallel of previous records.

I am comparing reactions.

That wasn't about money.

That was Scott Pioli ensuring that Matt Cassel had no real competition.

Dude, they just spent like 20 million replacing Varys and hiring Reid. You are going full troll again.

We just demoted the GM position to the HC's man-servant.

His job is to do the will of the HC.

And the HC we just hired has no fear of spending money for people he wants. He went out and grabbed every goodie in free agency a few years ago and built the "dream team."

Clark didn't hire this guy to not spend money...

Dumbass. That was a Pioli decision, not a Clark Hunt decision. Pioli didn't want Kyle Orton to challenge Matt Cassell for the starting job this year.

Clark Hunt overpaid Pioli, and he just shelled out around $35 million for Andy Reid. That pretty much debunks all of the talk about how cheap people think he is.

You nailed it on your last part. As of right now, he is a very good coach who hasn't proven he can win the big game. And regardless of his playoff win/loss record, anyone in the NFC East can attest that those wins came despite some questionable game management on Reid' part.

The last time around, I trusted Pioli in the same way Hunt did. That was a mistake, and we have to be careful about that. If we repeat history, we'll definitely give him way too much power and we'll extend his contract regardless of how he performs. Like I said before... the DC decision shouldn't be his, he should have say in personnel but hopefully learn to trust his talent evaluators, and in year 5 we have to decide what level of success is acceptable to extend his contract (given the Chiefs' history... they'd be content with "good enough.")

Manning has all the money he needs. He's a competitor that weighed his options. Pioli's chiefs with Romeo and Daboll were probably never much of a consideration to him.

Ok, You guys clean off your rose colored glasses and be back here next year when you are 6-10 because El Cheapo Clark wouldn't spend the cash, I am not arguing with you hard heads.

Obviously he doesn't, he risked eating babyfood for the rest of his life to grab the money....


Nobody in the NFL does it for anything except money...

I believe that as team building is concerned, that Scott Pioli had the right approach.

You build championship teams through the draft, and dip into free agency for a couple of key additions when the time is right.

Where Pioli failed is n the actual choices he made in the draft.

The SB hasn't been won by teams that just spend money.

It's won by teams that make good picks in the draft.

I guess I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish here. It sounds like you've decided that nobody should ever get excited about any hire if they've ever been disappointed in the past.

If that's the way you want to look at things, I suppose that's fine for you. I just happen to think that an Andy Reid / John Dorsey combination as head coach and GM is something to get excited about. There's no guarantee that it's going to work out, but even the most pessimistic fan HAS to admit that it's a hell of a lot better combination than Romeo Crennel and Scott Pioli.

Good thing the #1 candidate for our GM job was the director of college scouting for the Packers...

That was actually one of Reid's downfall in Philly. He was always known to be a head coach that concentrated on the draft but the last few years he dived into the FA market and it didn't work.

Sure there were other issues (death of Johnson, never getting a defensive staff settled afterwards, lack of cohesion in the front office after Heckert left and his family personal issues).

Who knows if Reid will work but at the same time one gets the feeling he stayed in Philly for to long and started going against his original blue print in the end. He gets a new start staff wise and gets to go back to his original blue print again.

I am not excited about Andy Reid as the HC of the Chiefs, the same as I was not excited about Scott Pioli as the GM of the Chiefs when he was hired.

I am not really trying to acomplish anything here, except to show that I am not really on board.

If Dorsey does take the job, then I can buy in a little more.

You've never been on board. :)

The problem is when fans get over-excited, they let things slide. Just as we, myself not just included (maybe especially), did with Pioli. I'm optimistic about Reid. I'm also not going to kid myself and pretend the red flags aren't there, both in what he did in Philly and what KC might do to coddle him.

What happened to Reid in philly parallels a LOT of long tenured coaches. Once the 'superbowl or bust' pressure is on after 8 or more years things change.

The coach's core has aged and he has to rebuild, but the fans will not tolerate a rebuild with the same coach. They just won't. Instead he starts trying to 'retool' by grabbing any talent, regardless of baggage, just to fill holes left by his aging stars.

It happened to Marty, and it happened to Fisher. Well, actually Fisher WAS allowed to rebuild... it just failed.

Who did you want milkman? That isn't a question of disagreement but just curious who you wanted?

I wanted Kelly but think Reid was probably my 2nd choice.

14 years. Comfort. Myopia.

He gave Juan Castillo the DC job because Castillo wanted to be a coordinator and Andy wanted to do him a favor.

Was it a bad decision? Absolutely.

But it's a decision you make in year 11 or 12 of your tenure, not year 1.

THIS.

From the looks of the QB poll thread if the chiefs don't go after a QB in the 1st round the over-excited expectations will turn into all out rebellion before the first snap of training camp.

There might even be a banner flying around St. Joe.ROFL

Can't wait to head to other team's boards and read the "Cassel wouldn't be a bad number 2 for the right price. Maybe fill in starter." posts, heh.

I've struggled with this, since the Clark Hunt really limited the choices with the criteria that established.

Before the offseason started, David Shaw was my top choice.

After Hunt described what he was looking for in a HC, Bill Cowher and Brian Billick would have been far more preferable.

And thinking outside the box, I would have looked in the direction of the CFL and talked to Marc Trestman.

You'd really take Cowher over Reid? Are you feeling OK?

I guess one thing that makes me happy about hiring Andy Reid is that it almost seems that giving the GM power to the head coach was the only way that Clark Hunt was willing to get rid of that POS Pioli.

If Clark had hired a brand new head coach, he would have had to fire Pioli and hire a brand new GM too. We all know that it's EXACTLY what he should have done, but based upon the way Clark approached the whole thing this week, my fear is that Pioli might have survived if Clark hadn't hired a head coach who could make this decision for him.

Maybe I'm not being fair to Clark Hunt. Maybe if he had hired Chip Kelly or Mike McCoy or Jay Gruden, he would have then fired Pioli and then started looking for a new GM. But letting Reid do the work of finding his own GM certainly made the process easier for Clark and quicker for everyone.

Just think what a fiasco it would have been if Chip Kelly and Scott Pioli were peers next season. Their conflict could have been a replay of the Pioli/Haley conflicts.

No, Kyle Orton didn't even give the Chiefs a chance. He bolted for Dallas the minute they told him Cassel was the starter going forward.

Cheap owners don't shell out nearly 2.5 million for Haley to go away, 4 million for Romeo go to away and 15 million for Pioli to go away.

Sorry, the Clark is cheap bullshit is garbage. The Hunt family spent a ton on free agent contracts in the 2000s. He spent a ton of money in 2010 to get Weis and Romeo on staff as well.

Reid is going to cost 40 million. He's hiring a new GM that's going to get at least 3-5 million a year and have to hire a cap guy.

Brian Billick would have been more preferable?

How?

Brian Billick needs exceptional talent to win. He needs all world players to win. Cunningham was fantastic in Minnesota, he had a stud running back, 2 unreal WRs and a stud slot in Jake Reed.

When he went to Baltimore, he had the greatest defense I've ever seen.

There's also a reason the guy hasn't sniffed a HC job since he was let go from Baltimore over 5 years ago.

Reid is an offensive version of the same coach, but with 1 less superbowl ring.

Your are not alone with this feeling compadre.

Add this to the OP

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/06/gepubegy.jpg

As I've said before, I don't like Reid's approach on offense, the general lack of balance, and the fact that he put the game in the hands of a guy that I always considered highly overrated in McNabb.

I also don't generally like the type of defensive players he targets in the draft.

I'd take Cowher because I believe he could lure Chan Gailey back to KC as OC, and I think Gailey, while not a good HC, is one of the very best offensive minds in the NFL.

Brian Billick is a solid administrator, which I believe is critical to success.

Who he brings in assistents would be critical.

That pic of Andy and Clark looks like it's from the 1970's, why is this team more secretive then the CIA?

And that one less Super Bowl ring makes him all the more palatable over Cowher. Cowher doesn't even want to coach, let alone have a desire to win a championship.

Wow. Who stole the real milkman?

It is tough to decorate Arrowhead in such short time. Peehole had that place like a mortuary.

Brian billick won because he had the greatest D of all time! He sucks no thanks. That ass clown athan kept pushing for him