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Kaylore 09-18-2014 10:49 AM

W. (name withheld) broke this down really well. One thing it shows is Alex Smith and Reid have adjusted the offense and it's execution to allow Smith to get rid of the ball and make plays before the sieve on your left side breaks.

The down is it looks like another top three pick, in this case first overall, didn't go your way. It's odd that the Chiefs keep using top tier picks on "safe" choices that end up not panning out. I mean if you guys drafted risky picks that busted, you'd never hear the end of it. But it is possible to be too safe. You could argue rounds 3-5 are the time to take risks.

I went back and looked at all the tackles that were taken in the top 3 since 1990. There aren't many. From 1990-2000 there were three and they were all excellent: Tony Boselli, Orlando Pace and Chris Samuels. All three were all-pro at least once and were multiple pro bowl selections.

From 2001 on things get worse. Robert Gallery, Joe Thomas, Jake Long and Jason Smith. Two were busts. One could be a HOF candidate. Jake Long is not bad, but the players drafted after him at the same position are all doing better.

It's still too early to say for Fisher, Joeckel and obviously Greg Robinson, but it's not looking great for all three as they've all had a host of problems. I should point out the Rams drafted Jason Smith and now have Jake Long - and they drafted Greg Robinson who was moved to guard and then is now playing behind another player. It must be a Missouri thing to suck at drafting top tackles?

LoneWolf 09-18-2014 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 10925523)
W. (name withheld) broke this down really well. One thing it shows is Alex Smith and Reid have adjusted the offense and it's execution to allow Smith to get rid of the ball and make plays before the sieve on your left side breaks.

The down is it looks like another top three pick, in this case first overall, didn't go your way. It's odd that the Chiefs keep using top tier picks on "safe" choices that end up not panning out. I mean if you guys drafted risky picks that busted, you'd never hear the end of it. But it is possible to be too safe. You could argue rounds 3-5 are the time to take risks.

I went back and looked at all the tackles that were taken in the top 3 since 1990. There aren't many. From 1990-2000 there were three and they were all excellent: Tony Boselli, Orlando Pace and Chris Samuels. All three were all-pro at least once and were multiple pro bowl selections.

From 2001 on things get worse. Robert Gallery, Joe Thomas, Jake Long and Jason Smith. Two were busts. One could be a HOF candidate. Jake Long is not bad, but the players drafted after him at the same position are all doing better.

It's still too early to say for Fisher, Joeckel and obviously Greg Robinson, but it's not looking great for all three as they've all had a host of problems. I should point out the Rams drafted Jason Smith and now have Jake Long - and they drafted Greg Robinson who was moved to guard and then is now playing behind another player. It must be a Missouri thing to suck at drafting top tackles?

It must be great to be a fan of a franchise that drafts such awesome players like:

Peyton Manning
Wes Welker
Emmanuel Sanders
Aquib Talib
Demarcus Ware
T.J. Ward

Pasta Little Brioni 09-18-2014 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10925616)
It must be great to be a fan of a franchise that drafts such awesome players like:

Peyton Manning
Wes Welker
Emmanuel Sanders
Aquib Talib
Demarcus Ware
T.J. Ward

ROFL Gaylord knows his team is dirt without jughead

The Franchise 09-18-2014 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 10923233)
Without looking back with what is known now who would you have taken with the #1 overall? And who would you cut on the current team to pay Albert's Salary?

Cut? How about Chase Daniel and Anthony Fasano?

And who would I have drafted over Fisher? Pick a name: Dion Jordan, Barkevious Mingo, Sheldon Richardson.

You can sit there and claim that Jordan or Mingo would have been a reach....but I'd rather have either one of them over Fisher. Plus you don't how Jordan would have fit in here instead of Miami (who criminally under-utilized him his first year).

ThaVirus 09-18-2014 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 10923151)
This. He isn't playing good now, but if he comes around like Staley in a few years, you'll love having him.


With our luck, he'll be dog shit up until the final year of his contract. Then he'll turn All-Pro, just in time for us to extend him for $15 mil per year.

Sandy Vagina 09-18-2014 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10925721)
With our luck, he'll be dog shit up until the final year of his contract. Then he'll turn All-Pro, just in time for us to extend him for $15 mil per year.

With recent history considered, wouldn't KC just let him walk into FA once good and then draft another project that sucks for years? :(

mdchiefsfan 09-18-2014 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10925721)
With our luck, he'll be dog shit up until the final year of his contract. Then he'll turn All-Pro, just in time for us to extend him for $15 mil per year.

His extension will come after he beasts against a weak schedule and every teams best pass rusher goes down with an injury. Because Chiefs...

Kaylore 09-18-2014 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10925616)
It must be great to be a fan of a franchise that drafts such awesome players like:

Peyton Manning
Wes Welker
Emmanuel Sanders
Aquib Talib
Demarcus Ware
T.J. Ward

Yes, you have to sign other players too. We lost Knowshon and Decker, both our draft picks, to free agency. But we still have great players like Ryan Clady, Demaryius Thomas, Julius Thomas, Chris Harris, Danny Trevathan, Von Miller and Orlando Franklin. Bradley Roby is playing like stud already. And keep an eye on Lerentee McCray and Quentarus Smith.

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 10925707)
ROFL Gaylord knows his team is dirt without jughead

Is this supposed to make me feel bad? "HAHA! YOU HAVE A HOF QB! IF HE WERE GONE, YOU WOULD SUCK!" And it's not even true. We'd be a .500 football team without Manning. Shoot we werea .500 football team with Tim Tebow at QB and we won the division.

Sorter 09-18-2014 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 10926224)
Yes, you have to sign other players too. We lost Knowshon and Decker, both our draft picks, to free agency. But we still have great players like Ryan Clady, Demaryius Thomas, Julius Thomas, Chris Harris, Danny Trevathan, Von Miller and Orlando Franklin. Bradley Roby is playing like stud already. And keep an eye on Lerentee McCray and Quentarus Smith.
.

Me gusta Quant. Smith.


Me. Gusta.

BigMeatballDave 09-18-2014 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 10926224)
Yes, you have to sign other players too. We lost Knowshon and Decker, both our draft picks, to free agency. But we still have great players like Ryan Clady, Demaryius Thomas, Julius Thomas, Chris Harris, Danny Trevathan, Von Miller and Orlando Franklin. Bradley Roby is playing like stud already. And keep an eye on Lerentee McCray and Quentarus Smith

Great players? LOL Okay.

A few very good players, and some JAGs.

Hammock Parties 09-18-2014 05:10 PM

Good to see a Broncos fan over here. Kaylore, do you think Eric Fisher looks like a guy who could be a top 10 LT?

BigMeatballDave 09-18-2014 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 10926224)
Is this supposed to make me feel bad? "HAHA! YOU HAVE A HOF QB! IF HE WERE GONE, YOU WOULD SUCK!" And it's not even true. We'd be a .500 football team without Manning. Shoot we werea .500 football team with Tim Tebow at QB and we won the division.

Whoa, dude.

You nearly lost Sunday.

A good team would have clocked you.

BigMeatballDave 09-18-2014 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth (Post 10926329)
Good to see a Broncos fan over here. Kaylore, do you think Eric Fisher looks like a guy who could be a top 10 LT?

Fisher is playing like ass.

Find some other earth-shattering story to cover.

Kaylore 09-18-2014 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth (Post 10926329)
Good to see a Broncos fan over here. Kaylore, do you think Eric Fisher looks like a guy who could be a top 10 LT?

At this point, no. But it's still early. He is having neck issues. Having said that, my biggest worry would be his lack of balance. If he never gets his feet under him, and you get all your power from your legs and hips, he's never going to be able to anchor anything.

Hammock Parties 09-18-2014 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave (Post 10926342)
Fisher is playing like ass.

Find some other earth-shattering story to cover.

You have to realize why I came out of GIF'D UP retirement to make this thread. There was word going around these parts that Eric Fisher had played a good game. I set out to find the truth and here we are. Now we are free.


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