No QB in the 1st? I won't bother watching if the Chiefs don't come up with a reasonable solution at the QB position.
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I mean, just think of the options if we let Albert walk. We could draft competition for Stephenson in the 2nd rounds and later. We could sign one of these high profile free agent tackles that are set to hit the market. We could move players around on the line (ex. play Jeff Allen at tackle, his natural position in college). We could just say, "We're not going to build this team up all in one offseason" and wait until next year to take a tackle in the draft. After all, that's a line true fans like to use. How about we live by that line and give them a taste of their own medicine?
There are TONS of good ideas to replace Albert that don't involve pissing away the #1 ****ing overall pick on reeruned ****ing Luke ****ing Joeckel |
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did ****ing hotcarl just seriously compare luke goddamned joekel to willie ****ing roaf? jesus titty**** MOTHER****ing christ on a pogo stick.
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Only a true fan would want to vote in this poll. heh
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Honestly, I truly hope that we don't draft a QB this year. There isn't a good one out there. The fact that Alex Smith is by far the best option at the position is just sad. Brandon Albert simply isn't a bookend LT like Reid's system requires. He'd be fine as a guard, but he's already publicly stated that he doesn't want to move back to guard. In my opinion, Albert is out. And that makes Joeckel the most logical choice. Geno Smith is a project at best. And frankly, you don't take projects with the number 1 pick. The Raiders made that mistake with JaMarcus Russell.
It doesn't matter who the QB is, if you don't have a good offensive line, you cannot win. Plain and simple. Just ask the Bears. And the Cardinals. And the Chargers. And the Eagles. The Super Bowl this season was evidence of that as well. Both teams had fantastic offensive lines. |
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Dayne Crist, yup.
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This is why I hate our stupid fanbase.
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Probably another 2AM troll attempt anyways. At least I hope so.
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Explain to me how I'm wrong?
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Not a troll. I absolutely hate this year's QB class. I will agree that Geno Smith is the best of them, but that's not saying much. Geno Smith is just a Colt Brennan who played in a real conference. And not even a good real confrence
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YOU GOTTA PAY THE TROLL TOLL TO GET INTO THIS BOY'S SOUL
YOU GOTTA PAY THE TROLL TOLL TONIGHT |
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I'm being absolutely serious. If someone could please show me something that I haven't seen in my own study of Geno Smith, please tell me. All I have seen is terrible footwork, and him hitting guys who were wide open. Honestly, he looked alot like the QB at the school where I coach at. All he did was benefit from a system. Never in his college career did he play in a system even remotely close to the West Coast that Reid runs. In fact, the Air Raid has never produced a Pro Bowl caliber QB. And the only QB out of the system who was taken 1st overall was TIM COUCH. Excuse me for not wanting that...
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Alex Smith will not take the CHIEFS ANYWHERE! If i recall correctly he came from a spread offense as well.
At least with Geno SMith there is some ****ing excitement, hell even Wilson or Barkley. If not, its just going to be another ****ing lame boring 6-10 record or something close give or take a few ****ing wins. AT least with a new QB that record will be with some kind of excitement! The Chiefs need to do ****ing something to keep the fan base interested. Hell,t his is the first year since i been watching football weekly since 1982 that i was not excited for football sundays! i never thought that day would come. When your turning the TV to see HOW much your team loses by and not expecting a win, its bad. |
all of that has been COMPLETELY debunked if you actually give a shit. do a search for 'GENO SMITH,' it's not like there's an actual 'OFFICIAL GENO SMITH THREAD' on the front page.
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@FruitNinja, I agree with you. We have to do something. But I don't think that should mean that we reach for a 2nd round talent with the first overall pick. Frankly, the only option I like at QB right now isn't even an option; that being praying to the football gods that the Bears don't resign Cutler. And even then, that's a pretty terrible scenario. The fact is that the QB class for the next couple of years is god-awful. In an average year, every QB in first round contention this year would be a 3rd rounder at best. In all honesty, I don't think there's anyway we don't draft a QB in the first 2 rounds. I would just rather do something like the Bengals did and get the better player in the first, and then take the best available QB in the second.
@Ebolapox, I've been through about 20 pages of the draft Geno thread, and found nothing useful. And I have done my research on Geno Smith. And I wasn't impressed. He looked like Colt Brennan to me. He plays in a system that throws the ball on 75% of its snaps, and many of those are high percentage throws like hitches and screens. I just haven't seen anything on the kid that has sold me on him as the number 1 pick |
If we're not taking a QB, I want to draft the highest rated punter. With all the punting we're going to be doing, Colquitt will get tired.
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That's a messy process, so go ahead and start without me. I'll be by real soon, don't worry |
I am becoming convinced that we are attracting Jaguar and Raiders fan trolls here trying to convince us to pass on Geno so that their teams can grab him.
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You are beyond help if you think all of these QBs have a THIRD ROUND GRADE???? in "normal" draft classes. Really? You think Geno Smith is a 3rd round QB in 2011? 2010? You would rather draft Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow than Geno Smith? Are you for real for real? 2008? 2009? Those were shitty ****ing shallow QB classes. One or two guys and then cum in your face. 2007? 2006? Even take 2012. After Luck and RGIII you're going to tell me that Ryan Tannehill looked more impressive in college than Geno Smith? Ryan Tannehill was the most boring top 10 QB to be drafted that I've ever seen. Brandon Weeden? BROCK OSWEILER? You'd rather have Osweiler than Geno? That's why I want you to go first. I refuse to waste time typing out a long-winded argument FOR Geno when you're just going to shit on it with the usual replies. Check out all the resources I mentioned in the OP of the Geno Smith thread. I see a QB with the foundation and the competitive nature it takes to be successful in the league, especially with a QB coach like Andy Reid. That's fine if you don't think that, but don't just come in here like every other dumb ass n00b Geno hater has and expect to be entertained and swept off your feet with nice, polite, informative posts that have the same information mentioned 20,000 times already. Get it? |
If someone could please show me how Smith fits in to the West Coast, I would really appreciate it. What I see out of Geno Smith is a strong arm and playmaking ability, but I don't see him putting the ball in tight windows, and I don't see great technique, especially when it comes to his feet. He can be skittish in the pocket. And like I said earlier, his stat line is basically irrelevant because of the system he comes out of
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You're wrong and suck at watching football if you believe the stuff I outlined in your quoted post. Tell me why you think those things and maybe if I'm in a nice mood I'll engage you in the type of debate you're looking for. Until then, the answer is no. All I can say is your opinion is wrong. |
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A) I would not have drafted a QB as highly as alot of teams did in several of the years you mentioned. I sure as hell never would have taken Tim Tebow, Colt McCoy, or any other spread/veer QB for a West Coast system. Tannehill I wouldn't have taken until the late third at the earliest. I never would have drafted Cam Newton at 100, let alone 1. I'm also extremely picky with my QBs. If a QB isn't at least as smart, if not smarter than I his offensive coordinator, I don't consider him to be the best option. In fact, there are only 3 QBs in the league that I would even come close to considering at 1 overall. B) I personally don't feel like the QB position should be valued as highly as it is. I'm a big believer in building teams from the trenches out. Any QB can succeed if he has 5 seconds to throw the ball and a strong running game. Case in point, Kyle Orton. C) I'm not denying the kid has talent. I just don't think that he is a day 1 starter. And that's what this team needs desperately. I think that he needs time to adjust to both the center/QB exchange and getting reads from under center, where the view is much more limited. I also don't like that on several of the dropbacks in that video from the OP of the Geno thread, I see a wind up. The ball should never drop below his shoulder, which it does on about 30% of the throws in the first few minutes. Also, I have issues with the fact that Smith rarely took more than a 1 step drop. There isn't much showing a 3, 5, or 7 step drop like he will be routinely asked to do in the West Coast system. D) I'm not denying that he can hit a mostly open receiver. What I doubt is the throws into double coverage and into the sideline against high quality CBs. I haven't seen that kind of ability. Not saying he doesn't have it, I just haven't seen it. E) I don't know what kind of head the kid has on his shoulders. I don't know how smart he is, football and otherwise. I don't know if he can hold up in tough situations (mentioned in the interview posted in the draft Geno thread), and I don't know if he can succeed in adverse conditions. I also don't know how well this kid can handle adversity. Basically what I'm saying is that there are alot of things that we as fans can't know about this kid to be 95% certain that he will succeed in the NFL, and more specifically in the West Coast offense. And I don't like picking unknown quantities. If I were building a franchise, I would be painfully conservative. I understand its not the "modern" way of doing things, but its been working for the past 92 years. |
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Guru, that was a response to SNR's 2nd and 3rd paragraphs. Had no bearing on the actual Geno argument. Risk has nothing to do with it. Get with the program bro
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Like I said earlier, I think we should take the sure thing at 1.1. Be that Joeckel or Milliner, I honestly don't care. There's a need at both spots (assuming Albert is gone. But that's another story). We take our QB at 2.2, where there will still be alot of good players available. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if even Smith were still available. The only QB needy teams in the top 10 all have more pressing needs (Raiders-DL, Eagles-OL, Cards-OL, Bills-LB/WR), and past that, there aren't really any teams that desperately need a QB. The only question mark really is the Jags at 1.2/2.1. Its safer, but it also will probably have the better end result
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Who is gonna take them? The Jets are stuck with Sanchez for one more year because of his contract, the Eagles must draft OL if their offense wants to go anywhere, the Raiders are A) still scared from the Russell shitstorm and B) really need to improve their defense, the Bills might, the Jags might. And it doesn't matter whose behind center in Arizona if they don't have anyone who can block. And Bruce Arians knows that. The Browns literally just used a 1 on a QB, and everyone else is fairly set at the QB spot. I see at most 2 being taken in the first, but I seriously think that most teams will wait. We might have to jump up to 28-31 to get our guy if the Jags pass at 1.2, but I don't think we'll need to. But that's apparantly just me
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The thing about the draft is everyone is a crapshoot.
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Where is the "Fire John Dorsey" option?
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Chiefsfan91 is ****ing moron.
The Pack won SB with Crap O line. The Giants won SB with a mediocre line. Tell us how Geno has never played under center. |
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Man, some of you guys have gone bat shit religious on Geno! :eek: |
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This is the first time in the four decades I have been a Chiefs fan that we have the top pick. If we want to never have it again we should be very careful on this one. |
This went about as well as I expected.
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The 3 teams of the last 15 that didn't take a QB at 1, said player didn't even sign their second contract with that team. Anyway, to play this "game" I'll take Milliner I suppose. |
I don't give a rat's ass about Geno's stats.
I couldn't even begin to tell you what most of his numbers are. I come to my opion by actually watching games, having seen all but 2 from this past season. I'm not some mindless moron that parrots the opinion of some drooling idiot with big hair, like you do. And it's the same god damn thing with you every year. It isn't just Geno this year. Every ****ing year you tell us that the available QBs can't be taken in our spot. It's aloways some bullshit excuse why itks too much of a risk. |
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The Browns took a franchise LT early and he's probably the best LT in the game. What pick do they have again this year?
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We have no say on that. Get back to the real world my friend. Forums like this is just for the fans to feel like they are in charge. We are playing a fantasy game. |
So in a QB class that is supposedly so weak, we are ok with not taking the best one (whichever one that is), instead waiting to take the 4 or 5 best one in this class? A class that is supposedly terrible?
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Terrible poll.
Geno is the only option with the #1 overall pick. There are no plausible "if not a QB..." options. |
"building from the trenches".....you sir are a ****ing moron.
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Once we get 4 all pro's up front on the oline and a few on the dline, we can throw whoever in a QB and win multiple SB"s.
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The OP is a stupid scenario.
With the 1st pick in the draft you address your biggest hole and reason that put you with the worst record, and and gave your team the worst QB in the NFL...period. No other position will get you to the SB faster, so it should be the primary focus every time you draft until you get one. This fan base HAS to get over the fear of drafting a QB no matter what the so called "experts" say. I would love to see this team draft two QB's early like the Redskins did last year. Treat the QB position as if it is the D line position. Stop being so damn affraid to get the next Flacco or Kaepernick just because they aren't the same as Luck or RG3. All fans who don't like addressing our biggest hole with the 1st pick should really be purged and exiled from the fan base foreveh |
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Who gives a **** about the hall? Reminds me of Peeholis dumbassed comment about players going to the pro bowl and teams winning ships....blahblahblah analrape....
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Who was protecting Joe Flacco's blindside?
Fat **** McKinnie. |
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sigh....some people just cant accept the facts.
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I'm convinced that even if Andrew Luck was sitting there for us to take with the first pick this fan base would find reasons not to take him. Chiefs would trade out and we would miss out on the best QB prospect in ten years or life time opportunity.
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