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Easy 6 02-10-2014 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 10424639)
Yeah, things would be so much easier for me if I'd simply believe every bullshit claim people make without any evidence. I envy you. My stupid insistence of proof and validity is such a downer sometimes.

Yep, pieces of eight just fall from the sky all of the time, nothing to see here people.

All of these people that have made themselves millionaires who've done they're homework on that place and think theres something worth pursuing are fools! fools I say!

mr. tegu 02-10-2014 01:10 PM

Why are people dismissing the coin as nothing? Did you expect them to just find some ancient treasure right away? As has been pointed out, this is a private venture costing a lot of money. They did a broad sweep of the island to try to find something and they actually did find something which is a pretty significant clue.

mr. tegu 02-10-2014 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BourbonMan (Post 10424245)
I hate the way they're dragging this out. They start investigating something and then they go and find something else. Oh, lets look at 10X...Wait, there is coconut fiber in the lagoon..Wait, there is a mysterious rock standing str8 up..Wait lets drain the swamp...The whole time abandoning what they had previously started...:banghead:

Would you rather they spend an entire episode on something that provided no results? They could have easily spent an additional episode scouring the trash can filled with material from 10x that they were pumping out of the hole which apparently provided no evidence. I for one am glad they didn't do that.

BourbonMan 02-10-2014 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 10424751)
Would you rather they spend an entire episode on something that provided no results? They could have easily spent an additional episode scouring the trash can filled with material from 10x that they were pumping out of the hole which apparently provided no evidence. I for one am glad they didn't do that.

No, but they never mentioned why they never returned or pursued what they had started, except for the whole swamp thing.

mr. tegu 02-10-2014 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BourbonMan (Post 10424763)
No, but they never mentioned why they never returned or pursued what they had started, except for the whole swamp thing.

My guess is that nothing of significance was found. In that case the producers probably thought it best to just leave it alone instead of scaring off viewers by coming right out and saying they didn't find anything. Or, perhaps they still plan to come back to it now that they have seemingly done a preliminary sweep of the island.

patteeu 02-11-2014 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 10424639)
Yeah, things would be so much easier for me if I'd simply believe every bullshit claim people make without any evidence. I envy you. My stupid insistence of proof and validity is such a downer sometimes.

Why do you abandon this skepticism and insistence on proof when the subject is the Catholic Church and allegations of child molestation? I think I know why.

patteeu 02-11-2014 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 10424745)
Why are people dismissing the coin as nothing? Did you expect them to just find some ancient treasure right away? As has been pointed out, this is a private venture costing a lot of money. They did a broad sweep of the island to try to find something and they actually did find something which is a pretty significant clue.

When it comes to reality TV, I don't think you can dismiss the possibility that this discovery was fabricated for the purpose of making a more interesting show. I'm not saying that that's the case, but we should be aware by now that reality TV is often not really real.

aturnis 02-11-2014 07:47 AM

I agree Pat. It was funny how he found it sitting so close to the surface of the muck.

hometeam 02-11-2014 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 10426786)
When it comes to reality TV, I don't think you can dismiss the possibility that this discovery was fabricated for the purpose of making a more interesting show. I'm not saying that that's the case, but we should be aware by now that reality TV is often not really real.

I was telling the same thing to my girlfriend. I am skeptical until is been peer reviewed.

mr. tegu 02-11-2014 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 10426980)
I was telling the same thing to my girlfriend. I am skeptical until is been peer reviewed.

Until what has been peer reviewed? The coin? The process of discovery?

Fish 02-11-2014 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 10426785)
Why do you abandon this skepticism and insistence on proof when the subject is the Catholic Church and allegations of child molestation? I think I know why.

Geez, pat is that thread really bothering you this much?

FYI... the evidence in one case is considerably greater than the other. But you know that.

hometeam 02-11-2014 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 10427054)
Until what has been peer reviewed? The coin? The process of discovery?

Both.

There is always the chance the coin could have been planted by the crew and claimed to have been discovered. At least I would feel more confident about it if the coin was proven to be true, NOT by being shown on the show.

Hell, every reality show is bullshit, why not this one?

I am a skeptic through and through, and being skeptical of a reality show is quite easy in its own right.

Im not saying its definitely fake. I just don't believe it without scientific process in place~

Regardless, what I think does not matter, it is what it is.

patteeu 02-11-2014 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 10427136)
Geez, pat is that thread really bothering you this much?

FYI... the evidence in one case is considerably greater than the other. But you know that.

No, but this was a perfect opportunity to point out the two Fishes. One is highly skeptical and requires proof. The other accepts the most undefined of allegations and assumes the worst case. The difference between your skepticism in one case and your blind faith in the other isn't explainable by a difference in evidence because you don't know what the evidence is in the latter case.

But now that I've made that side point, I'll leave this topic out of this thread.

Fish 02-11-2014 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 10427166)
No, but this was a perfect opportunity to point out the two Fishes. One is highly skeptical and requires proof. The other accepts the most undefined of allegations and assumes the worst case. The difference between your skepticism in one case and your blind faith in the other isn't explainable by a difference in evidence because you don't know what the evidence is in the latter case.

But now that I've made that side point, I'll leave this topic out of this thread.

The most undefined of allegations? That's what you think of the Catholic Church situation? That's just silly pat. 362 allegations over 50 years. You're downplaying the validity of hundreds of child molestation accusations and comparing that to the search for pirate booty that resulted in coconut fibers and a coin.

I would have thought this beneath you.

mr. tegu 02-11-2014 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 10427146)
Both.

There is always the chance the coin could have been planted by the crew and claimed to have been discovered. At least I would feel more confident about it if the coin was proven to be true, NOT by being shown on the show.

Hell, every reality show is bullshit, why not this one?

I am a skeptic through and through, and being skeptical of a reality show is quite easy in its own right.

Im not saying its definitely fake. I just don't believe it without scientific process in place~

Regardless, what I think does not matter, it is what it is.

What scientific progress will confirm the coin wasn't planted there? Should some independent researcher go out there and try to replicate the find? What you are asking for doesn't really make sense.

I wouldn't call this a reality show. I would call it a produced/edited exploration documentary. There is no reason for them to get the coin or process of finding it further analyzed when as far as we know, they know it was legitmately found there. Lets not forget, when something needed verification, they went out and got in the form of cocunut fiber from the 14th or 15th century. They are investing their own private money and want to do it right.


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