Bring on Geno Baby, His accuracy, completion % is off the charts...

who covers the senior bowl practices and the combine?

someone had a podcast last year, i thought, that was pretty good

Decastro LMAO

I think there may have been a sports station from Houston that had a podcast and daily updates that was pretty good. I don't remember the station.

walterfootball has udpdated its 3 round mock today

http://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php


wow...he has glennon at 8...wilson at 38

Okay fine...trade down to #20 or so. Make a deal to get another mid #1 pick by trading someone accompanied by giving away some of your 4th and 5ths or something. My point is if you value 5 QBs equally, and one of them is still gonna be there later.....it is pointless to waste it on a QB on the very #1 pick of the draft.

walters has:

Geno #1
Glennon #8
Barkely #33
Wilson #38
Nassib #39
Jones #68
Bray #76

I'm guessing that's based on his injury and lack of productivity...

You have to have someone willing to pay the price to trade up to No. 1 for that to happen. Easier said than done.

Your logic (if you value 5 equally and one will be there later) isn't off, but there are some potential problems with it:

1) It assumes the Chiefs rate Smith, Barkley, Wilson, Glennon and Bray (or whomever the fifth guy is) equally. That is not necessarily the case (and I'd bet that there is separation between the top 3 and the rest of the pack by draft day).
2) It assumes you have correctly gauged the way the draft is going to go and how other teams are leaning.

Nightmare scenario would be for the Chiefs to trade down and get stuck picking from the second tier. Which is possible even at No. 20, if there are 2-3 guys that have separated themselves.

This is all because the media (ahem Kiper) is pumping up Glennon simply because he has the strongest arm and best size in the draft.

Wilson's going to beat that ass at the Senior Bowl and you will see Wilson at 8 and Glennon at 38 by next month.

i like wilson, and think it is crazy he wouldn't be a first round pick...walters is usually very pro-QB, so weird to see this list

Despite the trend of teams trading up and reaching for QB's I think they'll fall this year.

Even after the workouts and combine.

There will be two big hits early and then everyone else will fall...

I don't understand all this talk about trading down. We won 2 games. Pick the best player at each spot. Smith/Wilson are the best players at #1.........Why do we make this difficult?

Glennon also signed with the No. 2 sports agent (David Dunn). Dunn's guys don't get as much love from the ESPN group (Kiper, McShay, Mort, Schefter) as CAA guys, but they get a hell of a lot more than Select Sports Group's clients.

Wilson and Barkley are both with CAA. Watch. They are going to get pumped like crazy as time goes on... especially by the ESPN "gurus."

Scott Wright will have daily breakdowns on his website. He's pretty thorough.

thanks...that's the guy

I have to be careful how much I praise Mr. Matt Bowen. He's a Hawkeye. ;)

You have to have a trade partner. There won't be one.

If we don't want a QB, nobody does.

I don't like people calling him a 1st read qb, simply because if you have eyes he's very clearly not. His offense has a lot of wr screens, short quick underneath stuff, rb screens, all designed to get the ball out of his hands ASAP because his line can't block for shit.

So what does he do? He executes his gameplan. He gets the wr screen out there half a second after he has the ball. He hits wrs in stride and on their proper shoulders. When time allows, he surveys the field. Given that he never runs and always has his eyes looking for someone when he has to scramble, I'm still wondering why anyone can possibly call him a 1-read qb.

I would strongly question that evaluation then.

Historically when you look at past few drafts, there's a huge drop off between the 1st QB to the 3rd. Let alone going 5th down the list.

It's just unrealistic.

Another thing I notice... I see people talking about how he can't handle pressure. Guess those folks just haven't watched much tape of him, because that was the thing that REALLY stood out (and one of the things that sold me, other than his Sam Bradford-esque accuracy) to me. Smith is very good at sliding JUST enough in the pocket to extend a play and get the ball out.

Honestly, I hope Geno rapes for the next 10 or more years. I hope Wilson rapes for the next 10 or more years. I hope Barkley rapes for the next 10 or more years.

Hell I hope Glennon does well too. Even Nassib.

Why? So all these ****ing dumbasses that keep saying this QB class sucks because they aren't last years class can be owned for years to come.

Of all those names I'd be the least confident in Barkley...

You know they'll still be saying we need better O-line help to protect our current QB. "Nobody could succeed behind this line." - True fan. :p

It really depends. He's so similar to Andy Dalton IMO. I think if he goes to a place like Arizona and they build up an OL and offensive staff, then he could be successful.

Like Dalton, he'll need help.

Dalton is a LOT better athlete... more nimble, better speed. Much better at moving the pocket.

I think the problem with Barkley is that he's as good now as he is ever likely to be. Which is solid, but not star-level QB play in the NFL.

Tyler Bray signed with Tom Brady's agent and is working out with athletes performance.
Supposedly he received a 2nd round draft grade.

Agreed, though I think that Barkley is smarter than Dalton in some areas.

But we've seen QB's look better in good situations. Look at Cassel for proof. In New England he had help everywhere. In KC, Charles helped him so much, as did Bowe.

Stafford is a good example too. Calvin Johnson went HAM last year and caught TD's in double and even triple teams. This year CJ has a down year in the TD department and low and behold, Stafford's TD's went down as well.

Anyone that wants to draft a guard in the top 15 is ****ing moron.

Is it dumbass day at the True Fan corral?

Whatever, I don't care. Take a balloon and gtfo, tard.

It's going to be embarassing when the NFL Network shows the Chiefs draft party reaction and the true fans give us a horrible image because they will be pissed off that we selected a QB and not Joeckel. LMAO

They see good teams draft guards in the 20s and go to the pro bowl and think the reason is, the guard was the better player. No, the reason that guard looks all world is because Aaron Rodgers is holding the ball for 3 seconds before flicking a 40 yard dart to James jones for the major.

Meanwhile? Joe Thomas has been on a team that got double digit wins once. But keep drafting the line.

It's based on that, and based on taking a guard at 11.

His size is overrated. His neck accounts for like 6 inches. ROFL

That's so he can eat from the tallest trees, where there is less competition among other species for food.

Not sure how it helps him be a better QB necessarily.

Uh Tyler Bray might have something to say about that.

Cannon for an arm.

http://utah.todaysmama.com/files/201...es-Giraffe.jpg


GLENNON SEES EVERYTHING!

This

Not much else about him screams 'franchise QB'.

Antifreeze.

As opposed to what?

A LT we don't need and is overrated? A LG? Jarvis Jones, who has some serious injury issues? Seriously, it is beyond moronic not to take Geno or Wilson with the #1 pick. Geno, Wilson, Barkley, Glennon, Nassib and Bray could all possibly go in the first round. You want to ****ing trade down and hypothetically miss out on all of them?

Nassib is NOT going in the first.

To me I think he could be a fabulous prospect if he just had more time to groom & mature.

He really should have stayed another year in college but he didn't.

Size, Best arm, SEC tested... A lot to like.

But they just never pulled it together at Tenn and when I watched him I saw some pretty questionable decisions at times. Then a moment later I'd see a throw only 5-10 NFL QBs could make.

At this point kinda feel like he's a modern day Jeff George.

Jeff George is an excellent comparison both on and off the field.

That's not a great thing...

Really?

Why is that?

KC, Arizona, Jacksonville, Oakland, NYJ, Tampa, SD, Browns, Philly, Dallas, could all draft a QB in the first round if they felt the value was there.

KC, Zona, Jacksonville, NYJ, and Phi are probably the most likely teams to draft one. Additionally, the Bills new HC might deem Nassib worthy over Glennon, Bray, or Barkley (who would suck playing in Buffalo IMO) because you know, he like, coached him for a brief period or something like that. LMAO

Also... regarding "Geno Smith is not RG3..."

No, he isn't. I'd actually argue that Geno is a superior passing prospect (pure passer) than RG3. Obviously, Griffin's athleticism and running ability add another dimensions that a defense must account for, which creates space in the passing game (usually by taking a back 7 defender away from the pass game).

But I wouldn't compare Geno Smith to RG3. If I was comparing him to a recent high pick, it would be Sam Bradford (But with more raw arm strength). Geno Smith's pedigree as a passer is better than RG3's.

The only thing Smith and Griffin really have in common is that they both played in Air Raid offenses (though Smith's is more of a pro-concept/traditional Air Raid and Griffin's was more spread) and they put up huge (and remarkably similar) senior seasons in the Big 12.

Oh, and their skin color.

"Brandon Weeden is NOT going in the first."

"Andy Dalton is NOT going in the first."

These two guys were mocked in the 3rd and 4th rounds around this time in their respective drafts.

Nassib appears to have a lot of fans in scouting circles. I absolutely expect him to break into the 1st round.

Luke Joeckel is going to be a top 10 LT. Give him his due credit.

And no that doesn't mean I want to draft him. Just acknowledging that he is a very good LT.

I can easily see Nassib leapfrogging Glennon as time wears on in the draft process.

Glennon's gonna ****ing drop so hard. Dude is garbage.

Yeah, and Nassib's college coach is an NFL coach now ... on a team that needs a QB, potentially...

And nearly everybody (even the haters) acknowledges that Geno Smith is a top 10 QB.

The issue for those people comes when they say, "Top 10 isn't good enough for #1 overall."

If it's true for Geno, it's sure as **** true for Joeckel, who plays a position of much less importance. So the "overrated" label to Joeckel absolutely fits him to a tee.

He's Jay Cutler, IMO.

And that is a good thing.

Cutler gets a bullshit rap. The dude is tough as nails, hyper-competitive and among the top 5 arms in the game. Bray could be that guy.

But it sure is a risk to take. I'd fall over myself sprinting to the podium to grab him in the 3rd, but it just doesn't seem likely that he'll fall that far.

Yeah, but LT's have a higher positional value than QBs.

Duh!

It's the tough and competitive stuff I question with Bray.

If he is willing to work hard and ends up being a tough QB, he's Cutler.

If he continues to be a whiny bitch for the rest of his career, he's George.

Yup, Bradford and Smith are extremely similar prospects.

I think Bradford's accuracy was a little more consistent, but when Smith is on he's just as good. I think Bradfords footwork was a little bit better as well.

Smith's throwing motion is quicker and more precise. I like his build a little bit better and he is significantly more mobile. Where Bradford's arm strength is right around Phillip Rivers, I'd say Smith sits in the Eli Manning/Tony Romo range. Good arm, but not one that I see as elite (though I've said several times, he could prove me wrong; I just haven't seen it).

If Bradford is an 80 prospect with Luck being a 100 prospect, I'd put Geno at an 85ish. He has virtually every tool you could want but not the polish of a guy like Luck or insane athletic prowess of RGIII.

The funny thing is that if he ran a 4.4 forty, people would immediately rocket him up to 1.1...and it wouldn't make him a better QB at all.

He has to be the pick.

Luke Joeckel is easily a top 5 talent in the draft though. He has flat out dominated everyone he's played this year.

Not just done well. Dominated.

Watch his tape. The best defense in college (Bama), OU, LSU. None of those defenses could get pressure on Johnny Football from the left side all year long.

His positional value isn't as great as a QB, but the guy absolutely deserves the top 5 label he's getting.

Yep....look for BUF to look long and hard at Nassib.

A lot of the dumbasses I talk too think Geno could drop to the 2nd round. Drives me crazy.

His point is though that Geno is the number 1 QB prospect and is at least equal to or more valuable to some teams (like the Chiefs) than Joeckel yet some people refuse to see that.

Conservative Chiefs fans are afraid that Geno would be Blackledge all over again while Joeckel is the safe pick.

They've been trained to think that for 30 years.

I feel sorry for them.

I don't think anybody has said otherwise. I know what I've said is that he's not Orlando Pace. Similarly to how people are saying Geno Smith isn't RG3. He's a good prospect, but should he outstrip the top QB? Especially for a team that already has a good LT, albeit one they need to re-sign, a team that drafted a project in the 3rd round last year who has already shown some initial signs that he can play?

Joeckel shouldn't even be part of the discussion here. Although I have a great and undying fear that he'll end up being the pick anyway.

To be fair, the issue is if Joeckel is overrated or not. Not if KC should pick him. RunKC at least acknowledges that KC picking him would be a travesty.

They aren't taking him in the first round. He's not a top 50 prospect.

Joeckel is worth the number 1 overall pick, but he won't go 1st becuase the team picking first (us) needs a QB.

I think you could see a team like St. Louis trading up for this guy though. He is excellent value for them.

I wouldn't think so either, but I also wouldn't be shocked to see him end up in BUF.

If Reid picks him I'll be royally pissed off, like I was last April when we picked Mr. Combine wonder Dontari Poe, but if Reid gets another QB by trading back into the first/at 34 like Tyler Bray, I'll see what happens.

Reid has more knowledge about QB's than anyone here. If he does decide to take a QB after pick 1, I guess I'd roll with it, even though I'd be spewing profanities at him like no other.

Want to make a little bet? I say Nassib gets drafted in the first round by some team.

Joeckel is an elite pass-blocker because of his athleticism and size relative to his opponents. He's not a great run blocker, though. From what I saw, Mathews was a far superior run blocker.

In the pros, he won't have that decided edge in athleticism and every now and again he looks susceptible to power rushers.

I think he'll still be one of the best pass-blockers in the league, but if you're going to take a LT 1.1, I really think he needs to be an Orlando Pace type player; someone that absolutely dominates that side of the field (and in fact, makes that entire side of the line better). I just don't see that in Joeckel.

And Smith is also worth the number 1 pick. The point being that people for some reason get hung up on not drafting him because he's not Andrew Luck, whereas it's perfectly okay for the top tackle to not be a generational type player.

We have such a tremendous, bizarre hangup on QBs here...

The folks who've been comparing him to Bradford are completely correct. And I think completely correct to say he's a better prospect. He's got prototypical measurables, was a three year starter who had an incredible amount of success, and has a few issues with mechanics and footwork, none of which are major red flags. Yet he's talked about like he's a border-line player who would be a massive reach at one. Even by "prognosticators" who say he isn't worthy of #1 then send him somewhere else in the top 10.

In about 2 months the "TrueFans" will all be on the Geno band wagon once Kiper tells them he should be the number 1 pick. Damn sheep.

... And, KABOOM!

Perfect.

As we have said many times, it's not like there's a clear No. 1 guy that is a sure-fire impact maker that would be passed up for Geno. The opportunity cost on passing on Luke Joeckel or Jarvis Jones or (giggle) Manti Te'o (giggle) is not the same as passing on Jadaveon Clowney or Orlando Pace, etc.

I don't know why people are talking about Joeckel. If truly the Chiefs pass on a QB at #1 overall and draft that Joeckel when they could have resigned a good LT in Albert, that is some major FAIL!!

I'm pretty sure Kevin Harlan just suggested trading the No. 1 overall pick to Seattle for Matt Flynn and their second round pick.

:mad:

Sure, signature for the month of May.

If so he can fall into a box full of aids patients used uncapped hypodermics.

What...the.....****. I like Harlan, but what a dumbass.

I don't get it. What makes Flynn so much better than a draft pick? He was a late round pick and had 2 good games.

I'm done talking slapdick. The only debate should really be Geno vs. Tyler. Get Albert and Bowe signed, draft us a QB number one overall and good times at Arrowhead.

I think he'll end up at the top of the 2nd myself. Don't see him going in the first.

bingo


and why can't fans and clark understand the level of excitement a first round QB would bring to this franchise?

He would be the face of the franchise, the hope, the rallying point...it would be a blast...but idiot kc fans obsess over failure....