Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 10701834)

I've been busier than **** and just got around to seeing this. What an episode. Man. I really thought Jamie or Cersi would kill Tywin. That whole scene was spectacular. I didn't catch that Shae was working for Tywin this whole time. Brutal. Awful. And then Tyrian killed her. Awesome.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10701872)

I don't believe she was. She just betrayed Tyrion partially out of self-preservation/improving her status and also because she believed he chose Sansa over her.


I wish we had seen more of Mance over the last two seasons. Maybe next year (if Stannis doesn't have him killed in the meantime).

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 10701967)

One thing that did bug me is when Stannis asked Jon What his dad would do, he said he was prisoner and blah blah blah. Mance was a deserter. Ned Stark chops his head off. See the opening scene of the series. It stinks of sloppy writing. But we haven't seen anything sloppy from these guys yet. I'm hoping it's intentional. If it's just a a tool to keep Mance alive, it's lame.

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 10701967)

One thing that did bug me is when Stannis asked Jon What his dad would do, he said he was prisoner and blah blah blah. Mance was a deserter. Ned Stark chops his head off. See the opening scene of the series. It stinks of sloppy writing. But we haven't seen anything sloppy from these guys yet. I'm hoping it's intentional. If it's just a a tool to keep Mance alive, it's lame.

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 10701834)

This. And the irony is just too much to pass up. My god. The symmetry of the irony is beyond beautiful.

I've been busier than **** and just got around to seeing this. What an episode. Man. I really thought Jamie or Cersi would kill Tywin. That whole scene was spectacular. I didn't catch that Shae was working for Tywin this whole time. Brutal. Awful. And then Tyrian killed her. Awesome.

I was legitimately sad about the hound. What a brutal way to go (what a fight scene btw!). He was mired in Douchery, but I had come to like him. And Arya killing that fat bastard that said he was going to rape her through the heart, but leaving Sandor to bleed out because he wanted to watch over her (no one left to give him gold for her). Wow. That's really something.

Not real sure what Stannis is going to do now, although when that wildling took a run at him and got absolutely mowed down by a knight at full tilt, I laughed hard. My guess is he gets crunched by the white walkers.

That scene between Jon and Mance was spectacular. Really really good. Really added a lot of depth to Mance's character and cause.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10702022)

Am pretty sure that was Jon doing Mance a favor for someone he likes and respects, who was merciful to him when he didn't have to be.

No doubt that Ned Stark would have been taking Mance Rayder to the chopping block.

Robb, too.

Hmmm. One of these men is still alive... surely it's just a coincidence that Starks who learn to sometimes place practicality above honor and always doing the right thing live while Starks who don't, die...

Originally Posted by Aries Walker (Post 10702059)

I'm wondering how Stannis knew which one was the King of the North. I can only imagine he asked directions from one of the Wildlings his army was currently brutalizing.

"Yeah, he's right over there. The scruffy looking one, unshaven with the shaggy hair. He's the one wearing all fur. Can't miss him."

Originally Posted by Aries Walker (Post 10702059)

I'm wondering how Stannis knew which one was the King of the North. I can only imagine he asked directions from one of the Wildlings his army was currently brutalizing.

"Yeah, he's right over there. The scruffy looking one, unshaven with the shaggy hair. He's the one wearing all fur. Can't miss him."

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10702022)

Am pretty sure that was Jon doing Mance a favor for someone he likes and respects, who was merciful to him when he didn't have to be.

No doubt that Ned Stark would have been taking Mance Rayder to the chopping block.

Robb, too.

Hmmm. One of these men is still alive... surely it's just a coincidence that Starks who learn to sometimes place practicality above honor and always doing the right thing live while Starks who don't, die...

Originally Posted by Hawk (Post 10702075)

Good catch on the total irony of Dany's situation. She went from freeing slaves and breaking chains, to allowing slaves again (granted, at their own request), and chaining up her dragons. She has discovered that ruling is hard, and moral dilemmas are not always black and white.

The Hound is one I always wonder about. Left for dead is not the same as dead. Maybe he's only mostly dead...mostly dead is still partly alive! GRRM is a Princess Bride fan and already paid homage with the fight scene where the Red Viper channeled Inigo Montoya. Anyway, when I see the Hound's dead body, then I'll believe it.

That fight scene with the Hound and Brienne was totally kick ass though, the sheer brutality of it was great, and Brienne biting his ear off and then screaming like a crazed maniac when she pummeled him off the cliff...loved it!

Originally Posted by Hawk (Post 10702190)

Man, the show (like book 3 does) has gone on a major killing spree the last two seasons. Some great characters...and great actors/actresses no longer on the show:

Catelyn
Robb
Joffrey
Tywin
Lisa Arryn
Oberyn
Ygritte
Shae
Jojen
Lord Commander Mormont
Hound??

Those are some key losses, and I will especially miss Joffrey, Tywin, Oberyn and the Hound on the show, as they were all excellent.

There will be some new characters coming in next season, I hope they are as good as the Red Viper was this season. A handful of Dornish characters will have to be introduced. Prince Doran (Older brother of Oberyn and his sister Elia who was raped and killed by the Mountain), Prince Doran's kids, Prince Doran's main bodyguard, several of the sand snakes (the daughters of Oberyn), etc.

They may also get more into the Iron Islands story with Balon Greyjoy and his brothers that have not been shown yet, Euron and Victarion.

And Arya's and Tyrion's journeys should result in a few added characters as well. It was kind of striking how Tyrion sailed off in the dead of night locked in a box and probably freaking out about killing Shae and his dad, but Arya sailed off in the daylight sitting at the front of the boat excited about her possibilities.

Originally Posted by Fried Meat Ball! (Post 10702195)

I'm not convinced the Hound is dead. Left for dead ain't dead. But definitely hate the loss of Tywin and Oberyn.

Originally Posted by Hawk (Post 10702075)

That fight scene with the Hound and Brienne was totally kick ass though, the sheer brutality of it was great, and Brienne biting his ear off and then screaming like a crazed maniac when she pummeled him off the cliff...loved it!