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OnTheWarpath15 04-02-2014 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 10534615)
I guess that depends on what you consider needs, but yes I think it can happen.

Are they going to fill those needs with all pros? Not likely. But realistically, safety and WR are more wants than needs. We have players on the roster than can fill those roles.

I only see one glaring hole . Guard. The next closest thing to a hole is DE, and the league is full 3-4 starting DEs that no one has heard of. It's not a make or break spot.

Honestly I'm more upset about not having a 2nd round pick in such a deep draft than I am about the lack of FA activity. This front office has spent money to keep guys here. Now the cap reflects it and they are exercising responsibility. This is the price paid for keeping guys like Flowers, Hali, DJ, Charles, Bowe, etc. We have a shit load of former pro bowlers on the team. Those are guys that cost KC money to keep.
True, but we're also spending a shit ton on marginal guys as well. Though Hali, Bowe, Berry and Flowers are killing us. We have a third of our cap tied up in 4 guys.



DeVito - $5M

Fasano - $4.2M

Daniel - $3.4M


Anyone here rather have these three, or the $12.6M we're on the hook for this year?

planetdoc 04-02-2014 01:27 PM
I'm ok with Daniel and Devito.

O.city 04-02-2014 01:31 PM
Not sure I agree, but iirc, pff had devito as like the 4th best 34 de in football last year

OnTheWarpath15 04-02-2014 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10534722)
Not sure I agree, but iirc, pff had devito as like the 4th best 34 de in football last year
Yeah, I don't agree with PFF on that one.

Listen, he's a nice piece on the DL, but not $5M nice - especially when you're up against the cap.

We'll likely get more production out of Walker who carries a $1.7M hit.

jspchief 04-02-2014 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10534670)
True, but we're also spending a shit ton on marginal guys as well. Though Hali, Bowe, Berry and Flowers are killing us. We have a third of our cap tied up in 4 guys.



DeVito - $5M

Fasano - $4.2M

Daniel - $3.4M


Anyone here rather have these three, or the $12.6M we're on the hook for this year?
Agree on both points.

My problem is I'm not sure I want to see Houston walk next year because we tried to plug every gap this year.

I'm OK with standing pat at FS. We have too much money in defense as it is, and I'm not convinced that FS in this scheme has to be all pro to work.

Would I have liked DeSean Jackson for that contract? Yes. Would I rather pay him than Chase Daniel and Fasano (and probably Bowe too)? Yes. But we are on the hook for those guys because last year the FO had to fill holes and try to field a competitive team.

The reality is, the team isn't sitting on a ton of dead money or outright terrible contracts. They also aren't sitting on buckets of cash/cap space. From a cap perspective, they've done a pretty solid job. The team is suffering from performance more than talent.

Discuss Thrower 04-02-2014 01:41 PM
I can sleep with DeVito's salary... And maybe Fasano.

Any other team willing to pay Daniel over vet minimum might be as dumb as KC's FO.

OldSchool 04-02-2014 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10534722)
Not sure I agree, but iirc, pff had devito as like the 4th best 34 de in football last year
As a run stuffer, yes. But he offers very little as a pass rusher.

O.city 04-02-2014 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 10534746)
Agree on both points.

My problem is I'm not sure I want to see Houston walk next year because we tried to plug every gap this year.

I'm OK with standing pat at FS. We have too much money in defense as it is, and I'm not convinced that FS in this scheme has to be all pro to work.

Would I have liked DeSean Jackson for that contract? Yes. Would I rather pay him than Chase Daniel and Fasano (and probably Bowe too)? Yes. But we are on the hook for those guys because last year the FO had to fill holes and try to field a competitive team.

The reality is, the team isn't sitting on a ton of dead money or outright terrible contracts. They also aren't sitting on buckets of cash/cap space. From a cap perspective, they've done a pretty solid job. The team is suffering from performance more than talent.
Agree.

It's not a problem that we are paying those guys that, if they play to that contract.

If they do that, said holes shouldn't be as big I holes

chiefzilla1501 04-02-2014 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10534670)
True, but we're also spending a shit ton on marginal guys as well. Though Hali, Bowe, Berry and Flowers are killing us. We have a third of our cap tied up in 4 guys.



DeVito - $5M

Fasano - $4.2M

Daniel - $3.4M


Anyone here rather have these three, or the $12.6M we're on the hook for this year?
I would rather not have the three. Though at this point, other than Daniel, Fasano and DeVito at least fill a need until Catapano and Kelce can take over. I was not a fan of how they handled last year. If you're going to stopgap, bring in someone really cheap. If you're going to spend money, go big or go home.

mcaj22 04-02-2014 02:23 PM
5 mil for a guy that gets zero sacks in a pass happy league in a division with two good passing QBs.

Chiefs Way to stop the run in 2014 with blue chip DL that cant rush the passer and thumper 34 ILBers that cant cover anything. Fart noise.

chiefzilla1501 04-02-2014 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10535067)
5 mil for a guy that gets zero sacks in a pass happy league in a division with two good passing QBs.

Chiefs Way to stop the run in 2014 with blue chip DL that cant rush the passer and thumper 34 ILBers that cant cover anything. Fart noise.
I would hope that McGrath and Kelce improve and Fasano becomes expendable. Hopefully they draft an ilb or nico Johnson improves and Mays becomes quality depth. If Catapano improves, hopefully DeVito becomes expendable. Maybe the reason the chiefs were okay setting Schwartz free is they saw something they really liked out of a young guard. This is the right way to do things. Use the draft to get rid of your marginal veterans.

htismaqe 04-02-2014 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10535100)
I would hope that McGrath and Kelce improve and Fasano becomes expendable. Hopefully they draft an ilb or nico Johnson improves and Mays becomes quality depth. If Catapano improves, hopefully DeVito becomes expendable. Maybe the reason the chiefs were okay setting Schwartz free is they saw something they really liked out of a young guard. This is the right way to do things. Use the draft to get rid of your marginal veterans.
They brought in said marginal veterans. They brought in Mays THIS YEAR.

TEX 04-02-2014 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10535100)
I would hope that McGrath and Kelce improve and Fasano becomes expendable. Hopefully they draft an ilb or nico Johnson improves and Mays becomes quality depth. If Catapano improves, hopefully DeVito becomes expendable. Maybe the reason the chiefs were okay setting Schwartz free is they saw something they really liked out of a young guard. This is the right way to do things. Use the draft to get rid of your marginal veterans.
No disrespect intended but do you know anything about micro-surgery? If you did, you would not even mention Kelce. Have you ever seen Mays play? He is certainly not quality. He's just the opposite. He plays dirty because he gets outplayed. Ill say this about your take, nobody can ever accuse you of not having hope.

OldSchool 04-02-2014 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 10535196)
No disrespect intended but do you know anything about micro-surgery? If you did, you would not even mention Kelce. Have you ever seen Mays play? He is certainly not quality. He's just the opposite. He plays dirty because he gets outplayed. Ill say this about your take, nobody can ever accuse you of not having hope.
I forgot where but I remember reading that his injury was not career threatening and was something that people are typically able to come back fine from. I'll try to find the article.

chiefzilla1501 04-02-2014 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10535115)
They brought in said marginal veterans. They brought in Mays THIS YEAR.
And I've said I've never been a big fan of that approach. But that being said, these guys are locked into easy contracts to get out of. Mays, in particular, has an ideal stopgap contract.

I'm a little more okay with these kinds of signings if you're proactively using the draft to ultimately replace them. At least for Fasano, we drafted two options to replace him. For Devito, we are grooming Catapano. That's a little different than the move for Alex Smith, which was purely a move to fill the QB position for some time.


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