Yeah- anatomically modern humans.. as well as a host of other human species, some of which may have been more intelligent than we are.

Check out string theory, it’s become a viable idea in mainstream academic circles

It’s all real, a UFO flew past me at eye level no more than 20 yards away as it traced the course of a river... as big as 3 full size SUVs smashed into an egg shape, ultra quiet as it glided past, silent as a slow breeze

Watched it glide above the river for 30 seconds or so, the air felt ionized as it went by... oh yeah, it’s all real

Yeah string theory was making its rounds when I was in undergrad physics back in college. It’s interrsting but way over my damn head

That’s interesting what you saw. Was that recent?

Supposedly the difference between our black project craft and EBE craft are the lack of any visable seams or rivets in the ET units.

You can fake things a bit with welding and polishing, but not doors or portals.

It's real, and I'm shocked the military is admitting that in my lifetime, but it might not be physical in a way we can understand. The science that explains what these things are might not even exist for us. It's a hard concept to grasp since we're so locked in this western anthropocentric worldview.

We probably aren't the top of the galactic food chain. We certainly haven't reached the peak of scientific understanding, and we try to constrain these...whatever they are to fit within our world view.

Even classifying them as a security risk is arrogance in a way. They may be so far beyond us that we don't even register to them. We act like they're here for us, that it's about us, but what if they're not? What if it has nothing to do with us?

Or what if they are us? I don't mean time travelers or something that simple, but what if they're something bizarre like tulpas created by our collective conscience? I realize this steps squarely back into the realm of anthropocentrism, but it's another possibility.

We're so locked into this nuts and bolts, something else coming here idea (and personally that's my favorite fantasy of what this phenomenon is) but we can't let our limited understanding keep us from at least considering wider possibilities.

But I'm not sure that we, both as a species and as a western culture, can turn our arrogance off long enough to recognize that the peak of (known...) human advancement doesn't mean we know everything.

Which is, ironically, at least part of the reason the scientific/debunking community has refused to take this topic seriously for the last 70 years.

Man are things maybe starting to change, though. Hopefully.

Our science and the laws of it are exclusive to this galaxy. Go to a different galaxy, to a planet with twin suns or moons, that has a standard day of 42 hours and see what Isaac Newton or Kepler can do for you there.

Nope..stone cold sober. That happened 20+ years ago and still remember it...it was insane...I'm not going to candy-coat it. It was actually frightening...the woman/child was slightly translucent...kind of what you would envision a ghost to look like. The way it reacted when I woke was scary...it literally sucked itself back away from view in a second. What was even more surreal is I could see the outline of them in that broccoli pattern after it happened....every time I looked at it. *shrugs" Maybe a rare, short sighting into another dimension...I dont have an explanation...I just know it happened.

I only shared that story because there is something going on we dont quite understand...only get momentary glimpses of.

I have heard incredible things about DMT....it's on my bucket list.

2006, Sangamon river Illinois

It had structure, a half flattened egg with the pointy end forward in matte black, no windows were visible but the back third of the “egg” was chopped off, with three insanely, unworldly bright 3 circular lights in red and white on that flat surface

A local cop pulled into that park 5-10 minutes later with his eyes wide open, he had clearly seen it too asking me if I’d seen anything strange... I wouldn’t admit to anything front of him, but he understood my eye language

Lots of people had to have seen it, it flew directly under a heavily used bridge crowded with passing cars coming home at 6pm or so

wormhole theory, yes it is preferred shape for such travel

Substitute universe for galaxy and you might be right.

The universe is the entire mish-mash of space. When we travel the universe, we can travel from galaxy to galaxy. And in doing so, we will more than likely find that laws of physics which apply on an Earth class planet in the Milky Way may not work on a similar class planet in a galaxy with systems that sport binary suns or moons.

The laws of physics are the laws of physics anywhere in this this universe. Sure, there may be extra factors that add to its complexity, but the fundamental laws are the same. We could absolutely calculate the rate of gravity’s acceleration on a planet in a binary star system as long as we know their masses and their relative positions.

Now granted, there is still a metric ass load of stuff that we haven’t figured out or even thought to ask about, but regardless, once we actually know the rules, they will apply anywhere in the universe. Other universes (if they exist, but they probably do), that goes right out the window. Entirely new sets of rules.

Recent long-form interview with Cmdr. David Fravor about the tic-tac incident. He says this is the "first and only time" he's going to speak about it in a public forum:

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That was really interesting to watch. I didn't realize the radar on the planes themselves had been actively jammed. And he is completely unapologetic in his belief that it isn't something human built, assuming he didn't just mean "united states" when he said it "wasn't us".

Not to argue with Fish, but the pilot actually says, "This is not a f**kin' drone, bro." (bold emphasis added)

Not, "This is a f**kin'g drone, bro."

You can hear the difference if you wear headphones. Plus, the "New York Times" has posted the correction on the video itself.

What we have here is four veteran, highly trained Navy aviators (you can't be just some guy (JAG) to fly a F/A-18F Super Hornet, you have to be one of the best Navy aviators in the world) that observed this object for more than five minutes at a range of less than one mile on a sunny, clear, almost wind-less day. What we'd call, "clear and a million" visibility (transparent air (no clouds, mist, fog, etc.) and infinite horizontal visibility).

We also have three state-of-the-art, highest-technology-available air defense radar systems that tracked this object.

We also have a 90 second tape of the infrared (FLIR) track as well as an EO (electro-optical) simultaneous recording of the object. That recording was taken by yet two more Hornet drivers, so now we have six (6) of the best fighter pilots/trained observers in the world that saw this "tic-tac."

In other words, they have a 90 second track of its heat signature as well as a black-and-white video track tape. And according to Commander Fravor there is a third radar track tape that he's seen multiple times of the same event, that the Navy has, and hasn't shown the public.

Moonbeams/clouds/figments do not have heat signatures, nor can they be tracked on the EO cam, nor can they reflect radar energy.

Whatever it was, it was a physical heat-producing, radar reflecting object with no visible means of propulsion (no heat flux), no wings, no empennage (tail flight control assembly), no rotors, in fact no visible artifacts at all, that this object had thrust capability or control surfaces whatsoever.

I want to see the radar track/intercept tape.

That's an interesting interview. Surely, if it were some advanced military test tech they'd tell them after the fact right?

I'm not sure what you're talking about. He clearly says "It's a ****ing drone, bro." The NYTimes video still shows that. They even have this quote from the Times article:

"At this point the pilots said they speculated that the objects were part of some classified and extremely advanced drone program."

https://i.imgur.com/USTSDRg.png

Every other source I can find also states the same.

https://i.imgur.com/qspG71v.png

Most likely this was an MKV or similar tech, which has been around for decades.

Hell no. They would drag them one at a time into an 8 by 5 room and ask them repeatedly, "what did you see"? And they would be cussed and threatened up and down both sides of that little room until they all finally answered "Nothing". "We saw nothing".

Well now I can't get the clip to play. Probably something to do with my browser (not a computer guy). However, the clip I watched had a correction from the NYT at the end of it that said they'd mis-typed the phrase, "This is a f**king drone, bro."

Whatever. The main point is that the thing existed.

The first pic I linked is directly from the video in the NY Times article. There is no correction. Every other video I found says the same. Even in the article itself they mention several times that they thought it was some kind of drone program.

So the article itself contradicts your claim. I'm not saying it didn't exist. Only that the most likely explanation is the one that was initially given. You went to great lengths to acknowledge the pilots' experience with identifying aircraft. The pilot identified it as a drone.

Another good episode of Unexplained. I think I realized why I like it so much: they aren't really trying to dramatize anything, or to push an agenda beyond 'this shit is real; take it seriously.'. It's like the antithesis of Ancient Aliens. Who ran an episode yet again featuring some random geological structure that doesn't actually look like anything unless you manipulate the hell out of the image, and even then the pareidolia doesn't look like anything unless you're drunk, stoned, standing on your head and squinting really hard.

This is an excellent video...comprised of vintage Manly P. Hall lectures. He is the most revered Mason in the last century...and brilliant. I have listened to over 100 hours of his talks...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manly_P._Hall

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Bob Lazar was on Joe Rogan's podcast...everyone should listen, I know the story well but it was still mindblowing.

Can't believe he got him to come on...gonna watch the Netflix documentary they were referencing tonight too.

:hmmm:

I really like the whole Bob Lazar stuff.

So, thought episode 3 of Unidentified was the weakest of the bunch, but last night's was really solid. Covered the 'gimbal' and 'go fast' videos discussed earlier on here, brought on an active duty witness who connected the two videos to a series of encounters in 2015, who went on to talk about how they were seen not only off the east coast, but in the middle east. And, along with more analysis like they presented in the first episode, pretty much put to rest any thought that they were drones or something else contemporary. It also goes into how they've approached congress with this.

Anybody talking about those videos earlier in the thread should probably try to watch it.

I'm a little concerned about next week's episode (think it might be the last one,not sure): it looks like they're going into the Rendlesham incident. While that's one of the more interesting events, it's been done over and over and over. The best part of this show has been the fact that it's covering new ground every week. I'm not all that interested in that formula being changed to drag some old dinosaurs like Charles Halt in front of the camera. And it looks like they're going into missile silo sightings with some of the same old faces,too. Disappointing if they're taking two steps back at the end of the season after taking such a huge step forward in the presentation so far.

Guess we'll see.

Yup. It was interesting as hell. I hope Rogan has him back on as soon as possible.

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Gonna get around to watching that this week

Just put one earbud in and listen while 9 year olds chew on your fingers.

Watched the Lazar thing on Netflix. So good.

Not that I needed further convincing, but he’s definitely not a bullshit artist.

Legit, IMO.

Listened to a bit of the Rogan podcast with him last night, was really interesting. Gonna try to finish it up this week.

Damn little ****ers.

Watched it over the weekend, it's super good.

Really wish Rogan would get George Knapp on...I love me some Knapp, dude has an immense wealth of knowledge and great way of articulating the info.

I'm actually shocked that Lazar agreed to do the documentary; and shocked even further that he did Rogan's podcast .

Made it thru some of the pod, some really interesting stuff

Man, I just don't know how the hell the government could keep all that stuff under wraps for this long.

Extreme compartmentalization, discrediting and covering up possible whistle blowers, threats, etc.

I think about it this way...how many people know stuff and just don't talk about it? Think about it, no one is going to believe them and their career and life would be surely ruined...I mean look at Lazar, he's the perfect case study.

That's true. Just seems so crazy that they could keep it that quiet for this long, but then you see how supposed people in the "know" are treated and it makes sense.

I also think there's quite a few reasons for the issues being kept quiet the way they are.

yeah, I think Jerm stated what I was pretty much going to say.

For the most part, they have made it where even mentioning seeing a UFO automatically makes you a kook. So a lot of people don't even bother talking about it. Now, who is 'they"?...not sure. the stigma is there that if you see a UFO...you're a kook and nothing should be believed...so people usually don't believe it. Between that and massive disinformation of the last 50 years +, the government can pretty much engage in whatever projects they want to. yeah, they don't want people talking about it, but if they do....they'll just discredit and mock and continue doing what they're doing.

Lazar is a great example of having your life potentially ruined by talking about it.


it's all very fascinating to me.

Now that they're starting to get AF pilots and such coming out saying "Hey, we're seeing these things and don't know what the **** they are" shit seems to be changing.

Knapp is so awesome, without him no one would’ve ever known about the Skinwalker Ranch... he is completely unafraid to put his considerable reputation on the line to break stories like that

I didn't realize that was hitting netflix. Just watched it. Pretty out there production-wise, but a good doc. Not really anything new, though. They've been talking about the FBI raids on radio shows for at least a year. The only thing I didn't remember hearing before was his hypnotic regression.

ROFL

I think i'm gonna watch the Lazar doc. Tonight

Have they though? It’s not an issue of lack of information. We have so many stories and so much information because things have leaked. It’s really just a matter of what someone will believe or not believe.

Outside of a living alien making a public appearance there isn’t really anything that would satisfy everyone which is why it’s usually pointless to get into debates with skeptics demanding evidence. It’s all out there to be either believed or not believed while the government gets to maintain plausible deniability under the guise of security clearances or off the books projects.

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interesting. Bob was sentenced to 3 years probation for felony pandering. Judge confirmed some of his credentials though. I still dont know what to make of Bob Lazar. His buddy, John Lear, tells some wild stories.

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John Lear is a mother****er lol....I enjoy listening to him talk but I'm sitting there thinking holy shit what is this guy on haha.

The government doesn't really know anything or keep anything under wraps. This stuff has been in the private sector for decades.

what stuff?

The 'official' study of the subject has been compartmentalized within the private sector since at least the late 80's, and maybe the late 60's or earlier. It's outside government at this point, contract work done in the realm of private industry, with people like Robert Bigelow. That's the "stuff" to which I refer.

Basically the "government" doesn't have to hide anything. If there is anything palpable, it isn't their secret to hide, and hasn't been for a long time.

As for what there is in terms of material "stuff", I have no way of knowing, and wouldn't speculate.

Been bouncing around watching random 8-15 minute snippets of Lazar on Rogan, it’s been a fascinating trip down memory lane... I was studying the guy since dial-up interwebs

I was convinced back then, and this interview does nothing but reinforce it

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Bob Lazar (supposedly) races his car which set a record for most annoying sound in the world

Jet dragsters are an impressive show live. Even more impressive is how much more effective ICE's still are in a drag race.

Jet propulsion [sex magick] is great after the initial inertia is overcome, but they lose TONS of advantage off the starting line because they are pushing against air, instead of rubber on road. There's a reason carrier craft have backstops and a launch ram in the runway.

But the noise and spectacle is amazing. You feel it more than hear it as it pulses immense power through the grandstands.

It is really awesome to see

So Unidentified wrapped up Friday, and I thought it fizzled out after a good start. The production quality was great beginning to end, but it seemed to me like they were trying to spread 3-4 episodes worth of material over 6 hours. Hopefully the cooperation with the Italians will lead to some more releases, because as great as it is to get the pilots on the record, there's only so far that 3 short videos and four pilot interviews can carry the plot.

I finally finished the Bob Lazar interview with Rogan. One thing I really like about him is that if he doesn’t know something he doesn’t try to bolster the story or name himself sound bigger or more important by trying to connect dots or state things that would be guesses as if they are fact. He simply says he doesn’t know or can only speculate on things.

I liked the interview better than the documentary overall. He spoke more freely. The documentary seemed to focus a lot on his daily life to normalize him which is fine but what we are really interested in are his stories about what he saw.

SAP's.

If the government isn't working on it they can't talk. Private industry which isn't subject to FOIA can keep a secret as long as it's profitable...

Not a wormhole I'd intended to go into: https://burners.me/2019/07/10/anothe...-tracy-twyman/

Jesus. That is......a lot. SO much.

You're probably aware of the couple of threads in DC on this subject. Taco takes a beating in those threads, but man, I'm not so sure he isn't on to something. There is just too much info and too much coincidence on all that info for this to be nothing, and the subject of that link should be alarming to anyone that reads it.

I'll have to dive into all of that when I have a free day.

Is there a government connection or is this just a private thing?

I don't go into that forum. I know the posters and the history here. It's bad enough on the main forum with all the incel 'they're out to get the white male!' wannabe victim stuff floating right below the surface. As far as TJ goes, I didn't know he still posted here and I doubt he 'knows' anything.

I think there is probably something to it, and I think it's tied to wealth and privilege rather than political party (this was of course popularly connected to Podesta and by extension the Clintons before the 2016 election). I'm not sure anybody could possibly be more closely tied to this than Trump, through Epstein - that's not a new story at all. Hell, he's all but bragged about it for years and years.

There have been rumors of high level international pedophile rings for decades, both here and in Europe, and the fact that there's evidence of numerous successful cover-ups does point to governmental entities looking the other way if not providing outright support. Pedophilia has also been rampant in entertainment, whether it's Hollywood or New York.

I can't really look too far into this stuff; it's both sickening and disheartening. The sad truth is that people with enough money can get away with almost anything...

And the rest of us aren't really even people in their eyes.

So I just started watching 'The Family' on Netflix, and it's hands down one of the most sickening and just plain scary conspiracies I've ever seen. The sheer idea that a big part of both branches of Congress and the white house itself has been controlled or orchestrated or however you want to phrase it by a single very cult-like religious group for the last 40 years is just disturbing.

Read a little about it. Pretty crazy.

Not surprising.

There are so many docs you can watch on the subject. Human sex trafficking is now bigger business than cocaine.

You have convicted pedos in high places in Hollywood (all kinds in Disney,) Politcs (both parties,) and Religion. And that's the big three that all wash each other's hands: business, politics, religion.

Look up the Franklin Coverup, Deliver Us From Evil, An Open Secret, Secrets of the Vatican, and do a google on John Of God.

You'll see the same 5-10 names associated with Epstein, John of God, East coast Catholic bishops, and Children's charities...

The problem with the documentary was the director is infatuated with him. It was less about pushing for info and seemed more like idol worship...

To me, the problem with the documentary was that Corbell inserted himself into it, and then tried to turn it into some kind of art piece. And then they didn't really deliver any new information.

The Franklin Scandal is one of the most disturbing things I've ever looked into. Just dark shit. All of this, really. Just terrible, dark shit.

There's a documentary called "Who Took Johnny?" about the disappearance of Johnny Gosch, a West Des Moines paperboy, that may be linked to the Franklin Scandal. Crazy, dark stuff.

Have you looked into the reports claiming this is nothing more than a hoax concocted by a disgruntled ex-con who was looking to extort Boys Town?

I mean, there's some pretty damning evidence and good reasons as to why the jury dismissed it as a hoax....

As with anything, it's always best to know both sides of the story before drawing your conclusion.

I actually have, but thanks for the attempted lecture.

Guys, that stuff creeps me out. I don't like to really read into it. I'll stick to aliens and shit.

Someone drank a 2liter of snark today....

While checking out a couple books on the subject on Amazon I did run across a book series that looks like it's where Taco, piece of shit, Wrong get's all his "facts" and "information". Pedophilia & Empire by Joachim Hagopian.

His posts read like a copy/paste right out of the books descriptions.

:evil:

It's diet snark, I'm trying to lose weight.

Ditto. It's a really hard topic.

Speaking of aliens and shit, I love that stuff, and government conspiracy, too, but I can't, for the life of me, get into ghosts or pseudo-religious shit like demonology. I'm not sure if it's because I'm so solidly atheist these days or what, but it's hard for me to not think of it like it's nonsense. Even if I try to move outside the traditional western theological programming and have it be echoes of reality or another type of alien life on a psychic or energy level. It just reads like mythology to me.

And then there's the believers who automatically think anything not biblical is the debbil. Aliens and UFOs are all demons. Anti-science is even killing pseudo-science these days!

Right there with you.

Can we have a Mod edit the thread title to include 'and the reeruned?'

Well, you did post, so I guess it's appropriate now.

This was pretty fascinating:

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It's all right. We'll let you post without formally memorializing your participation.

You guys onto any good Epstein vids or stories yet...?

There's gotta be some out there, can't wait for the documentaries to start rolling in.

In the meantime, I'll stay here in my JFK rabbit hole thag o
I fell back down lol.

Pretty decent recent Epstein podcast: https://www.thehighersidechats.com/t...ail-blueprint/

Dan Akyroyd was on Rogan last week. Didn't realize he was such an ET guy. Good listen.