I think people are still overrating Bucky Brooks a tad even though he has suddenly mocked Geno to KC because of Andy Reid. Remember, he's been one of those reeruns who consistently projects a LT to Kansas City so Albert can move to guard. He talked about it in 2011 AND 2012.

Former scout or not, he's still nothing more than an NFL-endorsed media whore who does zero research on the ACTUAL needs and practicalities of each team that he researches.

And sorry to say, but that's half of being a draft analyst. You can provide great analysis on players all you want, but if you can't see how they might potentially fit in on particular teams very well, then your job is ****ing worthless in the eyes of football fans.

Another idiot, yay!

RG3 is no Vick? Better check that again buddy. RG3 ran as much in his rookie season as Vick has in any single season of his career.

I doubt the guy bookmarking times when his critics try to point out dirt about him hurts his draft stock in any way.

Kobe Bryant and most other elite athletes do the same thing.

He is bookmarking them as motivation for when he arrives in the NFL.

Truefan post from another board (might be the one that most motivates me to go buy some antifreeze and force-feed it to someone yet):

"I might be tempted to take the Alabama Center, he plays center, guard and tackle. A&M might not be a bad pick either, depends on the center situation. This might be the year to trade down, but not too far down and only for great compensation."

I had forgotten when I got called a moron/racist. Thanks for bumping that, aturnis. Was that really only yesterday?

Holy balls what is wrong with these people?? You sit through a shitfest 2-14 season with the worst QB play of all-time and pine for O-lineman.

These must be the same idiots that call in to local KC sports talk radio shows.

3 positions Turd....THREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Draft lion with 3rd round pick since SKov isn't available?

I. Think. So!

My take on the OL-piners? Many football fans are EXTREMELY conservative in their views of the game. This take is reinforced by all the talking heads they see on TV, who are either old coaches, old players, or entrenched media members. The OL piners are guys who are hardcore-enough fans to watch ESPN a lot and listen to talk radio and watch the Chiefs religiously, but they don't like change. They don't like or understand the wealth of knowledge and information available to the average joe because of the wonder that is the internet.

Side note: Can you guys imagine what Akili Smith's stock would have been perceived as by the average fan had he been around in the age of YouTube (When anyone can watch game film and most prospects have "every throw" videos available?).

Anyway, there is NO league where "new and different" is as hated as the NFL. But I would bet that the OL-piners and the BPA-available guys, these average Joe Footballfans, would have some interesting thoughts on other sports, too. The conservatism would seep in.

For example, in baseball, they would be extremely anti-SABRE. In the NBA, they'd hate the illegal defense, so on and so forth.

Bucky Brooks latest mock draft, posted yesterday:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-d...-brooks/155114

How nice would it be if we could snag Geno top overall, then take Zach Ertz/Tayvon Austin at the top of the second?

Oh god please purge of these idiots, I beg of thee!

****. Why couldn't have Joeckel been the asshole with the fake dead girlfriend?

The O-line is fine....****. Team ran at will on pretty much everybody when they knew it was coming. The only damn reason people say it isn't is the sacks and that's on the ****ING SHITSTAIN QB's

You can never have enough offensive linemen!

2 hall of famers, 2 perennial all-pros, and a 1st round pick at RT.

ZERO playoff wins.

Sounds like a great plan!

Thanks for ****ing up the page, PGM.

Edited. Sorry, the prophecies of the True Fan Nostradumbasses get to me sometimes.

The thing that people just can't seem to wrap their minds around when talking about drafting Joekel is that one or two things are happening if you do that.

You are either replacing a top 10 LT that walks in free agency, and thus not upgrading any position, or you are moving that top 10 LT to guard (after paying him LT money), thus using the #1 overall to upgrade the guard position.

Either scenario is an absolute waste of the pick.

Geno is a fake prospect anyway.

I'm curious as to why people even think (starting) OL is a position of need?

Albert gave up ONE sack all year.

We had a 1500 + yard rusher.

We LOST a game in which we ran for 350 yards.


Helen Keller can see what the ****ing problem is, and it's NOT the OL.

Allen, Hudson, Asamoah, and Stephenson all have experience... and are young. And there is Winston too. O-line ain't the problem here. Hell, it might be our best overall position.

With the rookie cap in place there's no better time to draft an elite LT.
It's pennies on the dollar.
Drafting a dud at QB could set the franchise back for another 17 years.

I guess Phiilip Rivers will have that affect on a fan's perception.

AFC Championship appearance baby.:)
BTW - I highly doubt Reid goes QB in the 1st. He's a bear and he loves other bears... Geno will go to Arizona.

Chargers fans are afraid we're taking Geno.

No trolling allowed

:facepalm:

Talking about Geno to buddy tonight. He is convinced KC will take Jokel and Geno isn't worth #1, and finally just a pulled a 'prove it he isn't worth it' on him, and his answer was that 'pro scouts' didn't think he was a #1 and that's who he listens too. Yes, he has seen every shred of video, statistical evidence (the accuracy chart, all his game tape, all the highlight vids, the stat comparisons, EVERYTHING) and still won't admit it.

I told him it was because he was scared that we would end up with Geno while Rivers (hes a traitorous chargers fan) slowly withers and dies.

im almost convinced we arent taking Geno. I want them too, but something tells me, its not gonna happen :( if he really goes by his BPA and they have someone rated better, the chiefs are screwed maybe.

This should have been the first sentence so I could have saved some time.

i'm pretty sure we aren't drafting a QB in the first round...

Chiefs have never done the right thing, and their fans have never wanted them to...I won't believe they are capable of it until they actually do it

If we don't pick one #1 overall, there won't be any left that later on.

I've resisted trolling this thread for almost 4 months. I deserve some credit.
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I don't think we'll take him at #1. We might trade back and take him but, I think it's going to be a linemen if we stay at #1. Dorsey was very adament about taking the best player available no matter the position and Geno just isn't the best player in this class. I like him but, there are several better players. I think it would have been more likely for ***** to take him than Dorsey. The new regime isn't backed into a corner and both Dorsey and Reid have talked about a 3 year time table.

1. Please learn what BPA means and understand its many definitions and possibilities before superimposing Dorsey's vague draft plan onto our QB situation next year

2. You realize that regardless of "several better players" that QBs are exponentially more valuable than those guys are? And yes, that goes for pass rushers and LTs, too, especially when we already have plenty of good ones on the team

3. Geno is going to be gone if we trade back. If we trade back we're missing out on the best QB in the draft most likely, unless someone like Wilson leaps him during workouts/interviews. And I highly doubt that at this point.

That's my philosophy. I want them to select Smith (or Wilson). But I don't believe they will. It would be the antithesis of everything they've done for basically the entire existence of the franchise.

I figure I might as well expect the worst. That way I can manage my reaction when they do it. Sucks to have to think that way, but you kind of have to with the Chiefs, and decade after decade of them drafting every position except the most important one. At least this way if I'm surprised it'll be pleasantly. Unless there's another Tyson Jackson on the board.

It'll probably be Joeckel.

I hear you man and I know where you are coming from but, I think Dorsey defined what BPA means to him pretty well in the interview with Mitch Holthus. I agree that QBs definately get pushed up draft boards and I think Geno will too. Obviously it's the most important position.

It's not that I wouldn't take a QB #1, it's that I don't think Reid and Dorsey will. I don't think they feel the desperation that we do and there are better players than Geno.

still not sure. This franchise has broken me. They continue to do the wrong thing over and over and over again. Sometimes you just get them franchises that suck and are stuck in the mud and never will go anywhere. I Feel thats where this team will always be. I've been broken as a fan. lol

the perversity of drafting joeckel is mind destroying...

If Alberts back is bad and they decide to not take him, drafting Joeckel I guess makes sense.


That said, if his back checks out, IMO, you just re sign him and keep developing him. I don't really think he's topped out yet and he's still young.

I'm curious to see what Kiper will do, mock wise, if we re sign Albert and Bowe in free agency.

The Packers are the luckiest draft team ever.

Last year's draft just lined perfectly for them.

They needed a lot of players to fix their defense, and the BPA in every round just happened to be defensive players.

Dorsey and Reid are selling a bill of goods, and everyone is just buying it.

So, drafting Allen and Stephenson last year in the second and third rounds respectively, isn't enough?

Two of the better left tackles in college football drafted high isn't enough?

And they both now have NFL experience at the LT position?

And drafting another LT one year later makes sense?

Shit O...

I thought better of you.

Thank.

You.

Man, I'm just trying to wrap my head around all this. I'm all up for Geno, thought it would be a for sure thing by now.

I dunno waht to think.

I think we can agree that BPA is a little more complicated that the best player at any position available.

Frankly, I don't see why this is really a discussion. If we want to go based on history and how guys draft, the only time Reid was in a situation like this, he drafted a QB.

So there we go. Done.

Bingo.

And the guy he drafted didn't have the intangibles that Geno does.

Like this shit needs to be worked and over-worked.

It is a done deal.

Thank the maker(s).

I don't like that Clark is coming out saying what he's saying about QB's at this point.

But I hope you are right.

Like I give a shit what Clark says. The guy hired Peeholi. Endorsed Crennel as head coach. Gave a thumbs up for Daboll to run the worst offense the NFL has seen in 80 years - literally.

Reid and Dorsey have drafted very good QB's when they needed to and when they had them sitting there for the taking.

This shit is a done deal.

I think he was just trying to justify us somehow taking Joekel. I know OCity wants Geno.

Are you sure he said those actual words, and not just BPA no matter what? There is a big difference between BPA and BPA no matter the positions. I also disagree that ***** would be more likely to pick Geno.

Also, as far as the timetable goes, that time doesn't start until you get an actual QB. You don't build the team and then drop the QB in. At least, that's a difficult way to do it. They aren't going to just wait around on that position. Dorsey also was very honest about a good team needing a very good QB.

Do you think they are just feeding us lines, or just not explaining that BPA allows, even demands, need as a factor?

Both.

I don't think this is meant to be as a slight to fans but more as a smokescreen.

I'd buy the luck opinion if they weren't so consistent. Year in and year out they continue to add good players. Besides adding guys like Rodgers and Matthews look at what they've done after the 1st round

2011:Randall Cobb 2nd/64th 2010: Mike Neal 2nd/56th, Morgan Burnett 3rd/71, Andrew Quarless 5th/154th, Marshall Newhouse 5th/169th, James Starks 6th/193rd C.J. Wilson 7th/230 2009: T.J. Lang 4th/109th, Jarius Wynn 6th/182nd 2008: Jorday Nelson 2nd/36th, Patrick Lee 2nd/60th, Jermichael Finley 3rd/91st, Josh Sitton 4th/135 2007: Desmond Biship 6th/193rd James Jones 3rd/78th Mason Crosby 6th/194th 2006: Greg Jennings 2nd/52nd.

Lots of good picks in that group especially the WR corps :drool:

I agree. And smokescreen is a better word than what I used. This leads into Eagle fans saying that's the worst thing about Andy. That he feeds you lines and then a week later makes a move that contradicts what he said. In the end I don't care about the press conferences. They can say as little or as much as they want. All I care about are results.

I think you misunderstood what Milkman was saying. He was just using luck as a joke to make the point that the Packers drafted 5 straight defensive players last year, and that it shows an eye on need.

Again...

Clark also came out and said in so many words "I'm just a fan, what do I know? I pay Dorsey and Reid to make these decisions."

You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Kind of where I'm at.

I think they will take Smith, that is how Reid started in Philly and it's clearly our biggest position of need.

I don't think Geno Smith is worth a #1 pick in general, but I am in favor of staying there and taking him anyway. He is probably the best QB in this draft and if we move down, we'll get stuck with the third or fourth choice. Jacksonville is likely to take a QB or trade with somebody who will since their GM ruled out Tebow. We might be overpaying in terms of a few draft slots, but at least we will have our guy.

I definately agree that luck plays a part. Hopefully, KC is due for some luck. It has been a while. It could be a smoke screen for sure but, I personally don't think it was. He was pretty specific and sincere in the interview imo.

I agree with most of this. Another thing I would point out is that BPA means something different at different stages in the draft. There is a point at which the value of positions changes.

Geno Smith is good at playing football.

Yeah but, isn't every player who is drafted? :)

Son, take a seat on my knee here and let me tell you a story about a man named Trezelle Jenkins...

ROFL That was a long time ago. I almost forgot about that guy. LOL


You kind of make my point. The guy was good in college and that's why he was drafted in the first round.

See, that's where you're wrong.

Trezelle Jenkins wasn't even good in college. He was pretty terrible, in fact.

He looked the part of a LT and that's it. He wasn't actually worth a damn at playing football even at Michigan.

I hear you but he did play in 28 games at Michigan. There was a lot of tape. He wasn't bad at Michigan imo.

He was just bigger than everyone.

His technique was terrible, his focus was intermittent at best. He was a guy that just stood around being gigantic.

I guess that makes him moderately effective at the collegiate level, but IIRC, draft guides had him as something along the lines of a 5th round pick (some higher, some even as a 7th rounder). His Michigan pedigree alone would've had him in the 5th round.

If that kid would've played at Middle Tennessee State, he'd have never gone anywhere. He wasn't a good football player, just a gigantic human being.

Ok, fair enough, 99.9% of the players that are drafted are "good" in college.

This. It would be a truly mind-****ing, T-Jack moment all over again.

Drafting Star would be another 5-tech at the top of the draft
Drafting Joeckel minorly upgrades guard or LT, and not by a wide enough margin to be worthy of the top pick...I'd WOULD be fine if they use a 2 or 3 on the line though.
Drafting a wideout is pointless because we don't have a qb.
Drafting jones is dumb because his neck has a degenerative disease that will only get worse.

The ONLY pick that makes sense is Geno Smith and these reasons are why he will be the BPA.

Is it Jones' neck or back that ****ed up?

Everything you are saying MIGHT be true. What if we tag and trade Albert to someone like St. Louis for their two firsts? It's unlikely but they need a LT bad and there won't be one at #16 or #22. Also, Albert definately isn't going to want to play guard in a contract year. I could see him not signing the tag unless they promised he would play LT. What happens with Albert will be very telling of what we do with the #1 pick.

We could draft Star. Andy loves to draft linemen and we need two of them.

We won't take a WR and I agree with your summary there.

Who knows what Jone's physical will be like? I doubt we draft him anyway since we are staying in the 3-4 but, I wouldn't rule it out.

I like Geno but, he's not as good of a prospect as the other guys imo. He might not even be the best QB prospect. I could see a dark horse like Wilson coming from no where like Tannehill did last year...

No offense but, it's not as easy as you make it to be.

Tannehill? I wouldn't want him, we can do better and Geno certainly looks better.

neck

ROFL

Resign Bowe, Albert, and draft Geno. It really is that simple.

Starlite Loteui (sp) isn't a quality pass rusher as a defensive linemen.He is a beast against the run. If we want a high end run defender that isn't a good pass rusher, they overpay to keep Dorsey. It's as simple as that.

Dorsey was a MUCH better prospect coming out and has been developed as a 3-4 end by some of the best in the business.

What I'm trying to make clear as day is that there is NOBODY we can draft that gives us the value that any of the top quarterbacks give us. My preference is Geno Smith because I see him as the total package.

Plus arm
Elite accuracy (to every level of the defense)
Elite vision
Elite work ethic
Plus pocket presence
Plus experience
Played better against ranked teams
His qb rating went up each quarter
His stats improved every year
He has played in a pristine offense and air raid


I am baffled as to why the guy isn't getting a shiton more hype.

I think Chiefs fans are so beaten and weathered from years of True Fan bullshit exercised by the dumbasses in charge, that they assume the only way to win a Super Bowl is to pull off some incredible rape trade that involves offensive linemen somehow. It's like they think getting a guy at "value" is like Risk and the NFL awards us two extra wins at the beginning of every season.

I mean, surely it can't be as simple as, "Got the #1 overall pick? Got a QB? No? Then take a QB. Boom. You're done."

I don't see him (GS) as a sure thing at all but this is as good a plan as could be executed this offseason and I would feel very good about it.

Wilson? Dark horse? He's the consensus #2/3 QB in the draft already. A dark horse would be Ryan Nassib or Zac Dysert.