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OnTheWarpath15 02-22-2013 10:31 AM
Starts is all that matters. Why judge a guy when hes not playing?

Granted, it's probably not easy to come up with W/L record for linemen in starts, but I'm guessing the numbers aren't much different.

More QB's will have a winning record with their original teams than OT's.

patteeu 02-22-2013 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 9425096)
The Panthers were 30-34 when Collins was on the team, Falcons were 47-48-1 with Vick, 49ers were 61-66-1 with Smith. You probably have starts, while I'm going by team record while they were on the roster, because starts don't work so well to compare guys like DTs.
OK, that could be the discrepancy. Yes, I'm using starts.

MagicHef 02-22-2013 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9425120)
Starts is all that matters. Why judge a guy when hes not playing?
Because I'm trying to gauge the effect on the overall team. If your top 5 pick isn't playing, that's a problem that needs to be taken into account, whatever the reason. It shouldn't be glossed over.

htismaqe 02-22-2013 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 9425132)
Because I'm trying to gauge the effect on the overall team. If your top 5 pick isn't playing, that's a problem that needs to be taken into account, whatever the reason. It shouldn't be glossed over.
Yep.

OnTheWarpath15 02-22-2013 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 9425132)
Because I'm trying to gauge the effect on the overall team. If your top 5 pick isn't playing, that's a problem that needs to be taken into account, whatever the reason. It shouldn't be glossed over.
Fair enough.

As I said, it's not going to change anything. More QB's will have a winning record than OT's.

O.city 02-22-2013 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9425145)
Fair enough.

As I said, it's not going to change anything. More QB's will have a winning record than OT's.
But not more pro bowl appearances.

htismaqe 02-22-2013 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9425148)
But not more pro bowl appearances.
You should go over to the NFLDC forum. They are absolutely lighting up some guy for using pro bowl appearances as a measuring stick...

OnTheWarpath15 02-22-2013 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 9425096)
The Panthers were 30-34 when Collins was on the team, Falcons were 47-48-1 with Vick, 49ers were 61-66-1 with Smith. You probably have starts, while I'm going by team record while they were on the roster, because starts don't work so well to compare guys like DTs.
So taking those three off the list, we'd be looking at 11/26 - or 42%

Not sure where you're getting 38%

MagicHef 02-22-2013 10:40 AM
But... um... I'm not sure what happened to Bledsoe. He kinda got jobbed somehow. Here's the updated list:

LB 67%
CB 50%
QB 42%
RB 46 %
OT 21%
DE 20%
DT 11%
WR 10%
S 0%

MagicHef 02-22-2013 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9425156)
So taking those three off the list, we'd be looking at 11/26 - or 42%

Not sure where you're getting 38%
Yep. I was too slow posting my new list.

OnTheWarpath15 02-22-2013 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9425153)
You should go over to the NFLDC forum. They are absolutely lighting up some guy for using pro bowl appearances as a measuring stick...
Because it's a ridiculous measuring stick.

The fans have a say in it, FFS. Guys 6-7 down the list get in due to injuries and SB appearances.

The Pro Bowl means NOTHING. It's a free trip to Hawaii, and nothing more.

htismaqe 02-22-2013 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9425167)
Because it's a ridiculous measuring stick.

The fans have a say in it, FFS. Guys 6-7 down the list get in due to injuries and SB appearances.

The Pro Bowl means NOTHING. It's a free trip to Hawaii, and nothing more.
Yep.

MagicHef 02-22-2013 11:18 AM
The LBs surprise me. Mainly because the majority of those guys weren't really pass rushers.

Reaper16 02-22-2013 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 9425305)
The LBs surprise me. Mainly because the majority of those guys weren't really pass rushers.
My guess is that they were complimentary pieces. That successful, winning teams picked them because they already had a proven core.

htismaqe 02-22-2013 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 9425305)
The LBs surprise me. Mainly because the majority of those guys weren't really pass rushers.
A lot of them went to good teams that had an uncharacteristic down year, I'd be willing to bet.

Like Jerrod Mayo.


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