Marketing wins championships.

I assume the "etc." doesn't include the refs, because you would need one or probably more to pull off what you are describing.

You didn't mention or defend the Touhy guy in the OP's video, but he seems to be the go-to expert on this topic. He says something like, "the refs don't even need to be told by the NFL what to do--they just know." WTF is that?

The easiest way to know Touhy is full of shit is that he always claims that fixing of games by the NFL isn't even illegal, so of course they take advantage of this. It would be very illegal.

Is there not holding on every play ?

At some point in the game you can throw your flag and it can determine or alter a games outcome, to say that no ref has taking money or has received some kind of comp to give and edge to another team to give them a better chance to win
or to say that not one game ever has been altered or an edge given to another team knowingly by a ref or refs is stupid.
They are human and they will and can make shitty calls at the right time be it money or friends or the hot ass BJ he received just before the game not every ref has the upmost integrity.

NBA had some shit refs back in the day

No it's not, the NFL has a loophole, it says on the ticket that you're paying to see a football game, it doesn't have to be a FAIR game. It's entertainment, they aren't liable in court.

Would it? What law do you have in mind?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsvmcc6tzE0 part 2 right here.


i like tuohy but how did he get access to all these FBI files? Also, I'm sorry but Ritchie looks pissed off and knows something we don't.

That game got me a personal "Way to go" from Rob Riggle.

I don't.
just because I smell dog shit but can't find the turd, doesn't mean the dog shit doesn't exist.

NFL is entertainment. which is one of the reasons my interest has wained to the point where I only watch the Chiefs games any more.

The problem with your opinion on the subject is that you don't know what you're talking about. However, you think that you do and that's the worst position to be in regardless of the subject matter...Do us all a favor and go educate yourself on the law and then come back and discuss this topic again. You just might learn something...

Bingo! Hey Cosmo, I'd start (and end) with this...

And the refs who were just on strike for more money are to be trusted with this multimillion dollar secret?

A better analogy: Just because you think the dog must have shit in your yard because you have a feeling that the damn dog must have done so, doesn't mean that a dog shit in your yard.

Find the turd and you'll have a better argument.

What?

manipulated,massaged,influenced aren't the same as fixed

I absolutely think that refs subconsciously favor big names in all the sports. I also think that the league wants to give big markets the best chance for success.

Any real conspiracy group would have to be very small or someone would talk, it's just human nature. No way would players,officials keep their mouth shut forever ... they would write a book or blackmail the league endlessly.

No it doesn't. That's just ****ing stupid.

But even using your ticket "loophole," a football "game" implies that it is an actual competitive, fair game. If it had a determined outcome, it would be a performance.