The RAW right after Mania is my favorite wrestling show of the year. Most of the big guys should be wrestling. All of them should appear in some fashion. But the big draw is that it's the craziest episode of the year. The crowd is always amazing, utter insanity can break out (like when Brock Lesnar came back two years ago), titles can change hands, big heel/face turns can happen. It's bound to be entertaining.

They wasted opportunities to put over Roman Reigns and Bray Wyatt in order to feed us WM appearances by Triple H's buddies (who I liked when they were in the attitude era but that ship sailed) and for Cena (who bores me). IMHO Reigns and Wyatt are the future of the WWE. Shield v. Wyatt Family have been the two best matches of the year.

Lesner will haunt Bryan for the next 6 months now. That will be hard to watch given the physical mismatch.

They need to rethink the format of the Andre the Giant thing - it was a wreck until the last few remained and that ended quickly.

And the Divas thing was formatted poorly too.

That is all. Carry on.

They can't really format the Andre thing any other way unless they want to call it Royal Rumble junior.

That would be an improvement. Or cut down the number so you don't have to bother watching the mediocre Khali fall awkwardly and predictably out within 2 minutes.

I was pretty shocked to hear Lesnar went over. Nothing else surprised me. Had zero interest in mania last night (2nd year in a row) but will watch at least some of raw tonight to see Bryan.

I'm pretty sure 99% of the reason they did it was to get guys on the show. It's pretty much bullshit that guys like Kofi and Ziggler and Cesaro even though he won are relegated to being put in a match like that to get on Mania.

It's nice they got guys on the show that deserved it but it wasn't meaningful to anyone other than Cesaro.

Seeing as I got the Network I watched it, it was worth the 10 bucks. It also came off without a hitch no freezing or glitching I was stunned.

My favorite Mania since 17...

Yeah I do agree with Cena not putting over Wyatt. Cena just seems dated now and old. I know we disagree about Brock Lesnar but I think they are really going to put him over and have him get the title soon. I would kill to see a Cesaro vs Lesnar match at mania for the title next year.

Yeah, the reviews read like a really good show.

Cena is always going to be kept strong, the audience overall is young and likes him.

I'm sure the WWE loves all the kids with their Cena shirts, headbands, and wristbands which ads up to like 72 dollars.

I would have liked some Shield involvement during the main event. They have already set them up against the Authority. It would have been fitting for them to come to Bryan's aid when HHH went down there during the match. A triple powerbomb through the Spanish announce table would have been nice. I like what they did with Bryan knocking HHH out with the sledge, but some Shield involvement could have set off another storyline running post-mania.

I thought maybe Ziggler would win and start a new push for him

This....

I don't get the hate for Cena here....he's doing exactly what the WWE packaged him to be, the next "all around good guy". They've always had one guy like this...it was Hogan for a long time..at one point it was Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat...

The WWE needs a "good guy" face to offset all the other mischief around him. When the WWE hasn't had a "Dudley DoRight" it has suffered.

I was getting kind of nervous for the main event because all the faces kept winning, then LOLLESNARWINS. Clever girl, WWE.

Ouch.

Probably hand wringers worried about the network being able to stream good. Last night seemed to be a good showing for it.

Uh oh. Those numbers are bad.

No, it's the 667,287 subscribers. People were expecting more than a million.

As soon as they get more content on there and expand to foreign markets they'll get up over a million easy. Wrestlemania coming off so well with no issues will help also.

Frankly if they want big network numbers they just need to make people care again. I subscribe because as a fan who likes to watch PPV's and digs classic stuff it's worth it to me.

Hell at this point there's no WCW stuff on there other than PPVs.

Yup. I hadn't watched wrestling for 6 straight years until about a month ago. Kinda turned it on. MNF isn't on, so it fills the void on Mondays. Then I ordered WWE Network for the old PPV's in the fun days, plus it comes with the live PPV's as well. Pretty decent deal for $10 a month. I'm not a big wrestling fan anymore, but they've found a way to get me to become slightly interested again.

True

Also. Mark wanted to end the streak back in 2010 against Brock but nothing came of it

It'll get over a million. Hell, there's 2 subscribers just in my house, and neither of us have payed attention to WWE for a long time.

The expectation was a million subs already, for Mania. Word is that many internally are very surprised/disappointed, had been led to believe the numbers to date were much higher.

Company was in PR spin overdrive this morning, basically.

Their forecast/progress causes speculation/correction over time. This wasn't an earnings report, just reflected they haven't met their projections. The analysts downgraded based on new projections, but only to a "hold" so the sell-off was premature.
This means little long-term if they meet their long term projections and it definitely has not much to do with the WM 30 broadcast other than they didn't penetrate the "meh I'll watch wrestling when it is compelling me to" market as far as they wanted.
FWIW It should only cause the business side to ask them to create more buzz sooner so as a viewer it should be a positive outcome in the next 3-6 months if the writers do their damn job.
Oh and Cena sucks.

I haven't watched wrestling since Raw after last year's Mania. I'll be tuned in tonight for sure.

I haven't watched wrestling since Raw after last year's Mania. I'll be tuned in tonight for sure.

I had some weird audio problem during the pre-show, but it got fixed before WM started and had no issues since.

They handled it very well.

Ah, figured I got things mixed up somewhere.

Word is that Undertaker suffered a concussion very early on in the match last night. He's one of the business's all-time tough guys, so he gutted out the entire damn match. Explains the quality level though.

AND the main site confirms it: http://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemani...suffers-injury

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1 year later fitting for this thread title

I like Goldust humping on Cesaro in the background. I don't blame him one bit.

Wonder if they will make that into storyline? Put an asterisk by the one loss because he had a concussion.

How ****ing crazy is Brocks career:


The dude did everything spans like 3 (4?) different sports. Just a ****ing freak athlete of a human.

‘Captain America: The Winter Soldier’

Nice, another hot crowd.

HHH better ****ing not put himself over.

How's RAW thus far?

They are flat out booing Cena.

That crowd, swaying and singing, chanting "Bray's gonna kill you!" before the finish: that's why I love the post-Mania RAW so much every year. Its like all the best wrestling fans on the planet converge and take over the arena for one night.

Yep....been a great Raw so far.

Sorry put it in wrong thread but this crowd has been incredible. Man undertaker must be really hurt to have the streak broken he might be done. Sucks cause I wanted to sting vs undertaker.

I'm worried triple H does put himself over cause of his ego. That would be bad for wwe

I think it will still happen.

oh crap he just called out hogan I love heyman

JFC Lesnar is ugly in HD

Wonder if Sting appears soon

Heyman is going off this is great :)

LMAO Heyman is on fire tonight.

Damn cm punk needs to come back

Hmm no surprises I was expecting something maybe just not yet.

I got this feeling DB is about to get screwed and Evolution is revived tonight.

Dude that would be triple H putting his ego above all again

The product has been as good as it ever, ever, ever has lately. And that's partly because of Punk's departure. The strangest addition-by-subtraction that I can ever think of.

Heyman is a God walking among us.

Or they try to and the shield costs triple H setting up evolution vs the shield.

rvd gonna be gone again in a few months when he gets popped for weed

again

Yeah but it's nice to see him back who are these two jobber new guys

внимание!

Bo Dallas & Adam Rose. Dude, you should watch NXT. It is fantastic.

I don't think I was the least bit excited for that debut.

I was ****ING OFF THE CHARTS STOKED for Rusev's debut. My bolded username on Twitter is внимание. Lana & Rusev are great together, and that entrance song is SO good.

PAIGE IS DEBUTING! PAAAAAAAAAIIIIIGGGGGEEEEEEE!

Between the dig on Punks WM casket in the Undertaker intro and this, yeah CM Punk is not coming back.

They never let NXT women debut as strongly as they ought to. Paige is a total badass, both her character and her ring work.

But that title change was certainly a surprise.

No, he's not. But AJ losing the strap is not about CM Punk. It's about NXT, which is Triple H's baby.

It was nice I liked the surprise but she is ghostly white

So Bo and Adam are good

Wonder if Cesaro gets a new theme

LMAO singing Cesaro theme

Now that's good I'm a fan of cesaro

Wow

THIS IS THE BEST DAY OF MY LIFE

They aren't great wrestlers yet. But they have lovely characters.

Cesaro bringing out Heyman moved me to actual tears. Life is beautiful.

What is Cesaro now? Face or heel?

BAH GAWD KING, THAT TROPHY OF ANDRE THE GIANT HAD A FAMILY

Hard to tell which he is according to this fan reaction

That sucks bout trophy are they gonna do this every year. I saw this coming when he said Cesar's is zeb guy

I swear to God, WWE right now is better than the 80s, is better than the Attitude Era. This is the best it has ever been.

As long as they don't ruin it and squash Daniel Bryan today to kill his momentum and feed HHH 'a ego