just an interesting piece. probably more fluff than anything. but i'd like to get duncan's opinion on this hypothetical trade.

http://www.federalbaseball.com/2016/...ight-look-like

Dayton Moore always plays the "woe is us" card, then turns around and signs Ian Kennedy, Volquez, Morales, Rios and on and on.

Although I'm optimistic, I think he's going to make a legit run at re-signing some of this group. That won't be cheap and maybe that will inhibit our ability to sign FAs. Especially when guys like Brett Cecil are getting $30 million contracts. Any decent established FA is getting at least 10-15 million a year, if not more. Given the last 5 years of evidence, I'd wager any "miser"-ness will be coming from Dayton and not Glass.

That's all fine, but you would think Moore wouldn't want to necessarily paint himself into that corner at the very beginning of the offseason. It won't matter if we sign the guys we need to sign and improve where we need to, but it's just a weird strategy to come out and say that.

That's just in case we get ****ed across the board.

There's that, too. Setting up the excuses early.

He's done this in every offseason since 2013.

If they were really willing to offer those high level prospects, you absolutely take it. Although, if you are saying our window is 2017 and you want to go all in again as the Royals, that throws a wrench into it. I myself wouldn't hesitate doing that trade as I don't like to over-value relievers, especially one with arm issues last year.

I doubt the Nats would have all three of those guys in a deal for a rental reliever, however.

He literally says this every year. We won the flipping World Series last year, and he said it then too. It's just how he plays the game. Look at how they had 100% convinced Mellinger and McCullough that there was no way we were re-signing Gordon. They were writing articles for the Star with 99% confidence that we'd have to find a new LF because Gordon was gone.

"We're giving you the opportunity to join the kc royals but this is all the money we have" could be a thing also at this point.

Best team in baseball the past three years.

I would jump all over it

About one year ago. This is why Mellinger and McCullough were both stunned when Gordon signed in KC. The front office had convinced them it wasn't happening. People were saying Glass is cheap then too. The Royals front office just likes playing the "poor us" card. Maybe they won't sign anyone, but after 4 straight years of playing this game I don't buy it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don&#39;t doubt it. Barring a philosophical change from KC, the expected AAV for Gordon does not fit their budget. <a href="https://t.co/IgupyZCBLH">https://t.co/IgupyZCBLH</a></p>&mdash; Andy McCullough (@McCulloughTimes) <a href="https://twitter.com/McCulloughTimes/status/677240725436801026">December 16, 2015</a></blockquote>
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That return is very close to what I proposed earlier in the thread... would love it. I don't think it hurts KC at all in 2016, either, because Lopez is a better option for your last starting spot than anybody you could reasonably acquire, and you free up a bunch of money. Missing Davis at the back end would be tough, but you'd be better in the rotation and could add a quality bullpen piece for half of what Davis is gettin. Paid.

Stevenson is an excellent CF who profiles as a very similar player as Cain, actually. He should be ready to take over full time in 2018 and might be able to give you a boost at midseason 2017 if you need him.

Voth is also a really nice throw-in piece that gives you a good depth piece to the rotation.

If KC completed that deal, and then used the saved Davis money to sign Luke Hochevar and Steave Pearce, or Matt Holliday, I think it improves the team more than keeping Davis and taking a flyer on SP on a budget.


He's not painting himself into a corner. He's setting himself up for negotiations with agents. Just like he has he past several years.


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Should also note I think it's more than the Nationals would be willing to pay... would think one of Stevenson or Lopez, with a preference for Lopez.


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Looks like Volquez is actually going to get a 2 year deal. That's pretty good for him considering the year he had last year.

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Goodluck to him...thx for the WS championship