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Prison Bitch 02-20-2017 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12749838)
It just depends on what teams are after. Look at that dumb-shit deal that Desmond got; Fowler's was only a little better.

Not to rehash that but Fowler has more upside than Cain. He's a year younger at FA and has twice as many HR. Fly ball distance, a proxy for power, has Fowler comfortably ahead of Cain every year save 2015 which was Cains aberration. They're both corner OF now so Cain doesn't bring that much incremental fielding.



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1-trick ponies weren't getting a damn thing in FA, especially if that trick was power, but all-around players (even supposed all-around players that aren't, like Desmond), were still getting deals for way too much and way too long.

If Cain can manage 550 ABs, someone's gonna offer him $80 million+ provided that he still plays superlative defense and can get in the 12-15 HR range with 20ish SBs.
If he gets 80M at age 31 after hitting 12HR as a corner OF, which he's going to play at least some this year and will in the future, I'll eat my hat.

tk13 02-20-2017 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 12749987)
Do you not agree?

Hosmer? I don't know if his final stats were amazing, I'd have to look them up, but:

Against Houston
-The tying run during the huge game 4 comeback
-The monster HR in the 9th that put game 4 away
-The first RBI of the comeback in game 5

Against Toronto
-The first RBI single of the comeback rally in game 2
-Obviously, the big hit in game 6 to give KC the lead and break the tie

Against New York
-The sac fly that won game 1
-The 2 RBI hit that broke the tie in game 2
-Hit the ground ball error that opened up the floodgates in game 4
-Scored the go-ahead run in game 4
-The double that knocked Harvey out in game 5
-And the dash for home that we'll all remember for the rest of our lives

That's a pretty solid list. He wasn't on fire the whole playoffs or anything, but he had a hand in just about every single big moment.

KChiefs1 02-20-2017 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 12750033)
Hosmer? I don't know if his final stats were amazing, I'd have to look them up, but:

Against Houston
-The tying run during the huge game 4 comeback
-The monster HR in the 9th that put game 4 away
-The first RBI of the comeback in game 5

Against Toronto
-The first RBI single of the comeback rally in game 2
-Obviously, the big hit in game 6 to give KC the lead and break the tie

Against New York
-The sac fly that won game 1
-The 2 RBI hit that broke the tie in game 2
-Hit the ground ball error that opened up the floodgates in game 4
-Scored the go-ahead run in game 4
-The double that knocked Harvey out in game 5
-And the dash for home that we'll all remember for the rest of our lives

That's a pretty solid list. He wasn't on fire the whole playoffs or anything, but he had a hand in just about every single big moment.



Hosmer seems like one of those players who comes up big in the big game.



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duncan_idaho 02-20-2017 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12750008)
Not to rehash that but Fowler has more upside than Cain. He's a year younger at FA and has twice as many HR. Fly ball distance, a proxy for power, has Fowler comfortably ahead of Cain every year save 2015 which was Cains aberration. They're both corner OF now so Cain doesn't bring that much incremental fielding.











If he gets 80M at age 31 after hitting 12HR as a corner OF, which he's going to play at least some this year and will in the future, I'll eat my hat.



Cain will spend all of this season playing CF and surely will market himself as such in free agency, just like Fowler did.

I don't know if he will get quite the deal Fowler got, but 90 percent of it seems easily within reach if he has a healthy season.


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Why Not? 02-20-2017 09:59 PM

I've gone on record saying that Hosmer isn't worth what some team will over pay him for, but I'll be damned if he isn't at the heart of almost every big moment in the golden years of '14/'15. The guy is a clear leader and seems to feed off of the energy of the city in key spots. Is he worth a 10 year, $20 mill per type deal? **** no! But would I love to have him back on a deal that makes some sense? Sure. I'd love to keep as many of these guys around be as possible, just for nostalgic factor, if nothing else. This particular group of players has been very enjoyable to cheer for. The inevitable break up has begun(Davis, Dyson, Ventura for a much sadder reason). I'd be cool to keep some of these other guys around.

Prison Bitch 02-21-2017 08:44 AM

McCullers 13.0%
Danny Duffy 12.9%
Corey Kluber, Yu Darvish 12.6%


Any guesses?

Chiefspants 02-21-2017 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12750425)
McCullers 13.0%
Danny Duffy 12.9%
Corey Kluber, Yu Darvish 12.6%


Any guesses?

Swinging Strike rate?

Prison Bitch 02-21-2017 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 12750450)
Swinging Strike rate?

That was quick!

Chiefspants 02-21-2017 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12750464)
That was quick!

Hahaha, I was just looking at the Duffman's projections last night.

Prison Bitch 02-21-2017 09:50 AM

FG has been online since 2002. In that time, only 4 players outdid their entire team in fWAR. Two were Royals. Can you name them?


1. Mccutcheon 2010 Pirates
2. Thome 2007 Sux
3. Royal 1
4. Royal 2

Bowser 02-21-2017 10:02 AM

Beltran has to be one of them

Wild guess on #2 - Wade Davis

Prison Bitch 02-21-2017 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 12750498)
Beltran has to be one of them

Wild guess on #2 - Wade Davis

Both offensive players. Not Beltran, he did 6.9 wins in 2003 while team did 12.5. He would have in 2004 at 2.4 when team did 1.0, but he was traded mid season and hence didn't qualify (69 games for KC).


So there's a hint: our 2004 lineup was worth 1.0 win. ONE. We had a player who outdid that. By comparison 2015 was worth 24

Chiefspants 02-21-2017 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12750501)
Both offensive players. Not Beltran, he did 6.9 wins in 2003 while team did 12.5. He would have in 2004 at 2.4 when team did 1.0, but he was traded mid season and hence didn't qualify (69 games for KC).


So there's a hint: our 2004 lineup was worth 1.0 win. ONE. We had a player who outdid that. By comparison 2015 was worth 24

Taking a shot in the dark that this was somewhat of a trick question..

1. Zack Greinke (2004)
2. Zack Greinke (2009)

EDIT Crap, missed your above post about it being offensive players.

Uh. Dejesus and Sweeney? I'm drawing a blank.

TomBarndtsTwin 02-21-2017 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12750501)
Both offensive players. Not Beltran, he did 6.9 wins in 2003 while team did 12.5. He would have in 2004 at 2.4 when team did 1.0, but he was traded mid season and hence didn't qualify (69 games for KC).


So there's a hint: our 2004 lineup was worth 1.0 win. ONE. We had a player who outdid that. By comparison 2015 was worth 24

David Dejesus, maybe?

For the other, I would guess Alex Gordon, probably in either 2011 or 2012 when the overall team wasn't as strong as last few years.

Bowser 02-21-2017 10:15 AM

Good lord, lol.

Of the 2004 team? All I can think of would be Mike Sweeney or David DeJesus. Absolutely no idea on who the other could be. Watch it be an Aaron Guiel or Mark Grudzilanek kind of guy....


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