Bring on Geno Baby, His accuracy, completion % is off the charts...
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who covers the senior bowl practices and the combine?
someone had a podcast last year, i thought, that was pretty good |
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walterfootball has udpdated its 3 round mock today
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wow...he has glennon at 8...wilson at 38 Quote:
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walters has:
Geno #1 Glennon #8 Barkely #33 Wilson #38 Nassib #39 Jones #68 Bray #76 |
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Your logic (if you value 5 equally and one will be there later) isn't off, but there are some potential problems with it: 1) It assumes the Chiefs rate Smith, Barkley, Wilson, Glennon and Bray (or whomever the fifth guy is) equally. That is not necessarily the case (and I'd bet that there is separation between the top 3 and the rest of the pack by draft day). 2) It assumes you have correctly gauged the way the draft is going to go and how other teams are leaning. Nightmare scenario would be for the Chiefs to trade down and get stuck picking from the second tier. Which is possible even at No. 20, if there are 2-3 guys that have separated themselves. |
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Wilson's going to beat that ass at the Senior Bowl and you will see Wilson at 8 and Glennon at 38 by next month. |
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Even after the workouts and combine. There will be two big hits early and then everyone else will fall... |
I don't understand all this talk about trading down. We won 2 games. Pick the best player at each spot. Smith/Wilson are the best players at #1.........Why do we make this difficult?
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Wilson and Barkley are both with CAA. Watch. They are going to get pumped like crazy as time goes on... especially by the ESPN "gurus." |
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If we don't want a QB, nobody does. |
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So what does he do? He executes his gameplan. He gets the wr screen out there half a second after he has the ball. He hits wrs in stride and on their proper shoulders. When time allows, he surveys the field. Given that he never runs and always has his eyes looking for someone when he has to scramble, I'm still wondering why anyone can possibly call him a 1-read qb. |
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Historically when you look at past few drafts, there's a huge drop off between the 1st QB to the 3rd. Let alone going 5th down the list. It's just unrealistic. |
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Honestly, I hope Geno rapes for the next 10 or more years. I hope Wilson rapes for the next 10 or more years. I hope Barkley rapes for the next 10 or more years.
Hell I hope Glennon does well too. Even Nassib. Why? So all these ****ing dumbasses that keep saying this QB class sucks because they aren't last years class can be owned for years to come. |
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Like Dalton, he'll need help. |
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I think the problem with Barkley is that he's as good now as he is ever likely to be. Which is solid, but not star-level QB play in the NFL. |
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Supposedly he received a 2nd round draft grade. |
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But we've seen QB's look better in good situations. Look at Cassel for proof. In New England he had help everywhere. In KC, Charles helped him so much, as did Bowe. Stafford is a good example too. Calvin Johnson went HAM last year and caught TD's in double and even triple teams. This year CJ has a down year in the TD department and low and behold, Stafford's TD's went down as well. |
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Whatever, I don't care. Take a balloon and gtfo, tard. |
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Meanwhile? Joe Thomas has been on a team that got double digit wins once. But keep drafting the line. |
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Not sure how it helps him be a better QB necessarily. |
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Cannon for an arm. |
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GLENNON SEES EVERYTHING! |
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A LT we don't need and is overrated? A LG? Jarvis Jones, who has some serious injury issues? Seriously, it is beyond moronic not to take Geno or Wilson with the #1 pick. Geno, Wilson, Barkley, Glennon, Nassib and Bray could all possibly go in the first round. You want to ****ing trade down and hypothetically miss out on all of them? |
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He really should have stayed another year in college but he didn't. Size, Best arm, SEC tested... A lot to like. But they just never pulled it together at Tenn and when I watched him I saw some pretty questionable decisions at times. Then a moment later I'd see a throw only 5-10 NFL QBs could make. At this point kinda feel like he's a modern day Jeff George. |
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That's not a great thing... |
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Why is that? KC, Arizona, Jacksonville, Oakland, NYJ, Tampa, SD, Browns, Philly, Dallas, could all draft a QB in the first round if they felt the value was there. KC, Zona, Jacksonville, NYJ, and Phi are probably the most likely teams to draft one. Additionally, the Bills new HC might deem Nassib worthy over Glennon, Bray, or Barkley (who would suck playing in Buffalo IMO) because you know, he like, coached him for a brief period or something like that. LMAO |
Also... regarding "Geno Smith is not RG3..."
No, he isn't. I'd actually argue that Geno is a superior passing prospect (pure passer) than RG3. Obviously, Griffin's athleticism and running ability add another dimensions that a defense must account for, which creates space in the passing game (usually by taking a back 7 defender away from the pass game). But I wouldn't compare Geno Smith to RG3. If I was comparing him to a recent high pick, it would be Sam Bradford (But with more raw arm strength). Geno Smith's pedigree as a passer is better than RG3's. The only thing Smith and Griffin really have in common is that they both played in Air Raid offenses (though Smith's is more of a pro-concept/traditional Air Raid and Griffin's was more spread) and they put up huge (and remarkably similar) senior seasons in the Big 12. Oh, and their skin color. |
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"Andy Dalton is NOT going in the first." These two guys were mocked in the 3rd and 4th rounds around this time in their respective drafts. Nassib appears to have a lot of fans in scouting circles. I absolutely expect him to break into the 1st round. |
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And no that doesn't mean I want to draft him. Just acknowledging that he is a very good LT. |
I can easily see Nassib leapfrogging Glennon as time wears on in the draft process.
Glennon's gonna ****ing drop so hard. Dude is garbage. |
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The issue for those people comes when they say, "Top 10 isn't good enough for #1 overall." If it's true for Geno, it's sure as **** true for Joeckel, who plays a position of much less importance. So the "overrated" label to Joeckel absolutely fits him to a tee. |
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And that is a good thing. Cutler gets a bullshit rap. The dude is tough as nails, hyper-competitive and among the top 5 arms in the game. Bray could be that guy. But it sure is a risk to take. I'd fall over myself sprinting to the podium to grab him in the 3rd, but it just doesn't seem likely that he'll fall that far. |
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Duh! |
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If he is willing to work hard and ends up being a tough QB, he's Cutler. If he continues to be a whiny bitch for the rest of his career, he's George. |
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I think Bradford's accuracy was a little more consistent, but when Smith is on he's just as good. I think Bradfords footwork was a little bit better as well. Smith's throwing motion is quicker and more precise. I like his build a little bit better and he is significantly more mobile. Where Bradford's arm strength is right around Phillip Rivers, I'd say Smith sits in the Eli Manning/Tony Romo range. Good arm, but not one that I see as elite (though I've said several times, he could prove me wrong; I just haven't seen it). If Bradford is an 80 prospect with Luck being a 100 prospect, I'd put Geno at an 85ish. He has virtually every tool you could want but not the polish of a guy like Luck or insane athletic prowess of RGIII. The funny thing is that if he ran a 4.4 forty, people would immediately rocket him up to 1.1...and it wouldn't make him a better QB at all. He has to be the pick. |
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Not just done well. Dominated. Watch his tape. The best defense in college (Bama), OU, LSU. None of those defenses could get pressure on Johnny Football from the left side all year long. His positional value isn't as great as a QB, but the guy absolutely deserves the top 5 label he's getting. |
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They've been trained to think that for 30 years. I feel sorry for them. |
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Joeckel shouldn't even be part of the discussion here. Although I have a great and undying fear that he'll end up being the pick anyway. |
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I think you could see a team like St. Louis trading up for this guy though. He is excellent value for them. |
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Reid has more knowledge about QB's than anyone here. If he does decide to take a QB after pick 1, I guess I'd roll with it, even though I'd be spewing profanities at him like no other. |
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In the pros, he won't have that decided edge in athleticism and every now and again he looks susceptible to power rushers. I think he'll still be one of the best pass-blockers in the league, but if you're going to take a LT 1.1, I really think he needs to be an Orlando Pace type player; someone that absolutely dominates that side of the field (and in fact, makes that entire side of the line better). I just don't see that in Joeckel. |
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We have such a tremendous, bizarre hangup on QBs here... The folks who've been comparing him to Bradford are completely correct. And I think completely correct to say he's a better prospect. He's got prototypical measurables, was a three year starter who had an incredible amount of success, and has a few issues with mechanics and footwork, none of which are major red flags. Yet he's talked about like he's a border-line player who would be a massive reach at one. Even by "prognosticators" who say he isn't worthy of #1 then send him somewhere else in the top 10. |
In about 2 months the "TrueFans" will all be on the Geno band wagon once Kiper tells them he should be the number 1 pick. Damn sheep.
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Perfect. As we have said many times, it's not like there's a clear No. 1 guy that is a sure-fire impact maker that would be passed up for Geno. The opportunity cost on passing on Luke Joeckel or Jarvis Jones or (giggle) Manti Te'o (giggle) is not the same as passing on Jadaveon Clowney or Orlando Pace, etc. |
I don't know why people are talking about Joeckel. If truly the Chiefs pass on a QB at #1 overall and draft that Joeckel when they could have resigned a good LT in Albert, that is some major FAIL!!
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I'm pretty sure Kevin Harlan just suggested trading the No. 1 overall pick to Seattle for Matt Flynn and their second round pick.
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I don't get it. What makes Flynn so much better than a draft pick? He was a late round pick and had 2 good games.
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I'm done talking slapdick. The only debate should really be Geno vs. Tyler. Get Albert and Bowe signed, draft us a QB number one overall and good times at Arrowhead.
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and why can't fans and clark understand the level of excitement a first round QB would bring to this franchise? He would be the face of the franchise, the hope, the rallying point...it would be a blast...but idiot kc fans obsess over failure.... |
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