The best team in the NFL converted 48 percent of third downs. 40 would put us about 10. I'd take that.

So we should hold that against him? He can't use Charles when he gets here?

I don't think a QB's final college game should be viewed as an "irrelevant exhibition game". Teams want to win their bowl games. Smith made it a point of saying how much he studied Syracuse and wanted to beat them. No college player wants to leave scouts with a sour taste in their mouth.

2 iffy weather games for Smith (Tx Tech wind and Syracuse) and he wasn't able to show that he could drive the ball very well.

It wasn't "single handedly" if Tavon Austin did a lot of the heavy lifting.

What about he Iowa State game, where he did drive the ball?

Get out of my head, demon David Blaine.

In the fourth quarter he threw 3 TD passes not to Austin.

See, this is where I think a lot of angst came from when I asked questions about Geno. D-bags like you who bust in and insult everyone in the thread. Then I get lumped in with people like you.

Just curious, but you guys that don't like Geno as a prospect, what kind of prospect do you want? What kind of prospect would you take at 1 overall?


Prospect, not what they have become, but at the draft time.

I think around draft time, it's trendy to refer to prospects as potential first ballot HOFers because it builds excitement for the draft. The problem is people don't consider the facts when making statements like that.

If Dorsey said it, I'd be worried. Since it came from NFL Philosophy, fock 'em

So was Willie Roaf.

And we won how many playoff games with him along with fellow Hall of Famer Will Sheilds and three All-Pro's at the other line positions?

And there is no ****ing way that Joeckel is even remotely close to Ogden. That's deranged shit right there.

IMO, the "right" QB, is all about the perfect match. He has to match up perfectly in the correct system.

So, thats what we have to identify.

And Geno is a PERFECT fit for Reid's WCO...

Well no shit. He can't throw it to himself.

On a 5 man line, we had two HoFers and 2 MORE perennial All Pros. We won exactly ZERO ****ing playoff games.

**** LUKE JOECKEL.

**** TAKING A LT FIRST.

AND **** ANYBODY THAT ACTUALL WANTS TO.

RAGE!!! ANGT!!!!

**** YOU!

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You must not follow college then

Beat it Knowmo.

No shit.

I'd like to think you and I aren't the dumbest people on this board. I'm thinking when we're literally parroting each other, that should probably carry a little bit of weight.

Would not be surprised to see Tyler Bray to be honest. I think he has a higher ceiling of anyone in the draft. He is clearly a boom or bust pick though.

We think we have him defeated and he turns into 100 Agent Smiths

Remember when Joeckel was a Heisman finalist? Oh yeah...that didn't happen.

This isn't Orlando Pace. He hasn't played football in a month but suddenly Joeckel went from an obscure lineman in front of the most mobile QB in college football to being on par with a guy that absolutely abused college football for 2 seasons in Pace. Why? Because Mel !@#$ing Kiper said so and people are too lazy to think for themselves.

This isn't even Joe Thomas. Hell, I don't think the guy is Ryan Khalil.

Idiots. Wall to wall idiots.

And how many playoff games has Long won? Roll your eyes to that shit.....Matt Ryan just won a playoff game and is one game away from the SB. How many playoff games has Jake Long even PLAYED in? Roll those eyes.....ROFL

We already have an excellent LT...A bunch of scared pussies on this board...

I've seen mocks that have him falling to the 3rd round - that's a no-brainer of a selection.

But there's no way it happens.

Nassib is a very talented QB.
Glennon is the new name in the media.
Dysert is a man child.
Scott needs to learn some things

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If the Chiefs believe Ryan Mallet is the guy for them, I'd have no problem if they gave up their 1st round pick to the Pats for him.

Done with this guy

Double post for the tard on twitter

Especially considering I am not typically a QB-lover. In fact, I think Hamas still hates me because I pooh-poohed Matthew Stafford.

I like Mallet, but a 1st overall pick? What a ****ing reerun.
Geno Smith is twice the prospect.

Also, regarding Tyler Bray:

He's an incredibly spoiled, entitled person who has problems accepting responsibility, lacks maturity and isn't obsessed with football.

There's a chance he pulls a Brett Favre and overcomes that. I think it's more likely he JaPorky/Ryan Leaf or even Jeff George clone. Someone who has a rocket right arm and could be an elite QB if he wasn't such a douchebag.

And if that doesn't turn you...

He was confounded for AN ENTIRE HALF by the defensive group piloted by DAVE FREAKIN STECKEL of Missouri. The defensive group that hasn't had an entire, good half against a legitimate passing attack in his entire time as the DC. The defensive group that got clown shoes hung on it BY THE PASSING OF CONNOR SHAW.

I don't think he's making a suggestion, I think he's taking the most absurd example possible and making a point of it.

He's saying that if Reid and Dorsey think there's a perfect guy out there for him and are willing to give up their #1 overall for him...well they kinda have a decent track record in this regard.

I've followed the guy for awhile; he knows better than that. I don't think anyone would ever argue that Mallet is even a remotely tolerable fit for Andy Reid's system. It would essentially be like playing with a drunken Michael Vick on 2 broken legs. He's just a massive, stationary arm with accuracy issues and a ten-cent head.

It's essentially the exact opposite of what Reid would look for, but that's this guy's point.

Bray reminds me of Jay Cutler...he pouts a lot and acts like a dumby face. He's got all the talent in the world though, but he's a nutjob.

http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/a...fs/stunned.gif

What the **** is that shit?!

You got to be absolutely ****ing kidding me...

Well hes arguing on there right now about how mallet is a much better prospect than any QB in this draft.

Almost makes this place unbearable
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Oh, now it's clear... NFL Philosophy is Bill Belichick's Twitter account.

That was my first thought. Read the guy's responses, though.

He seems to think Mallet is head-and-shoulders above any QB in this class and worthy of a No. 1 overall pick.

It's weird, because he also tweeted today about not making excuses for guys who can't handle pressure. Umm, what is Ryan Mallet's kryptonite (other than running like he has shit in his pants?)

Who is a top three OT?

Jake long? JFC, even Austin , his homer boy, doesn't think that iirc.
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“@NFLosophy: If the Chiefs believe Ryan Mallet is the guy for them, I'd have no problem if they gave up their 1st round pick to the Pats for him.”

This guy just lost all credibility

Oh.

Uh....

Well that's not very bright.

I think you're normally spot on, but you missed the boat on this one. You're giving that guy way too much credit.

All credibility down the shitter on that quote
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Can we finally start ignoring the draft experts talking about this draft now?

FFS, people are actually trying to argue that Matt Flynn, Ryan Mallet and Kirk Cousins would be better prospects than anyone in this draft.

So that's the key - eh? Draft guys and squirrel them away so they can't prove they suck. Then go ahead and trade them for first rounders.

Jesus - we've been looking at the Stanzi debacle all wrong. Pioli was just setting us up for great success through a Stanzi for 1st trade but was fired before he could fully implement his fiendish plan.

COME BACK, SCOOTER!!! COME BACK!!!!!!!!

Ryan Mallet is ok, but given our history with retreads or trades or the such, I'd stay away.

This video is epic. The point is to clearly illustrate that he possesses NFL characteristics and it succeeds marvelously.

Yup. Foiled by expecting a normally sane person to remain sane while talking about the 2013 QB class.

This is the strangest damn thing I have ever seen in a draft. Well that and the meteoric rise of Danny Watkins among draftnicks. That one was almost as confusing (and as it turns out, he still sucks).

I want you guys to read this again. This is absolutely disgusting talk

“@NFLosophy: If the Chiefs believe Ryan Mallet is the guy for them, I'd have no problem if they gave up their 1st round pick to the Pats for him.”

I don't get it, he says this:


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Don't make excuses for a QB. If he's bad with pressure, he's bad with pressure. He's likely always going to have to deal with pressure
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@Wardamus @KCsporting Just because he struggles with pressure in college doesn't mean he always will. It's fixable.

This is a philosophy Andy believes in (Kolb :) )

Frustrating night of trying to spread the good word on Geno. Got the equivalency of being stoned to death on facebook. Anyone else have trouble trying to convince morons about Geno?

you'll have a hard time convincing me he can be elite and be worthy of the #1 pick.

And again reerun, who is worthy of the #1 pick?

Put up or shut up.

I have no issues with a stance like that. I have issue with just being told he is terrible, and then I am referenced to the pinstripe bowl.

Well I've been arguing that I don't like him at #1 and the Pinstripe bowl wasn't that great of a performance IMO.

But I will always counter: Who is your guy?

Keep ignoring it dipshit...

Who is worthy of the #1?

Still waiting.

Answered that already...Star or Joeckel. Depending (this is a big if) Mingo comes in and blows the combine away and is carrying himself at 260, maybe him.
Warmak is the best player in the draft, but you can't draft a G #1 overall.
I don't like DL from FSU, but Werner is an interesting kid as well.

Whether Geno is worth that pick is gonna depend on how he does during interviews. The closest we'll get to see is if Gruden does his QB camp with him.

First off, Warmack wasn't even the best offensive line player on his college team. He wasn't even the best guard on his team. Neither was Joeckel.

Warmack most certainly isn't the prospect that David DeCastro was last year, and he went #24. And he wasn't the player that Rod Hudson was in 2011, and he went in the second round. And you think he's the best player in this draft? Wow.

Joeckel isn't close to being the prospect that recent top OT picks like Kalil, Okung, Long and Thomas were, let alone generational guys like Ogden, Pace, Roaf and Munoz.

And tell me, how many times have you seen Starlite play?

And you are going to put Mingo on top because of combine performance? Over Jordan and Moore?

Those are the guys you think are better than Geno in this draft? Really?

My god.....:facepalm:

You are nucking futs!!! N yes if Mingo actually gained the weight he says he did he'll be up there with Jordan. Moore is nice, but idk where he fits.

I live on the west coast so I watch a lot of Utah games.

What OG or even interior lineman was better than Warmak on Bama's line this year? And don't you even try to say Jones....

I agree that Matthews was the best OL on A&M though.

You're welcome.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/...er_nfln_videos

I will be beyond pissed if we draft a lineman with the first overall pick.
I did not cheer all year for the Chiefs to lose for to draft another lineman.
We had the 7th ranked O-line last year, and why waste the pick for Star we already have Poe?
How is a lineman going to lead a forth quarter comeback ? We need a QB damn it and Geno's the best one out there this year.
There are no clear cut number #1 QB every year we were spoiled by last years set of QB's. Draft our QB the move the f*** on to round 2.

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I like Bucky.

I hope he's right, he sounds real confident about it...

To be fair...Star can play DE/NT and OLB (in a pinch), he's a man child. For the most part you're right. At least you're liking a QB and latching on. Hope some peoples hearts don't get broken.

He used to be a scout. I would think he wouldn't be the only scout to have that opinion. It gives me confidence that our scouts probably see it like that as well.

3 QB's in the top 8. Even if you put everything else aside and say Nassib will end up the best, how can you risk waiting to get him? The Chiefs could very well be sitting there in the 2nd round with no QB's to select worth a damn. To me, even under the argument that Geno isn't worth it, it's just such a massive risk.

Blackbob likes Bucky.

Pretty much. We may not want to pick a QB at #1 but we don't have a choice if we really want one.

And if you argue that you can trade up, you are now not only wasting the #1 pick, but you are paying extra to get the QB.

OLB? are you ****ing kidding me?

you're the worst troll ever.

We have Powe and Poe two NT who could probably play DE with ease.
We have Hali and Houston, its unthinkable to draft a lineman now, we've stocked piled the line on both sides of the ball for the past 2 years already. We have all the pieces in place and Reids west coast offense is a spin off of West Virginia's Raid offense. Its almost the perfect fit for Geno to come here

Yep, I don't see how people can say it's ok to not draft a QB with the first pick and wait until later...THERE WON'T BE ANY LEFT.

FIRE PIOLI - DRAFT A LT - SAVEOURCHIEFS.COM

Hmm.... doesn't have the same ring to it

Rings pretty TRUE to me.

This is where the value of Star falls for you guys. He would fit nicely in the 2 gap system and would be a terror rushing the passer or collapsing the pocket on 3rd down.

He's a dancing bear. I'm not saying full time, but he could in a few packages.