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jfc dude take a chill pill and relax. LMAO And did you really brag about being on a internet message board for over 20 years??? :LOL: Right on man give yourself a round of applause. That's impressive I guess. :thumb:

I haven't been on here that long but I do admit that I've noticed that you come across like some smug dbag guy that thinks his opinion is always right. I obviously do not know you in real life but you gotta admit that you come across like a complete tool quite a bit when discussing anything movie related. We get it , you have worked in Hollywood for 3 decades or whatever. Newsflash, no one gives a shit man. Also, how did you come up with the whole " over 95& of people on here enjoy my insight on Hollywood! Alright! I AM SPECIAL DAMN IT!!!!!11" ROFL

I mean the lack of self awareness and smugness is absolutely fascinating but next time just chill the F out jfc.

Honestly, I don't hate that episode. Yeah it isn't exactly plausible, but it was weird enough to keep me entertained. "Masks" is another late TNG episode that most people consider terrible that I actually enjoy.

What the hell is wrong with you?

I'm not saying it's a great episode or anything, but I don't think it's one of TNG's worst by a long shot.

Negatives:

- Picard looks stupid in a mask.
- One of the voices that Brent Spiner uses sounds silly.


Positives:

- I like the fact that after 7 seasons the show wasn't afraid to do something different and weird. They weren't just doing "hard headed aliens of the week" plots or rehashing stuff they had already done.

- I like the fact that the plot weaves together multiple aspects of Picard's personality: his interests in archeology ("Contagion"), mythology ("Darmok"), mysteries ("The Big Goodbye") and theater to help resolve the problem.

- Most of all I like the fact that the episode makes me wonder.What is the artifact? Who built it? Why would they build it? I like the alienness of the artifact and the fact that the mystery isn't wrapped up in 45 minutes. Outer space is vast, ancient, and unimaginably strange, but it doesn't always feel that way in sci-fi, particularly in Trek.


Imagine if...

The artifact originated on a sunbaked world. The artifact is similar to the probe from The Inner Light; the difference being that not only does it contain memories and cultural data it also has terraforming capabilities. What's more the artifact actually uses its designer's creation myth to carry out its terraforming operation.


Or, imagine if...


It's a version of our own Voyager probe but it's technology is so alien to us that it can't communicate its message to us properly. Imagine an alien species that is very different from our own but has holodeck type technology. Now imagine they discover Earth's Voyager probe. How would their technology interpret the sounds, images, and other information that we sent into space?


Or, imagine if...

That's kind of it, man. It's not really the Spiner voice. It's the entire ridiculous performance for each of his characters. And it's not really his fault, either. That's the problem. I don't know what Spiner was supposed to do differently as an actor to make it successful. He clearly hammed it up and put as much energy into that shit as he could, but the result was just ridiculous. If he were more reserved, then the performance would still be cringey to watch, just in a different way.

It's the archetype of Joe Menosky episodes (that and the one where the Enterprise is a freakin train or whatever).

I'm with you in that I give credit to Menosky for pushing the envelope and swinging big. Sometimes you swing big like that and you hit a home run. I think he did just that with the Voyager episode "The Thaw." In that one he took his favorite premise (creating a world out of the manifestation of cognition/dreams) and turned it up to 11. Only in this case, the surrealism is more constrained and serves as the villain rather than a mystery or problem that has to be solved through technobabble. You don't have to go deeper and deeper into the weird rabbit hole. And in my opinion, because you made the guest star role something big and important, you were able to get a quality actor like Michael McKean to come on and do the episode instead of a bunch of randos. The result is that the viewer buys in from start to finish. It's a great episode. One of the only really good ones from those first few seasons of Voyager.

Masks doesn't do that. It's been awhile since I've seen it, and it's hard to get myself to watch it again because I just don't find its shit to be that compelling. The performance and the concept is off-putting from the start, and thus, I can't get behind it.

Just my (and most of the fanbase's) opinion. You have your tastes, I have mine.

I'm not a big Voyager fan, but I'd say The Thaw is one of It's top 50 best episodes. I do wish they had ramped up the weirdness/scariness though. An alien's worst nightmare should probably be something freakier than Lenny from Laverne and Shirley dressed up in clown makeup and some pajamas that look like they were sewn together from the floorboard of a 1992 Chevy Lumina.

New Star Trek TV series coming to Paramount+?

For fans who have been sleeping on the new Trek shows since Discovery’s debut in 2017, the impending release of Strange New Worlds could be the reboot that Paramount+ and the Trek franchise needs. Here’s why.

Possible spoilers….
https://www.inverse.com/entertainmen...-paramount/amp

Another one being talked about…..reboot/spin-off of Captain Proton

One of the more obscure storylines from Star Trek: Voyager is closer than ever before to getting the revival treatment at Paramount+. Those who tuned into Star Trek: Voyager during its run between 1995 and 2001 may remember a short-lived side story in which Lt. Tom Paris enacted a holodeck novel called Captain Proton. Similar to the way Captain Jean-Luc Picard would act out 1920s gangster stories in the style of Dixon Hill novels, Paris would enter the holodeck and go on the adventures of Captain Proton in a 1930s B-movie style, black-and-white science fiction series.

Not saying the book was particularly great, but basically copying the theme of Starfleet: Year One for Enterprise would have been so much better than rehashing Next/Gen and Voyager themes, plots and catsuits.

LET'S DO THIS

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LEGEND

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WilliamShatner</a> was profoundly moved and articulate about his <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OverviewEffect?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OverviewEffect</a> experience. I studied his words while transcribing his post-flight thoughts. Now analyzing the way he experienced his brief time up there... He clearly immersed himself fully to take it all in. <a href="https://t.co/6IDyKyqB4N">pic.twitter.com/6IDyKyqB4N</a></p>&mdash; Cosmic Perspective (@considercosmos) <a href="https://twitter.com/considercosmos/status/1448656557894369292?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Takei's gotta be pissed. The first Star Trek alum to ride a dick into space wasn't him. LMAO

That's exactly what the rocket looks like. The feather vanes from a distance looks like a fully erect blue vein schlong.

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I'm watching this classic tonight. Highly recommended for fans of TOS. Roddenberry pitched Trek as "Wagon Train to the Stars" but in reality it was more like "Forbidden Planet... on TV."

so much damn fun! I hosted a watch party with that one! Yes, great flick

Some other great classic sci-fi is on the original Outer Limits and Twilight Zone.

It’s where a ton of actors and actresses got their start.

My kids and I will fire up the old black and white episodes on a Friday/Saturday night often.

I'm still attempting to learn how to use Photoshop. Here are a couple of pics I've been practicing with. I don't think there are a very many Enterprise fans out there, but I figured I'd post them anyway.


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This was one started off as an attempt at making a basic composit, but then I started working on some layer effects stuff, colorization, and the lighting filter (which i ****ing hate using).


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This was an exercise in seeing how various adjustment layers interact with one another. I still don't have a clue as to the usefulness of most of adjustment options.

Re-watching DS9... again.

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Best out of the Star Trek shows IMO.

I still don't understand why it hasn't gotten the HD treatment yet. You would think they would release a trial run "best of" collection at least.

With the (relative) death of physical media the TNG remaster didn't make as much money as they thought it would, and it killed the idea of remastering DS9 or Voyager back then. Plus DS9 and Voyager had a lot of low definition CG effects that would have to be redone to some extent. TNG used almost entirely filmed models, so it was more straightforward to use those original filmed elements in HD.

On the bright side, with the them pushing Paramount+ they might finally have the motivation to spend a little money. There was a rumor a few months ago that some company had been hired to do DS9 in HD, and was using AI to upscale the CG, but I haven't seen anything concrete.

Yeah I was just re-watching some of the S5/S6 Dominion War saga last week. Great stuff but definitely a bit jarring that it still isn’t in HD.

They dropped a new episode of Discovery and I watched the first segment, about 10 minutes or so. Looks like they have settled into making Burnham the new Captain Kirk surrounded by a lame ass ensemble cast. Not exactly horrific but quite the dud with no compelling reason to watch the show.

One of the things that annoys me about Discovery is how they never really bothered to define a lot of the characters' rank and position on screen, particularly the secondary characters. I mean, it doesn't annoy me as much as the shitty writing, but still.

Surprised you're still watching this shit.

I was going to go into another rant about how much I ****ing hate this show and its godawful shitty alphabet cast, but I've said it all before.

Holding out for Strange New Worlds, foolishly hoping that it won't be more woke dogshit masquerading as Star Trek.

I've given up. Trek fans seem to love the new shows so the chances of getting a show that I'd enjoy are pretty much nil since there clearly isn't a market for it.


I'm completely out of step with modern American culture so I'm pessimistic about liking 99.9999% of anything new in tv, movies, music, or books. Luckily, technology has made the old stuff I like more easily available.

I hear you. Personally I'm hoping that CBS has made note of the backlash and SNW will be the bone they throw us old farts to keep us interested. But the odds of that being the case are slim considering the vile ****s that make Discovery are still in charge. I really don't see Star Trek changing until all the current incarnations fade away and we get our own Favreau/Filoni types to step in and reboot it correctly.

I guess we'll have our answer if they turn Number One into a lesbian.

Nah. Not watching it. I noticed that they are doing a new season and saw that the first episode was available. So I watched the first 10 minutes or so to see what they are doing with it.

Fair enough.

The one thing I will say for the show is that it looks great. The special effects have been top notch since the beginning. Such a shame to see them wasted on this shit. It's like Avatar on steroids.

Well, I guess "steriods" is the wrong word. Is there some of super-charged estrogen equivalent?

That DS9 documentary “What We Left Behind” that Ira Behr made had an HD remastered sequence from one of the big Dominion battles. Was short, but cool.

I skipped around that documentary for about five minutes and decided to turn it off before it made me hate the cast. All I can remember is a scene with Colm Meaney (maybe?) bitching about the studio making Brooks shave his goatee off. He says that they claimed it was because they didn't want to confuse the audience by having him look like his Spencer For Hire character "Hawk" but it was really because they didn't want a black man to look tough and threatening or some shit. I think he even made an Uncle Tom reference. This was followed by an interview with a black guy who worked on the show saying that his first response upon hearing that Brooks was cast as the lead was "Holy shit! We hired HAWK!"


I may be misremembering all of this. The doc is (or was) on Youtube for free if anyone is interested.

Estroids? Funny that you mentioned Avatar. That opening bit that I saw was so CGI that I thought it was going to be a story about them going through holodeck training, as the title of the episode was Kobayashi Maru. But I guess that's just the look of the show.

The camera work sucks. They are so afraid of losing the audience's attention that they feel like they have to do the equivalent of jigging car keys in front of their faces every two seconds. Not every scene has to filmed like an action sequence.

Can you imagine how the end of Inner Light would be filmed today? There would be 8 quick cuts and a revolving dolly shot before Picard even makes it to the window. He would also be streaming (lens flared) tears so the audience doesn't miss the fact that he's sad. And finally we'd be treated to a bittersweet solo flute version of a David Bowie song or something as the camera slowly pulls back from the Enterprise.

I've quite enjoyed Lower Decks. Definitely "Trek Lite", but at least it's enjoyable and a good laugh.

I really like the Borg and Q episodes but I think this is still my favorite episode ever. If I won the lottery, I’d track down the flute owner and make him an offer he can’t refuse.

Ah yes, I had forgotten about that. I enjoyed that documentary. Good tribute to a deserving show.

My Star Trek pipe dream is they bring in Ira Behr and let him revive DS9 as they outlined in the doc. I didn't love every idea they proposed (I'm burned out on Section 31) but I liked a lot of it. Specifically the idea that the Jem'Hadar would convert to worshiping the Prophets and align with Bajor is interesting, and logically makes a lot of sense.

I haven’t watched the doc, but it would be really interesting to see Bajor become the bully with all that military might behind them.

You could even bring back Sisko a few times.

Why would the Jem'Hadar worship the Prophets?

/waves hand sprinkling Star Trek magic story dust

And you could make the argument that Bajor could be an ascending power on its own. They came out of the Dominion War relatively unscathed while everyone else took heavy losses. Cardassia is leveled and it was said in an episode the Klingons would take a decade to recover. On top of that Romulus is destroyed.

They were engineered to worship the Founders, it would make sense if the Founders freed them that they'd want something to fill that void. And given the role the Prophets played in the war, the Jem'Hadar would know they're real and respect their power.

Well, my next question would be "Why would the Founders release them?"

To which your reply should be "Go watch the documentary and find out!"



I've mentioned this before, but the early DS9 Relaunch novels aren't bad. The books between "Avatar" and "Unity" form a pseudo season 8. The usual caveats about tie-in fiction apply, of course.

Maybe the comic book will be a hit and we finally get to see some Klingons in action on the big screen.


In 2022, Star Trek: Klingons will chronicle the legendary life of Kahless the Unforgettable. IDW Publishing announced it would release Star Trek: Klingons in February. The comic book is the first installment in a series of extra-long one-shots spotlighting the Star Trek franchise's most iconic alien species. Writers Jackson Lanzing and Collin Kelly, writers/showrunners of the hit series Star Trek: Year Five, team up with artist Timothy Green II (Star-Lord, Annihilators, Animal Man) to tell the legend of Kahless the Unforgettable, the greatest warrior of the Klingon Empire, from the death of his cowardly brother Morath to his victory at Three Turn Bridge.

"I was, in large part, raised by Star Trek… and no culture helped me come to terms with my masculinity, my anger, and my personal code of honor more than the Klingons," says Lanzing in a press release. "So when I tell you the only thing more exciting to me than taking the Enterprise crew on their final journey in Star Trek: Year Five is getting to show the man behind the myth of Kahless The Unforgettable, you can believe it."

They actually don't go into it. I guess the assumption would be that the Founders actually did turn over a new leaf, because if they didn't the war would eventually start back up. And if their intentions were disingenuous Odo would know about it through the link.

Or how about we just flush the JJ shit down the toilet and keep Romulus around?

****ing this.

I don’t know a single trek fan that considers the JJ or Picard timelines as the main timeline.

It’s just side-show spin-off.

The posters on the Trek forums seem to love the new shows. Mostly. Somebody is watching this stuff or there wouldn't be so many new shows, right? I don't get it, but I don't understand a lot of things so it's just par for the course at this point.

I think they are just throwing shit out there so they have content for their streaming platform. Got a T-Mobile email saying they were giving customers a 1 year subscription to Paramount+ so I figured I'd go check out their content. Even free I didn't sign up.

Hollywood speculation about Brad Pitt in discussions for a Star Trek movie. Maybe the Tarantino version? Has he publicly said what his last movie is?

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It’s entirely possible that he’s talking to them about a brand new movie that no one has heard about yet. It’s also possible that this is a sign that Quentin Tarantino Star Trek movie is back on the table.


Mark L. Smith, who wrote The Revenant, co-wrote a Star Trek script with Quentin Tarantino. The story is said to be rated-R and includes tropes from 1930s gangster movies. While Tarantino has said some conflicting things about whether he’d ever actually make this movie, or direct it, it is a project that he has talked about a lot in interviews.

While Margot Robbie and Brad Pitt were promoting Once Upon A Time… In Hollywood, a Quentin Tarantino film they both starred in, they were asked if they’d want to be in a Tarantino Star Trek movie. They both said they’d love to do it. Quentin Tarantino often works with the same actors on multiple projects. While it’s been impossible to judge the odds of the Quentin Tarantino project ever happening, the idea of Brad Pitt talking to the studio about that one is certainly intriguing.

I want to live in a universe that this Tarantino Trek movie exists solely for the fact I would expect it to be so ****ing terrible that it may go all the way around to being good again.

Brad Pitt and Margot Robbie in Trek? Why not Leonardo DiCaprio and John Travolta while we are at it?

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They didn’t want to pay Chris Pine’s price a few years ago but they’re going to pay Pitt? Pitt would have to take a huge discount to ever get such a movie made.

None of it makes any sense, but look at the direction all the new Star Trek stuff is going.

We all love Pitt, but Pine is 5x the actor on top of it all.

"Say 'Qapla' again, mother****er!"


I don't know who I'd pick to make a good Trek flick, but if I was making a list Tarantino would be near the bottom. In fact , I think Tarantino ****ing sucks.


P.S. Remember this old pic?

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I always thought it wss pretty neat. Since I'm still practicing Photoshop stuff I thought I'd see if I could do something similar. Total disaster. I just spent 2 days trying to Photoshop someone into a Cardassian. The best of the bunch turned out looking like the Borg Queen with a bunch of snake themed refrigerator magnets stuck to her face.


P.P.S. I just read that Bob Herron died recently. He was a stunt man in hundreds of tv shows and movies, but TOS fans might remember him as Kahless in The Savage Curtain or as the laughing dude in the gym who Charlie X wishes into the cornfield. I'll always remember him from his work on The Wild Wild West; he was Ross Martin's stunt double and made several more appearances in bit parts.

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Anyone hoping that there will be good Trek anytime soon can forget about it:

In a Sunday New York Times profile, it was first reported that CBS Studios has renegotiated their deal with Alex Kurtzman. The new $160 million deal has now extended his stay for five and a half years, putting him in charge of the Star Trek Universe through at least 2026


https://trekmovie.com/2021/08/01/via...-on-paramount/




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If Tarantino wants his last movie to be a Star Trek Captain Kirk movie, he will get full control and final cut or he wont do it. And they will happily give it to him. Even if its the first "R" Star Trek movie.

Because of the advanced technology and past Star Trek universe movies, he could work in several movie genres he's never done like a gangster movie into this one.

I look forward to three hours of inane dialogue and countless ripoffs of ...er...I mean homages to other movies. Dude needs as editor almost as much as he needs some original ideas.

I think Tarantino appeals to a lot of people who want to think of themselves as esoteric movie buffs but who don't want to be bothered by watching a bunch of movies.

Everyone I know (including myself) likes Tarantino movies for the humor and violence, not because they see themselves as movie buffs. Star Trek would definitely not be my first choice for a Tarantino treatment, but I can't imagine the continued shit coming from Kurtzman being any better. Sad day for Trek fans.

Tarantino had a great run back in the early/mid 90's. After that.....meh.....

Yep

Reservoir Dogs
True Romance
Pulp Fiction

After those, I just didn't care anymore.

First half of Dusk til Dawn.


After that his movies went off the rails.

I finally watched it. I did it because I thoroughly enjoy Lower Decks and I know they make references to the other shows and I wanted to get those references.



The good:

Jet Reno is a phenomenal character and Tig Notaro plays the role perfectly. Jet is by far my favorite character in anything Trek created after DS9 with Phlox a close second.

Mirror Universe Georgiou was phenomenal. I do really hope that we get to see her one more time in some future exploration of the Mirror Universe... which for me is saying a lot because I loathe the Mirror Universe.

Saru is a wonderful addition to the Trek universe and is one of the best written Trek characters in a long time.

The CGI in the show is outstanding. I was thrilled to finally see some sort of fighter on fighter action in Trek instead of just the heavyweights duking it out.

I actually enjoyed Stammets. I loved how in the beginning of the series he is an abrupt condescending asshole... then upon getting high on shrooms he mellows out. He is still an abrupt condescending asshole... but a loveable one.

The Burn was a great plot device.



The bad:

I absolutely hate how Burnham started the series as someone who was shoehorned in as Spock's adopted sister raised as a Vulcan and held on to those mannerisms until well after she became a Commander which implies several years. By the end of season 1 she has dropped any pretense of her Vulcan upbringing outside of a very framed and emphasized eyebrow raise when talking about Spock and the occasional use of the word "Logic". The cadence of her voice changes completely halfway through the first season and only returns when she is dealing with Sarek or Spock.

Burnham is, to me, just unlikeable and as she is the focus of the show... has made this a less than thrilling series to get through. This bit in particular really stings because ST:Discovery could have actually been titled ST:Michael Burnham for about 2 seasons worth of episodes.

Klingon "Time Crystals". Seriously... WTF.

Season 4 was nothing more than a re-hash of the Xindi plotline in Enterprise with a super quick and neat bow tied on at the end of it.

Lastly... one would think that by the 32nd century that humanity would have gotten past the societal issues around gender and pronouns. For example, Adira expressing frustration/anxiety/sadness? over Stammets referring to them as "her". I just didn't even remotely expect that the writers of the show would see that as still being an on-going issue damn near 1,100 years into the future. Especially when Kirk and Riker had already plowed through half the universe including the a-gendered. To me, it felt a lot like how the writers felt the need to highlight that there were women on the bridge but did so in a negative light with Pike dressing down a Yeoman then stating he will never get used to women on the bridge on "The Cage".

/That last point is in no way shape or form to be taken as being phobic in any way. I'm 100% for representation and inclusion... I just question the negative spin they put on the issue and how people still viewed gender 1,100 years into humanity's future.