Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14066634)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Steve Spagnuolo&#39;s last DECADE of leading defenses.<br>Average in Yards Allowed: 25th in NFL (including worst or 2nd worst 4x)<br>Average in Points Allowed: 24th in NFL (including 30th or worse 3x)</p>&mdash; Matt Conner (@MattConnerAA) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattConnerAA/status/1088102915087257600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14066671)

Very few of them - no question.

I'm not expecting chicken salad from chicken shit here. But what I'm hoping for is a marginal step up on the talent. He's not going to have 'great players' on balance - he's gonna have a few good ones and he'll have to make due.

But you saw it just as I did - the goddamn Ravens performed so far above their true talent that it was ridiculous. That defense has some solid players, to be sure, but that's not why they were such an excellent unit. They were an excellent unit because they were versatile and played smart team defense.

Spagnuolo over the last decade has demonstrated a pattern of having just awful defenses with a single exception (that '16 team). Sutton's resume over his time in KC is BETTER than Spags over the same time period and that's just a horrifying thought. My point here isn't that Spags needed to be leading perennial top 5 defenses but rather to point out that his track record over that period is arguably the worst of any coach that has been continually employed in a coordinator or higher capacity over the last decade. The problem isn't that he didn't have great defenses - it's that he routinely produced objectively bad ones.

At that level of suck, the excuses just wash out. Maybe he didn't routinely have excellent players but jesus - I'm not going to just assume he routinely had players that awful either. Over an entire decade.

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 14066677)

His job will be very clear. Find a way to stop all the long clock killing drives that killed us. No one expects dominance but hold teams down forba half would be enough.

Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 14066682)

Doesn't inspire confidence. Don't know what to think.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14066550)

Marty says this is as good as done.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14066666)

Exactly. Andy wants a guy he ca set and forget. He wants to turn the defense over to someone who will control that side of the club so he can focus on Pat and the offense.

A young, never been before, DC is not that guy.

Spags has been both a DC and a HC, so he knows how to gameplan, prepare his team and control a locker room.

I dont love the hire either, but i get it.

Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 14066687)

Here's who he had on that 2016 defense that was top 10:

Defensive linemen

96 Jay Bromley DT
95 Johnathan Hankins DT
98 Damon Harrison DT
58 Owa Odighizuwa DE
78 Romeo Okwara DE
90 Jason Pierre-Paul DE
99 Robert Thomas DT
54 Olivier Vernon DE
72 Kerry Wynn DE

Linebackers
52 Jonathan Casillas OLB
93 B. J. Goodson MLB
94 Mark Herzlich OLB
59 Devon Kennard OLB
57 Keenan Robinson OLB
91 Kelvin Sheppard MLB
53 Deontae Skinner OLB
97 Ishaq Williams OLB

Defensive backs

33 Andrew Adams FS
24 Eli Apple CB
29 Nat Berhe FS
21 Landon Collins SS
25 Leon Hall CB
20 Janoris Jenkins CB
37 Eric Pinkins SS
41 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB
30 Coty Sensabaugh CB
31 Trevin Wade CB

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14066582)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Your new defensive coordinator, barring a complete breakdown in talks, will be Steve Spagnuolo. He was a defensive assistant under Andy Reid in Philadelphia from 1999 - 2006.</p>&mdash; The Chiefs Kingdom (Ver 2.0) (@1_ChiefsKingdom) <a href="https://twitter.com/1_ChiefsKingdom/status/1088102515432771584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14066671)

Very few of them - no question.

I'm not expecting chicken salad from chicken shit here. But what I'm hoping for is a marginal step up on the talent. He's not going to have 'great players' on balance - he's gonna have a few good ones and he'll have to make due.

But you saw it just as I did - the goddamn Ravens performed so far above their true talent that it was ridiculous. That defense has some solid players, to be sure, but that's not why they were such an excellent unit. They were an excellent unit because they were versatile and played smart team defense.

Spagnuolo over the last decade has demonstrated a pattern of having just awful defenses with a single exception (that '16 team). Sutton's resume over his time in KC is BETTER than Spags over the same time period and that's just a horrifying thought. My point here isn't that Spags needed to be leading perennial top 5 defenses but rather to point out that his track record over that period is arguably the worst of any coach that has been continually employed in a coordinator or higher capacity over the last decade. The problem isn't that he didn't have great defenses - it's that he routinely produced objectively bad ones.

At that level of suck, the excuses just wash out. Maybe he didn't routinely have excellent players but jesus - I'm not going to just assume he routinely had players that awful either. Over an entire decade.