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Wallcrawler 03-22-2012 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by veist (Post 8483395)
Nothing really but time stopping you from building more, .

Yeah, until you consider that there's no way for them to get the resources required to build new Mass Relays. Earth still isnt technologically advanced as the other species in the galaxy, and with nowhere but a completely ravaged planet Earth to gather resources from, Im not seeing any Mass Relays being completed by that crack team of Crucible scientists.

They would have to hope for some way to communicate with the other star systems, and hope that a Mass Relay could be rebuilt with the resources they have, and then gather enough resources to build another one and do a one way trip through to earth to build that one.

Meanwhile, all this time going by has the Galactic Armada trying to keep from starving to death.

Not seeing it.

Destroying the Mass Relays was probably the absolute worst part of all of the endings. Cutting the Galaxy off from every other star system out there was ridiculous, and it negates all your decisions and actions that bring the galaxy together.

duncan_idaho 03-22-2012 11:58 AM

Spoiler!

keg in kc 03-22-2012 01:14 PM

I covered most of the indoctrination theory almost two weeks ago, check post 165.

I just don't buy that it's intentional. I think they may use it in the end, but I just don't believe they would stay silent through the PR nightmare that's been the last two weeks. For the simple reason that it's costing them not only in terms of reputation, but in money. Because not everybody pre-orders and not everybody buys day 1. And (supposedly at least) people have been returning the game, and refuse to replay it. I think with the literal flood of negative reactions, they would have made a definitive statement about it (and I believe that they in fact have, in saying several times that the ending is the ending).

I think the thing with (maybe) Patrick Weekes on the Penny Arcade forums was pretty interesting, and if it was him, pretty telling. But it may well not have been him. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you can read about it here. The text of the comments made by his Penny Arcade account (but maybe not him...) are spoiled below:
Spoiler!


I think the indoctrination theory is really interesting, and could result in something cool, but I'm of the belief that it's entirely coincidence, and if they do manage to salvage something from the ending, it's just dumb luck.

And if they make us PAY for the "real" ending to the game, I hope there's a shitstorm that makes the ending reaction now pale in comparison. If there is end DLC, it better damned well be free.

keg in kc 03-22-2012 01:32 PM

I should add this:

I think if we actually get end DLC in April then it was planned that way.

If end DLC is announced in April but we don't get it until months later, then it's reactionary. They may still try to say it's part of a plan at that point, but I'll never believe it.

I do think the fact that on one hand they announced well before release and in no uncertain terms that there would not be post-game DLC and on the other that there's no post-game save point indicates pretty strongly that the game ended as intended. Of course I do hope I'm wrong about that, and that this is all some super-genius swerve.

My guess is we won't even get the ending DLC first. I think we'll get the compaign to retake Omega for Aria before anything related to the end. That and whatever multiplayer component comes with it.

Frazod 03-22-2012 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 8484132)
I should add this:

I think if we actually get end DLC in April then it was planned that way.

If end DLC is announced in April but we don't get it until months later, then it's reactionary. They may still try to say it's part of a plan at that point, but I'll never believe it.

I do think the fact that on one hand they announced well before release and in no uncertain terms that there would not be post-game DLC and on the other that there's no post-game save point indicates pretty strongly that the game ended as intended. Of course I do hope I'm wrong about that, and that this is all some super-genius swerve.

My guess is we won't even get the ending DLC first. I think we'll get the compaign to retake Omega for Aria before anything related to the end. That and whatever multiplayer component comes with it.

I like the Omega idea. Is this just speculation, or have you heard something?

Aria one of my favorite characters. Seems like she'd be a great love interest for a Renegade Shepard as well. I like the little cutscene where he wakes up on the seat next to her after he's had too much to drink, and she's clearly being protective of him.

keg in kc 03-22-2012 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8484235)
I like the Omega idea. Is this just speculation, or have you heard something?

Aria one of my favorite characters. Seems like she'd be a great love interest for a Renegade Shepard as well. I like the little cutscene where he wakes up on the seat next to her after he's had too much to drink, and she's clearly being protective of him.

It's a popular rumor. I don't think there's anything definitive yet.

veist 03-22-2012 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 8484413)
It's a popular rumor. I don't think there's anything definitive yet.

Its kind of an elephant in the room plot hook, I'm not sure why else you'd write her into the game the way they did unless its because you wanted to do a retake Omega mission.

Wyatt Earp 03-22-2012 05:46 PM

Maybe I'm giving Bioware to much credit but I'm still thinking that the indoctrination is intentional. It's been a major theme in all 3 games and to me it's one of the reapers most powerful weapons. Here is a great video about the indoctrination theory. Won't imbed it due to spoilers, in case some have not finished or even played it yet.

*Spoilers*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_GkEBck

Third Eye 03-23-2012 02:13 PM

I've been avoiding this thread like the plague. I got a late start on 3 because I was finishing up a replay of the others, so I'm a little behind.

I'm probably half-way into this one, but I haven't yet figured out how the multiplayer ties in with the campaign. I have friends who have beaten it without doing any MP and they said it didn't seem to matter, but then I've heard from others that it does make a difference. I'm sure this has been discussed before, but in my efforts to avoid spoilers, I was hoping someone could fill me in on this.

keg in kc 03-23-2012 02:31 PM

The multiplayer raises your readiness, which means more of your war assets count toward your effective military strength. I think the only real difference is that it's harder to get a certain bonus scene at the end with a lower EMS. But basically, you don't need to play the multiplayer, it just means you can complete the game with fewer assets.

For what it's worth, I avoided the multiplayer like the plague the first week, and now I play it more than the singleplayer. It's...strangely addictive.

Third Eye 03-23-2012 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 8487281)
The multiplayer raises your readiness, which means more of your war assets count toward your effective military strength. I think the only real difference is that it's harder to get a certain bonus scene at the end with a lower EMS. But basically, you don't need to play the multiplayer, it just means you can complete the game with fewer assets.

For what it's worth, I avoided the multiplayer like the plague the first week, and now I play it more than the singleplayer. It's...strangely addictive.

Sounds like I may want to give it a go then, thanks!

Kraus 03-23-2012 09:14 PM

Multiplayer is a blast with friends. Randoms not so much.

keg in kc 03-24-2012 07:32 AM

I only play it with randoms. I only run bronze, though, aside from a few random silver games. No desire to ever run gold. My luck seems to be okay, though. The only time I ever fail is if somebody bails during the match. Although I did run one of them yesterday as a duo.

Saulbadguy 03-24-2012 01:37 PM

Just beat it. Not sure what just happened.

veist 03-24-2012 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 8489329)
Just beat it. Not sure what just happened.

That is really the biggest problem with the ending, its really stuck in the worst possible way between a sudden end and denouement.


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