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Deberg_1990 01-12-2018 06:50 AM

Stats are fine, I get it. I only know what my eyes tell me. His defenses aren’t very tough and always give up critical first downs and key third down plays. There is no way I trust a Sutton defense in a key situation. They rely too much on turnovers which are unreliable at times.

mnchiefsguy 01-12-2018 07:50 AM

No one fears our defense.

I am tired of DB's playing 10 yards off of the WR on 3rd and 7.

I am tired of Sutton not making any adjustments and calling the same defense over and over again expecting different results.

Our 3rd down defense was the worst in the NFL, and it killed us in the playoff game.

Bob Sutton's defense routinely gives up a first down on 3rd and 10, 3rd and 12.....etc.

When you cannot stop anyone on 3rd and long, let along 3rd and anything else, you need to make changes.

Reerun_KC 01-12-2018 07:55 AM

He should be fired from a season of complete misuse of our $130m pass rusher.

*franchise pass rusher needs restructured or traded. Not worth the coin.

tmax63 01-12-2018 07:56 AM

His defenses always looks soft and they have dropped in the ppg stat you're using every year since 2014. That's one of the few defensive stats that KC looks good in. Other threads talk about a divorce between coaches and QB's after 5 years if not successful, I think the same can be said about defensive schemes. After 5 years other teams have figured it out and got film on every variant. It's time to give other offenses something else to figure out.

mnchiefsguy 01-12-2018 08:09 AM

Increased PPG allowed every year.

Two of the worst blown leads in the history of the NFL. Consistently in the bottom 5 in yards allowed per game and 1st downs allowed.

Enough said, make the change.

KC_Lee 01-12-2018 08:09 AM

Three man fronts against 3rd an short...
Not moving our best coverage back (Peters) to match up against the oppositions best receiver...
Thinking that Hali has anything left in the tank and relying on him too much...
Not being able to scheme around critical injuries to key players, i.e. Berry...
Bend, and bend, and bend, and bend and hope you don't break before creating a turnover...


Like the old saying goes; "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

RunKC 01-12-2018 08:20 AM

Dorsey took the fall for this, and he was a big reason why the defense sucked.

Chiefnj2 01-12-2018 08:21 AM

I had been an ardent Sutton supporter until the end of this year.

Maybe someone like Sorter who knows the x's and o's 99% better than the rest of the board can give some insight, but it seemed to me like he stayed in nickle and dime packages even when we were getting absolutely gashed by the run. I have no clue why he didn't change it up.

I'm not sure what to think. The D seemed to get better with the addition of Revis the last quarter of the season. Does he really just need a player or two, or is he stubborn to a fault on scheme. I don't know.

I wish more announcers were like Romo and could explain what is going on and why things are working or not working.

dj56dt58 01-12-2018 08:22 AM

2017: 15th ppg
2016: 7th ppg.
2015: 3ppg

I see a pattern here..and it's not good

FloridaMan88 01-12-2018 08:51 AM

It is pathetic watching elements of the fanbase try to defend and justify continued mediocrity.

Bob Sutton should be fired... case closed.

PAChiefsGuy 01-12-2018 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj56dt58 (Post 13355777)
2017: 15th ppg
2016: 7th ppg.
2015: 3ppg

I see a pattern here..and it's not good

To be fair I think we all know now that losing Eric Berry this season hurt this defense a lot more than anyone expected.

You look at the Legion Of Boom when one of their star players goes down whether it is Kam, Thomas or Sherman - the defense isn't the same. Defense isn't like offense when it comes to injuries. It's a very hard in today's NFL to have a good defense if one of your star players goes down for a significant amount of time.

Gravedigger 01-12-2018 08:55 AM

Giving up two of the worst playoff comebacks of all time negates the stats. I don't think any fanbase would disagree and wouldn't be calling for his head at this point.

mlyonsd 01-12-2018 08:56 AM

I fear since Sutton still has his job at this point he's staying.

And one of my biggest frustrations with this organization is realized once again, they stick with something that's broke way too long.

Chiefnj2 01-12-2018 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 13355742)

I am tired of DB's playing 10 yards off of the WR on 3rd and 7.

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It's not my favorite, but that is how Peters plays CB. He reads the eyes of the QB and pays more attention to the backfield than the receiver. That's what makes Peters so good as a ballhawk. Lining up off the LOS is playing to his strength.

JoeyChuckles 01-12-2018 09:09 AM

His "bend but don't break" defense finally broke. Time to move on.


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