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siberian khatru 06-28-2017 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 12935541)
OK, so Soler is coming back. I am fine with that as long as that means that Moss sits and Boni stays in the lineup.

Knowing Ned, he'll sit Boni and put Soler in RF just so people won't think this move was about Moss.

Jerok 06-28-2017 02:02 PM

Anyone curious about adding Miguel Montero?

https://kckingdom.com/2017/06/26/roy...ty-trade-talk/

We need a bat. 7 million 1 year is better than trading pieces away for one. This would be a huge upgrade, and since he's a catcher and most teams DH aren't absolutely god awful, I doubt too many teams would go after him.

big nasty kcnut 06-28-2017 02:06 PM

No moss in lineup tonight.

penbrook 06-28-2017 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerok (Post 12935590)
Anyone curious about adding Miguel Montero?

https://kckingdom.com/2017/06/26/roy...ty-trade-talk/

We need a bat. 7 million 1 year is better than trading pieces away for one. This would be a huge upgrade, and since he's a catcher and most teams DH aren't absolutely god awful, I doubt too many teams would go after him.

He is ****ing terrible. Don't want him at all or anywhere near the clubhouse. It will **** with the Royals chemistry. He is a selfish player. He called out areieta yesterday for the Nats stealing 7 bases. Like come on dude you are 1 for 32 on throwing runners out. You're the problem!!

penbrook 06-28-2017 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by big nasty kcnut (Post 12935596)
No moss in lineup tonight.

What does the lineup look like?

C3HIEF3S 06-28-2017 02:13 PM

Per Dodd:

Royals Tonight:
Merrifield 4
Bonifacio 9
Cain 8
Hosmer 3
Perez 2
Moustakas 5
Soler DH
Escobar 6
Gordon 7

RHP Kennedy

big nasty kcnut 06-28-2017 02:16 PM

I like it.

C3HIEF3S 06-28-2017 02:24 PM

I don't know who listens to 610 anymore, but dear lord. I wasn't the biggest Danny Parkins fan, but this Brad Fanning dude who replaced him is a complete moron.

duncan_idaho 06-28-2017 02:25 PM

It's getting really close to my dream lineup.

If Soler hits like we hope he can, I'd love to see him inserted into the No. 2 slot in the lineup eventually.

That would put three really good OBP guys on baseball in front of Moustakas and also cluster the Royals' six best hitters.


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Rooster 06-28-2017 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S (Post 12935603)
Per Dodd:

Royals Tonight:
Merrifield 4
Bonifacio 9
Cain 8
Hosmer 3
Perez 2
Moustakas 5
Soler DH
Escobar 6
Gordon 7

RHP Kennedy

:clap: I like it. Let's go tiger hunting.

duncan_idaho 06-28-2017 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S (Post 12935611)
I don't know who listens to 610 anymore, but dear lord. I wasn't the biggest Danny Parkins fan, but this Brad Fanning dude who replaced him is a complete moron.


And yet is still only the third dumbest guy doing drive time shows in the KC area.

Kietzman and Clinkscale being dumbest and second-dumbest, respectively.


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C3HIEF3S 06-28-2017 03:05 PM

If you have a few minutes to spare and are genuinely curious about the juiced ball theory, Rob Arthur of FiveThirtyEight just dropped this bad boy:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...cid=538twitter

Highly recommend clicking the link.

Spoiler!

duncan_idaho 06-28-2017 03:17 PM

Those seem difference could help explain a few other things... namely spikes or drops in effectiveness of pitches that require the pitcher to spin the ball.

Kelvin Herrera's slider, for example, has nose-dived in effectiveness this year. Is the smaller, slicker, less-seamed ball to blame?

Conversely, Joakim Soria's split change has spiked in effectiveness. A smaller ball could allow him just a touch more control or effectiveness with that grip.

I still say KC made the right switch in moving from a contact-oriented approach to one that focuses more on power hitting. With the baseballs like this, you're crippled if you don't.


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C3HIEF3S 06-28-2017 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12935670)
Those seem difference could help explain a few other things... namely spikes or drops in effectiveness of pitches that require the pitcher to spin the ball.

Kelvin Herrera's slider, for example, has nose-dived in effectiveness this year. Is the smaller, slicker, less-seamed ball to blame?

Conversely, Joakim Soria's split change has spiked in effectiveness. A smaller ball could allow him just a touch more control or effectiveness with that grip.

I still say KC made the right switch in moving from a contact-oriented approach to one that focuses more on power hitting. With the baseballs like this, you're crippled if you don't.


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In regards to spin rate, how much of a dive in the rate itself is enough to warrant a drop in effectiveness? Of the data that Baseball Savant has, it shows that on average he is getting less RPM's on his slider, but it's not a particularly drastic amount. It was somewhere between 75-100 less than in 2016. Upon looking at the RPM vs MPH map again, it looks like Baseball Savant credited a lot of his sliders as curveballs last year, which were dismissed from the data I averaged, so this could be varied more.In your experience, is that drop itself enough to knock the bite off of a slider?

I also noticed he's throwing his slider at 86-89 mph, rather than 82-85 in 2016. IMO, I think the increased velocity and decrease in movement is essentially making it act like a flat cutter that dies in heart of the plate.

Location 2016:
https://s7.postimg.org/lsqx34m7v/Scr...4.42.08_PM.png

Location 2017:
https://s12.postimg.org/g2spp9wt9/Sc...4.41.14_PM.png

Velocity- note the slider, average in 2016: 83.95 mph, average in 2017: 86.89 mph:
https://s18.postimg.org/e15vnsg89/chart_19.png

All data from Baseball Savant.

duncan_idaho 06-28-2017 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S (Post 12935701)
In regards to spin rate, how much of a dive in the rate itself is enough to warrant a drop in effectiveness? Of the data that Baseball Savant has, it shows that on average he is getting less RPM's on his slider, but it's not a particularly drastic amount. It was somewhere between 75-100 less than in 2016. In your experience, is that drop itself enough to knock the bite off of a slider?

I also noticed he's throwing his slider at 86-89 mph, rather than 82-85 in 2016. IMO, I think the increased velocity and decrease and movement is essentially making it act like a flat cutter that dies in heart of the plate.

Location 2016:
https://s7.postimg.org/lsqx34m7v/Scr...4.42.08_PM.png

Location 2017:
https://s12.postimg.org/g2spp9wt9/Sc...4.41.14_PM.png

Velocity- note the slider, average in 2016: 83.95 mph, average in 2017: 86.89 mph:
https://s18.postimg.org/e15vnsg89/chart_19.png

All data from Baseball Savant.


I don't know about spin rate, but I can speak to the velocity, I think.

If he's throwing the slider with the same grip and less raised seams, it's possible he isn't getting the same type of resistance from the baseball. I suppose that could affect spin rate, and I know from experience that it can really affect your ability to get the break and velocity drop you want.

Typically, on a slider, less velocity is going to give the rotation/air resistance more time to affect the ball's drop.

Personal story that kind of relates:

I remember one travel ball game in Southeast Missouri, forget which town, might be Jackson, in which the balls were so poker (home team provided the balls) we had to work something out with the throw to second to make sure I got a ball with seams I could use to throw my slider.

Basically, we had the SS hang on to his final practice bouncer from 1B and switch the balls during the throw down.




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