It's always a good time to bash that ****ing ****.

maybe people are just tired of watching boring football / product, and paying through the nose to do so.

i haven't been to a game since the Chiefs home playoff loss to the Ravens, and used to go to probably 3 games a year.

the home experience is just way way better IMO.
at least it's better when you factor in the cost to go to a game. and I would imagine the Chiefs are on the low-end of costs to attend a game. (no idea though).




**EDit....NM, Cochise pretty much covered the point I was trying to make.

- the 49ers have only had 5 seasons over .500 since 2000
- LA Rams are 5-12 since relocating, their last season over .500 was 2003
- Chargers have had 9 wins three times since 2010
- last year was the first time the Raiders had been better than .500 since 2002

There's been a metric ton of shitty football in California for a very long time.

They're going to have to lower ticket prices, period. It's simple economics. It seems to me that they could get ahead of the curve and lower ticket sales preemptively. Why wait for the market to sour so much that you are forced to lower them, and enthusiasm has waned?

Enthusiasm is still relatively high. You could make your desirable product more accessible, and maintain your momentum. Or you can bleed it dry and shutter your doors in 20 years.

Right...

Staying at home and watching the games is so, SO much better.
I'm headed to the Chiefs/Chargers game in LA next week and had to pay out the nose for it ($170/ticket).

I won't be doing that next year.

last night, my wife (who is playing fantasy football for the first time ever with some work friends) said "Joe Mixon is on my bench and has only gotten me 2 points so far. but he's on my bench so, I guess that's no big deal'.


after hearing that I remember thinking ".....man...there's a football game on tonight"? lol. no shit.

Think about all the 'great games' on NFL films from the 60s, 70s, 80s. Visualize them in your head... take a few minutes.

Ok, did you see old, outdoor stadiums in the elements with Joe Sixpack and all his buddies face painting and having a blast in the stands? Hell yeah you did, and you've nailed so much of what I think the problem is today.

That new ATL stadium and all the others... it's so damn expensive to go to a game. Single game cheap seats are crazy.

It would cost me $100 per ticket to take my family of 5 to the Cowboys/Rams game in a few weeks... really? And, that's up at the highest and furthest away from the action. Don't forget parking and crazy priced food. Call it $550 with no food or drinks. $700 with all that and I'm not sure if I would pay that price to see Dallas/Denver. Maybe I'm just a cheap bastard, but damn that's insane.

It's like that everywhere. No thanks.

As with most things, it's the internet and big screen TVs.

I'm sure the Fade moving out of Cali and announcing it years ahead of time will help this problem too.

Great take, spot on.

Plus, think about all the money that goes into fantasy football. It always comes back to money.

The NFL could die off, or go to a PPV scenario, or some other method where they're not on TV anymore, and I seriously don't think I would be all that upset by it. Yes, it would suck not watching the Chiefs (the only really team I follow anyway), but oh well. If you would've told me 10 years ago I'd have that opinion of the NFL, I would've said you're crazy. I used to play my entire weekends around football.

Now I get more enjoyment watching NCAA games at random / good matchups, and have my Sundays pretty much free again.


and though i used to be a fanatical FF player, I haven't played in probably nearly a decade. and I think the game has evolved to cater to fantasy football. all the FF segments on pre-games, entire FF programs, etc, I think has alot to do with it. An entire generation of people are only interested in the NFL to see how many points they got each week, and don't really have a passion for a particular team.

The other problem is these stadiums are becoming mini-amusement parks... why the hell is it necessary to have great Wifi for a 3 hour game? Go to the Cowboys' stadium and on the levels with restaurants and bars, you'll see people that spent great money for their suite... sitting in the atrium club or the Jack Daniels bar watching the game on a TV screen. Dumbasses with too much money.

I've never understood why people would pay that kind of money to watch the game on a TV screen from inside the stadium. Or in a suite, even.

When you turn on your tv and they're talking about football they're always talking about concussions, sitting during the national anthem, or a team holding a city hostage for money.

Nobody wants to spend a ton of time or money on that shit.

Mark Cuban was right.