We all know the Alex Smith trade not popular so aside from that what are your huge issues?

Do you think they should give Albert $9MM a year?

Who said anything about blindly accepting anything? Your argument essentially comes down to saying "Because we don't know that the LT is going to be HOF level, they should take a QB". That's the sort of stupid that needs to be prevented from reproducing.

I'm not blindly accepting that Reid and Dorsey are right, but there are several who are stubbornly refusing to admit that they could be.

I still want us to take Geno, even at 1.1. But that doesn't mean that any alternative, INCLUDING dealing Albert and taking Joeckel, is automatically or inherently wrong.

There's a lot of shouting about absolutes these days, and most of the draft philosophies only make sense in a vacuum. This is the draft class we have. these are the free agents available. These are the teams willing to trade with us. We can't operate outside of those parameters, just do the best you can with the hand you're dealt.

If they pass on Geno, then it will forever be Alex vs. Geno in the "is Reid a moron?" sweepstakes. If they take Geno, then I think they will have done more than enough to appease the fanbase that they are dedicated to winning. And more importantly, they should absolutely have an answer to the QB position on the roster at that point.

But if they don't take Geno, we should leave the pitchforks in the garage until these rookies actually step on the field.

Case in point why chiefsplanet should always take their meds. BiPolar DisOrder FTMFW bitches!!!

Not long ago we had just purged the ***** regime and pulled the greatest HC coup before anybody else could get Andy Reid on a plane out of Philly. And now it's all over before they can even execute one draft.

I don't want to be mistaken for a true fan or anything, just blindly excusing Dorsey/Reid and giving a free pass for over paying SanFran, but seriously lets see how this plays out the next few days before we flush just yet.

The only thing you absolutely need to win a Super Bowl is a franchise QB. If you don't have one of those, you aren't winning a Super Bowl. Tying yourself to a mediocre QB is a surefire way not to win a Super Bowl as long as that guy is your starter.

How many true franchise QBs have been available when the Chiefs have picked the last 30 years?

It was always so easy to say there wasn't a worthwhile QB available at their pick, when picking 15-22 except that pick, and this year.

I was hoping they would pick AR at the time, but this place was crazy about DJ, so it all seemed ok since I don't know much.

I have no idea why AR fell, as many thought he would go first overall instead of Alex Smith. Who knows, if the Chiefs had drafted AR, he might have been a bust under those circumstances. But at least they would have tried.

There are hundreds of people posting CP. One person being ecstatic over the hiring of Reid and me posting what you quoted doesn't make CP bipolar. It means there are a bunch of different posters on CP with a bunch of different opinions. My stance has always been that anything that puts us farther away from getting a franchise QB puts us farther away from winning a Super Bowl. The trade for Alex Smith drove me crazy.

Pretty much all true, unfortunately it does not in any way shape or form take into account where you are going to get said franchise QB.

The bet that is being made is that this draft class has no "franchise" type QB's.

That's what the evidence in front of me says anyway.

I think most of us probably remember Reid passing on Rickey Williams (wasn't it) and drafting McNabb, being booed loudly at the draft, etc.

I believe Andy Reid would have taken a QB if he had believed in any of them. Instead he believes in Smith.

He is a proven commodity as a head coach. Yes he has made mistakes over the years but I think coaches can learn from them, and if he's only as good as he has always been its still a good hire.

Joeckel and Alex Smiths' main shortcomings here are that they are not Geno.

I like the idea of resolving LT and QB in the same offseason. How often do you get credible long term solutions at both those positions in the same offseason?

I think Alex Smith's numbers since he got decent coaching in SF show is what he can do, and maybe he can do even more.

The future is looking pretty good and we've only just got the Pioli stank out of Arrowhead

No, my argument is that Geno's the best player in the draft.

Your argument is that he isn't and that the entire top of the draft is a crapshoot. I have responded to this argument by pointing out the absurdity in creating a hole in your roster in that environment. You continue to ignore that we have a left tackle already. Drafting a 'crapshoot' left tackle when you already have one is stupid - the end.

And if he's not a crapshoot left tackle, he'd damn well better be elite.

You honest to God think it's acceptable for a team to create a hole at LT and fill it with a marginal upgrade using the first overall pick in the draft?

And yes, all things being equal, when you already have a good player at LT and there is no standout talent available to you, you draft the guy that has the most potential to make you truly elite. On this team, that player is Geno Smith.

Or are you really going to try to argue that upgrading from Brandon Albert to Eric Fisher is what's going to springboard this franchise into championship contention?

Tying yourself into drafting for positional need and ignoring value is a surefire way to screw up your draft.

I do not know what they intend to do, but neither do you. Perhaps there's a real possibility a franchise QB can be selected in the 2nd round at a far better value than 1.1, so in their minds flipping Albert for that range of draft selection and taking a LT 1.1 is the better move.

I'm still hoping for a trade down to recoup that lost 2nd rounder, but if nobody wants to play, we take what they think fits best. I prefer Dion Jordan, but then again, that is the exact same "lateral" move with Hali already here, so does that mean they should just take Geno, even if they think ____ is eventually gonna be better and drafted far lower?

Who the heck knows?

If you have the first pick, and you don't have a franchise QB, you take the best QB in the draft. That doesn't mean that guy will turn into a franchise QB, but he is your best shot. It certainly gives you a better shot then if you manufacture a situation where you need to draft a player at a position of much less impact. The Chiefs NEVER draft QBs in the first round, and we NEVER even get close to the Super Bowl. This isn't a coincidence.

This, well said.

Not many places to hide this year ... they can have any QB they want.

If any of the top 3 or 4 ranked QB draftees go elsewhere and turn into an elite QB then the Chiefs blew it.

Geno Smith,Matt Barkley,E.J. Manuel ... even Tyler Wilson(imo)

What you're claiming have been my arguments haven't been my arguments at all, and you're now just making shit up. Also, your own post:

contradicts your claim.