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cosmo20002 08-15-2022 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Zebedee DuBois (Post 16414105)
I think the series landed well.

He had decided he would work his butt off to get his sentence reduced as much as possible and had succeeded.
Then he finds out Kim had fully confessed.
Then on the plane he finds out Kim was civilly exposed from Howard's widow who wanted some justice.
He orchestrates a new hearing, arranges to have Kim present, and then falls on his sword - so that Howard's widow will have a sense that someone is paying a price for his death and maybe leaves Kim alone.
He becomes a prison celebrity.

And he fell on his sword FOR NO PURPOSE. Volunteered for an additional 80 years in prison for no reason. No one would do that, and certainly not him.

Whatever is going to happen to Kim is still going to happen. She confessed voluntarily. She's not getting off because of anything he did. Ridiculous conclusion.

Demonpenz 08-15-2022 08:59 PM

What was with the cherry of the cig being in color. Mishap in the editing room?

Demonpenz 08-15-2022 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 16414127)
And he fell on his sword FOR NO PURPOSE. Volunteered for an additional 80 years in prison for no reason. No one would do that, and certainly not him.

Whatever is going to happen to Kim is still going to happen. She confessed voluntarily. She's not getting off because of anything he did. Ridiculous conclusion.

I was excited he got the sentence down then he blew it.

stumppy 08-15-2022 09:02 PM

Sigh.........I could use a smoke right about now.

Damn fine ending. For some reason or another I think I can see a future for Jimmy and Kim.

Zebedee DuBois 08-15-2022 09:09 PM

He had been self-sabotaging ever since he got made. it was not one mistake that got him caught, but an endless series of them. Sort of triggered by his phone call with Kim.

*I think* he would have stuck to his plan if he thought Kim was still morally compromised, telling her on the phone not to judge him, after all she hasn't come clean.

And then she did. And that changed his perspective.

Disclaimer: They are all fictional characters - who the heck know what any of them would do and what their motivations are.

RaidersOftheCellar 08-15-2022 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 16414127)
And he fell on his sword FOR NO PURPOSE. Volunteered for an additional 80 years in prison for no reason. No one would do that, and certainly not him.

Whatever is going to happen to Kim is still going to happen. She confessed voluntarily. She's not getting off because of anything he did. Ridiculous conclusion.

I think you missed the point.

cosmo20002 08-15-2022 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16414146)
I think you missed the point.

Apparently. Explain it.

mr. tegu 08-15-2022 09:32 PM

Better Call Saul
 
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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 16414153)
Apparently. Explain it.


He’s claiming he fed Kim the information about Hamlin and because she has no evidence she knew or was present for any of it the civil suit would actually be more appropriately brought on Saul should one be brought. And if Kim is sued it’s her word against Saul, who might actually have evidence or more direct knowledge anyways.

Baby Lee 08-15-2022 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Zebedee DuBois (Post 16414139)
He had been self-sabotaging ever since he got made. it was not one mistake that got him caught, but an endless series of them. Sort of triggered by his phone call with Kim.

*I think* he would have stuck to his plan if he thought Kim was still morally compromised, telling her on the phone not to judge him, after all she hasn't come clean.

And then she did. And that changed his perspective.

Disclaimer: They are all fictional characters - who the heck know what any of them would do and what their motivations are.

The entire premise of the show is whether you can change your basic nature.

Gus sublimated his nature [personal attachments] to pursue his business vision.

Over the greater story arc, Mike eased his nature to his detriment.

Walter's arc was about how his fierce protection of his family's interests masked his fundamental narcissism and greed, and how upping the stakes in his effort to provide for his family unmasked those fundamental traits.

Kim fundamentally changed her nature in a snap when the depth of the consequences was presented to her.

And Jimmy/Saul has been dealing with the intractability of his nature and how it both enables his 'greatness' and sows the seeds for his inevitable downfall.

James McGill's decision to throw away his negotiated sweet deal was not much different from Kim revoking her law license and becoming a marketer in suburban Florida.

It's not about what he could have 'accomplished' by sticking with his story. It's about finally deciding to break with a part of his nature no one thought he could to erase regrets and discard constant musings of time machines.

The 7 years mean he CAN still do what he sets his mind to. . . The 80 years means just because he can doesn't mean he is compelled to by his nature.

That difference is more important to him than the expected and dreaded prospect of 'victory.' It means those who saw his potential for brilliance but feared his potential for malicious use of that brilliance, were wrong about his potential for change.

This is how he wins.

cosmo20002 08-15-2022 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 16414167)
He’s claiming he fed Kim the information about Hamlin and because she has no evidence she knew or was present for any of it the civil suit would actually be more appropriately brought on Saul should one be brought. And if Kim is sued it’s her word against Saul, who might actually have evidence or more direct knowledge anyways.

She voluntarily confessed. So to claim that she voluntarily confessed to things she didn't actually do...Ridiculous.

At best, he took an additional 80 years in prison because he thought it MIGHT help Kim (which isn't reasonable to believe in the first place).

Kim's confession in the first place was ridiculous. I'm sure she felt really bad about what happened, but when no one's after you, you don't turn yourself in. It's not believable human behavior by either of them.

chiefzilla1501 08-15-2022 10:26 PM

Few weeks ago I commented about how the show wrapped up all the huge story lines with a few episodes to go. No loose ends. Several episodes to get to a point many shows would have hurried into one finale. Feel pretty good about my prediction. It did indeed end up being a very satisfying ending. From start to finish, maybe one of the best paced shows from beginning all the way to the end. I thought they had one bombshell left but turns out they didn't need one. Simple but satisfying ending.

chiefzilla1501 08-15-2022 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 16414173)
The entire premise of the show is whether you can change your basic nature.

Gus sublimated his nature [personal attachments] to pursue his business vision.

Over the greater story arc, Mike eased his nature to his detriment.

Walter's arc was about how his fierce protection of his family's interests masked his fundamental narcissism and greed, and how upping the stakes in his effort to provide for his family unmasked those fundamental traits.

Kim fundamentally changed her nature in a snap when the depth of the consequences was presented to her.

And Jimmy/Saul has been dealing with the intractability of his nature and how it both enables his 'greatness' and sows the seeds for his inevitable downfall.

James McGill's decision to throw away his negotiated sweet deal was not much different from Kim revoking her law license and becoming a marketer in suburban Florida.

It's not about what he could have 'accomplished' by sticking with his story. It's about finally deciding to break with a part of his nature no one thought he could to erase regrets and discard constant musings of time machines.

The 7 years mean he CAN still do what he sets his mind to. . . The 80 years means just because he can doesn't mean he is compelled to by his nature.

That difference is more important to him than the expected and dreaded prospect of 'victory.' It means those who saw his potential for brilliance but feared his potential for malicious use of that brilliance, were wrong about his potential for change.

This is how he wins.

Nice. Solid write up.

Sure-Oz 08-15-2022 10:29 PM

Great way to end it. I'm really gonna miss watching this show.

notorious 08-15-2022 10:37 PM

If you wanted a real-world ending, he would have taken the 7 years and figured out another way to get Kim out of harm's way.

Decent enough, it didn't soil the series at all, I just don't see him doing it the way he did.

Still one of the best shows this decade. Gilligan is awesome.

RunKC 08-15-2022 10:38 PM

Jimmy’s back and has atoned for his sins. I was wrong there. Amazing.

This was never gonna be Felina. You just can’t top that. But this was good. It took a different turn and still did what I thought


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