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Is it so hard to ask for a first round QB for once?
Any d-line we end taking in the first round ends up being a bust anyways. |
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2. Star isn't a terror rushing the QB, and even then the NT is rarely asked to get pressure like that even on 3rd down in the two gap 3. "You guys"? Are you an Eagles fan or what? 4. Rape |
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Just like all QB's named Matt from USC |
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1. Andy brought Brasher so a 1 gap is almost a certain. Poe will work excellent to collapse or push back the pocket. 2. Star is a very good DE/NT prospect in a 3-4. He can play UT or NT in a 4-3. Very scheme diverse...to answer number 3 yes. I actually want to pair him with Cox 3. answered...don't worry we come in peace 4. if you yell fire people will respond faster |
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Maybe pressure the QB isn't the right term. He is a giant dancing bear...almost flawless footwork and technique. He's gonna create a lot of push at the NFL level and he's gonna make himself some money. |
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We can find a true 3-4 DE/NT in the 4th round every year either via FA or the draft. |
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btw you guys are pretty cool. Like I said I'm not high on Geno, but you guys are desperate for a QB. As a fan of the Birds, I'm not used to having a top 5 pick...and this is an crappy year to own one. I personally want Rhodes for my teams. Not at 4 though.
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If you could go back in time and have the Eagles pass on Donovan McNabb, would you? |
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"Ehh... McNabb could have won more games. What gives?" "Doesn't go through his progressions enough." "He's big and black and athletic. Is he going to get injured a lot?" (the most uninformed losers will use this one) "Doesn't appear to have "it." He's not a winner. He quits too often. How come it always looks like he's got a bad attitude?" So you're saying if Geno Smith could have as successful a career with the Chiefs that Donovan McNabb had for the Eagles, we should take that, then? Because with Andy Reid in town and a QB like Geno, there's absolutely no reason why Geno couldn't be that QB that Andy Reid originally had in Philly. |
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He's gonna be calling the plays teaching Doug the ropes...Doug has done a pretty good job with our QB's here, so I'd like to see how he progresses for you guys. |
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Mingo, while impressive with his drive and ability to play through the whistle, is raw. I like the guy, but you could be getting a JPP or an Aaron Maybin with him. That's not a #1 overall pick. That's a huge boom/bust pick you make if you have a team that's solid and you can afford such a pick. And his numbers through his career are not representative of a guy who is a sure fire #1 pick. Jordan is almost the same guy as Mingo. Raw, athletic and started to disappear when he became the focal point of the defense in 2012. His stats dropped and he wasn't the disruptive force he was in 2011. Again, not a guy you spend the #1 pick on. They are not Von Miller, and even he didn't go #1. Moore is a tweener that is either going to have to add weight or drop it to play either end or LB in either scheme. He's most likely a 43 DE. However, he doesn't have superb instincts and ends up chasing plays rather than creating them. Finally, Geno is definitely better at his position than Mingo, Jordan and Moore are at theirs. They are good players, but none of them have put up consistent production that would merit even a top ten pick. The only guy who has is Jones, and he doesn't have elite speed and has a degenerative neck injury that is going to be a huge concern for any team looking at drafting him. Quote:
Starlite is a very good player, but he's not the disruptive, upfield force that guys like Suh, McCoy, Dorsey and the like were at the same stage. He's immensely strong and can absolutely hold a gap like crazy. He's a 34 or 43 NT in the mold of a Vince Wilfork. And I don't know if he's that good, but that is his absolute ceiling. I'd even argue that John Hankins of Ohio State is better due to more versatility. Both are near identical players. And the Chiefs just spent the #11 pick on basically the same type of player in Dontari Poe last season. There is not a chance in hell that he's going to the Chiefs #1, nor is he worth the #1 pick. Quote:
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And he's still not as good at his position as Geno has been at his. Geno's body of work is stellar. That he didn't win more his senior year is most definitely not on him due to a defensive unit that gave up an average of 47.6 points per game in their six losses. Geno did all he could and carried that team. And he's got a BCS MVP game under his belt from his junior season. The stats are identical/better than both Luck and Griffin, the two "superstar, can't miss prospects" from last year. And the amazing thing is that Geno's stats against Top 25 teams are even better than what he put up against the rest. He's got all the tools. Prototype size. Experience. The only thing that Geno is going up against in terms of not being the consensus #1 in this draft is Luck, Griffin and Wilson and the success they had in the NFL this season. He's a better prospect than every QB that has gone in the top ten in the past 10 years other than a guy named Luck. Tell me that Tannehill, Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Bradford, Stafford, Ryan, Russell, Young, Leinhardt, Sanchez, or Smith are a better pro prospect coming out, had better tools and a better career than Geno Smith at the same stage. They aren't. And no one had problems with those guys getting picked in the top ten or even #1 overall. Yet Geno as the #1 overall is bringing out the uneducated masses from the woodwork like a plague of silverfish. However, there seems to be a general consensus around here with the more astute posters that Geno is the guy. I've never seen that before either. I think I'm going with Group #2 on this one versus the horde of silverfish. |
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Jarvis is horrid against the run and top tackles. The neck issue doesn't help, though he's tremendous at rushing the passer. In regards to Warmak, I highly suggest you go back and watch the NC if you can. There is one play near the end of the 3rd QT where he got cut by a DE and was blocking Tuitt from his knees, Te'o tried to close a gap and he blocked him (while blocking Tuitt) with 1 arm. The guy is an absolute freak. He's a way better prospect than Jones. That's why many regard him as the best in the draft. He's like Shawn Andrews but better IMO (before he went crazy). Geno has some accolades to his name and some gaudy numbers. IDK how he's gonna do at the next level. I have my questions and he def isn't the undoubted #1 prospect. In regards to Star, I think he's scheme diverse...I personally would take him to play NT next to Cox for us in a 4-3 1 gap. |
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Had an interesting discussion with a Rams fan I respect greatly tonight. He is CONVINCED Sam Bradford was a much more proven, elite player coming out of college than Geno. I tried to bring up the lack of talent around him - especially the OL talent. And then he brought up the progressions issue and started citing the LSU game (which I had linked him to) as an example. I pointed out that: 1) LSU game, he didn't have TIME to progress through more than 2 reads; 2) Bradford had considerable talent around him. Comparable at WR/TE and MUCH MUCH better OL to protect him. People really do seem to blame Geno for how bad the rest of his team was (outside Austin and Bailey). Just funny. |
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Let's be real for a second. I like Nassib a lot. Most guys around here do. But he's not close to Geno in terms of potential or production. Everyone likes to have their homer favorite, but there is a time for a little objectivity, especially with the first overall pick. I've got season tickets for the Utes, and even if we didn't pick Poe last year, I still wouldn't want the Chiefs picking Starlite #1 overall. Geno is as good as I've seen at the QB position at the college level in a long, long time. There have been two QB's that I wanted the Chiefs to take in the past 10 years when they had a realistic chance of taking them - Kaepernick and Rogers. And I like Geno better than either at the same stage. |
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I've never said I don't like Geno...and you're entitled to your opinion on him. I think he's good, but IDK how good he'll be on the next level. I don't think he's a can't miss. N it's not really bias, I like Nassib as a QB. Said it here I think, that he reminds me of a young Farve. WHo's gonna be better? IDK, but if i was to make a guess him, Geno and Dysert are gonna be the most successful long term. |
Aight boys and girls. Next couple days I'm starting a new Geno thread. Here's what's going to be in the OP:
-Most of the stuff (including the three gifs) already on this OP -The fantastic Arrowhead Addict hightlight video of Geno that Pest posted earlier today -Links to other gifs (on a remote site) Let me know if you want other stuff in there. Post it here. We're gonna break 10,000 soon, so get'em in quick |
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There is some good football knowledge around these parts with some of you! |
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The problem with both guys is that they don't have the arm to go over the top of the defense on a consistent basis from a quick release. Geno does - with accuracy. I hate the term, but both Bradford and Smith are high level "game managers" versus a guy that has a bit of a gun slinger in him to go along with that type of accuracy. That's what makes Geno so appealling to me. And Geno has absolutely no problem with going through his progressions. He does so quickly when necessary. He's very good at looking off the safety which leads to the "throwing open" his receivers - a lot. He's shown that ability in every game I've watched of his and isn't a concern in the slightest. The fact that he had such a porous offensive line and a horrid defense and still put up such amazing numbers is a testament to his skills as a passer. He was forced to make throws in tight windows all game long just to keep his team in it and he was successful in doing so. Give him even a remotely decent offensive line and a defense he can lean on a bit and you end up with what he accomplished in his junior year. Give him an NFL team with good bookend tackles and a young, talented interior and a good defense *cough*the Chiefs*cough* and he's going to give you some good shit. At least that's my hope. |
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<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/_47VbmsFFlI?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/PqZCUfb1dl4?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/V2XLk3me72Y?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/5RdnGumF0Ng?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Yeah...that with Andy Reid. Reid with a renewed focus, a supportive owner and GM and Geno Smith. You can't help but to be a fan of that. |
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My god...he throws a beautiful ball.
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It's vital to drafting Geno because the laughs it will evoke will bring positive attention to your cause. |
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I will not give away all the in the open secret locations, but there's some good stuff in our realm |
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If you become a cardiologist, will you make exceptions for patients who come in and ask you to clean their teeth? |
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And LMAO at Chris Weinke in his corner. |
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So no. |
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http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/1...iefs-no-1-pick |
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Can I have Mike Glennon as our #1 pick? |
We are not drafting GS @ #1....get the **** over it...this is seriously getting ridiculous and sad...JFC
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You'll be one of about 11 people who will be disappointed though. The rest of us will be downright giddy. |
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I am really just trolling SNR at this point. |
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Saying Glennon sucks is like saying Geno is going to be amazing. Nobody knows. |
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Be prepared to be pleasantly surprised, Geno (and SNR!!!) fans! ;) |
Glennon has concrete in his shoes and everything breaks down under pressure.
That and he is half ostrich. Do not want. |
Glennon has concrete in his shoes and everything breaks down under pressure.
That and he is half ostrich. Do not want. |
Geno or any other QB has the benefit of Green Bay drafting Rodgers at 24th pick , because the current FO knows the template in what to look for in a franchise QB. If they think Geno has similar or the exact qualities that Rodgers has then he'll be the #1 overall pick.
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And I know Geno is going to be amazing. I'm just sitting here with an itchy trigger finger waiting to push the "purchase" button on the NFL Shop site for my new authentic #12 Geno Smith Chiefs jersey as soon as he's signed a month before the draft. And just to let you know, in my first mock of the year (very early), I had Glennon as our fourth round option. I don't hate the guy and think he has some tools, but when you are talking first round for a guy who has questionable accuracy and decision making, that's a big freaking step. A fourth round project - yes. Top ten? That's freaking nuts just because he's got a big arm and is 6'6". |
With the new CBA, I doubt that the Chiefs would sign Geno or any first round pick a month before the draft. Signability just isn't a concern anymore. Even if they love someone, they're going to field any and all calls from desperate suitors willing to sell the farm for that pick.
I still think they'll pick Geno, I just don't see it getting locked up early. |
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I agree. They are holding the best hand why show it? Might as well consider all the options and entertain any offers. Even if it means waiting until the first round pick with minutes to go. My guess Geno is a 50 percent chance of getting picked but to many variables to consider IMO. |
So this is disconcerting...
My buddy lives down the street from Brandon Albert in Lee's Summit. Albert's house has a For Sale sign out front (to be fair, it has been there since before the season ended and before Pioli was fired). |
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[youtube search box] "glenmo...glemno..glennon" |
brooks was on 810
laid it out that you have to draft a QB if you have a chance, most come from the 1st round etc...no equivocating...nice to hear then he explained his choice of Smith at #1 everyone agreed...a small moment of sanity on KC radio |
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I like Geno alright but, I think he should have gone to the senior bowl. People argue he didn't have much to work with at West Virginia and he would have there. I think it will hurt his stock.
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Gil said he mocked Joekel to us just because hes BPA. Not because of anything that has to do with Albert.
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it really is unanimous at this point he also gave Dorsey a long blow job...said he never would have drafted Jackson |
"Any time when you begin to build a franchise, let's be real, the quarterback is a very important part," Dorsey said.
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Fescoe : if you were running the chiefs who would be your Qb next year?
Brandt: my quarterback would be Cassel.... Posted via Mobile Device |
Brandt just outed himself as a "Cassel guy" and says that would be his QB next year.
ROFL He sidestepped explaining why Geno is OK at NO. 3 but not at No. 1 though, I think. |
holy shit
Brandt just said "I'm a Cassel guy!" he thinks we should keep Cassel and play him this guy is a ****ing straight up reerun |
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Gil is dead to me.
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jesus, that was embarrassing
he is a ****ing idiot |
http://www.810whb.com/page.php?page_id=140#
Andy Reid talks QB with Keitzmann. Not sure how to imbed here though. QB talk starts about 6:15 into it. |
Gil is a very nice guy. He's just old as shit and doesn't want to hang it up.
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Lmao text message and call line lighting up now.
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Matt Cassel lead the league in turnovers, even though he only played half a year...but we should pass on a quarterback with the top pick in the draft to replace a top 5 left tackle with a guy from a 1 read spread and keep Cassel as the starter. /drooling reerun
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