Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 9074297)

apple is without Jobs...again. Last time that happened...

just sayin'. ;)

Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 9074268)

I'm not convinced that, from a detached evolutionary perspective, Apple won't end up in the tablet/phone market in the same place it's ended up in the PC market. I just don't see it happening in the NEAR (next couple of years) future, which is where I part with Apple haters and Droid enthusiasts.

Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 9073694)

I read your "middle management" rants and agree, middle managers (typically) suck, but they are NOT the people making the decisions: executives are. Why is it the executives are foregoing Apple products for Windows? (Rhetorical question; we all know why: broader hardware base, much better price point, lower TCO, greater ROI, MUCH broader application support.

Originally Posted by DaveNull (Post 9072508)

Let me tell you what that sounds like to someone who pushes technology for a living but doesn't live in IT Managment. "This works with our current setup. If I give this to people, I don't have to change anything about what my job looks like. Every one of my software reps will buy me so many more shots next year because I'll be buying more of their crap. I don't have to learn anything new, and if anything I'll be able to increase the help desk staff and therefore continue to protect my kingdom. All this while looking totally cutting edge by telling people we're giving them tablets, even though they asked for iPads. The Surface really is the best of both worlds."

Is that probably off base? Sure it is. But that's the perception you're creating when you get so excited about something that fundamentally is no different than the crap you've been pushing for years that people started to rebel against.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9074579)

However, your assertions on TCO and ROI are debatable AT BEST.

Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 9076944)

Check Alinean. The numbers tell the story.

Too often people mix their personal preferences into these discussions. Perception is NOT reality; it is perception. An objective, broad view of the landscape indicates that ROI is higher, and TCO is lower. The factors that you indicate as the reason are variables in the calcs, to be certain, but they are not the sole variable.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9044859)

I thin it just depends on an individuals preference and situation. For me it was the laptop. My kids now use my old laptops for games, etc.......I still like to use my desktop PC for any work or productivity work i do at home. I have a seperate den/office with a nice desk in my house so i like using the room. My iPad i use all around the house for any fun stuff like surfing and Netflix. I dont really play PC games anymore. Only console.

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 9077069)

Shame...

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9077079)

So many of the really good games come out on all platforms. The only game I've played on PC recently that I couldn't get on console was Rome Total War.

And you have to admit, tuning a PC can sometimes be a real bitch.

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 9077109)

Skyrim is so much better on PC, plus all those mods.... ;)

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9077202)

There's no way it could be "so much" much better on any platform. It's a 99/100 already on PS3. Slightly better graphics aren't a selling point at all.

And I will be lucky to finish the base game in less than a year. Mods have zero appeal.

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 9077287)

Zero? really? I guess different strokes for different folks but more choices is always better for me. I hate being pidgeonholed into playing a certain way and that is why i hate consoles.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9077360)

So do you even play the original game no mods? Or do you read up and dive right in to what you think the best mods are?

The only mods I've ever played religiously were for total conversions for Total War and Starfleet Command and then only because they changed the time periods (and thus the unit sets) for the game.

I can't imagine playing any mod for Skyrim that would be that much better than the original.

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 9077378)

I usually play the game in it's original state first. There are quite a few Mods that add to the gaming experience.

This list is updated quite a bit and there are many different variants all over the net but some of the mods ARE better than vanilla. I will add that I LOVE the flying airship, it's breathtaking. Quite a few mods end up as full games, like Killing floor.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/10/28/th...skyrim-mods-2/

Here is a link to the premier modding site(other than the steam workshop)

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9077442)

Yeah, that's just something I don't have time for. I don't have the gaming time or the wherewithal. I like sitting down, turning on a controller, and spending a couple hours playing a game.

I just don't have the cycles for PC gaming anymore.