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Pasta Little Brioni 03-25-2024 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17457093)
It always kinda cracks me up when the "why'd we trade him for that, we got fleeced" starts.

Do we not think they got the most they could have? Why wouldn't they?

He had more leverage here than some thought I guess. With the new contract, he could basically veto trades to teams if he said he woudln't sign new deals.

There are those of us that think you just hold onto him instead of taking peanuts.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-25-2024 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 17457201)
Something I've been thinking about this morning, I can't believe I ever wanted Spags gone. That take was so hilariously bad and I'm so happy to be wrong.

Dude....why would you have ever thought that?

O.city 03-25-2024 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni (Post 17457349)
There are those of us that think you just hold onto him instead of taking peanuts.

After the Chris Jones saga, they probably didn't wanna mess with him not showing up for camp and such drama that comes with being tagged.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-25-2024 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17457342)
Imagine trying to defend that you wanted Andy AND Spags gone at one point!

LMAO

Webcrawler? ROFL and Chris Jones

Smed1065 03-25-2024 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 17457335)
To be fair, Chiefs players have a lot more wear and tear than most

Good and bad at the same time. :) I'll take the wear and tare tho. Not many tears recently compared to my last 50 years tho. :p

IowaHawkeyeChief 03-25-2024 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni (Post 17457349)
There are those of us that think you just hold onto him instead of taking peanuts.

you forgot to equate the $19.6 million...

RunKC 03-25-2024 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni (Post 17457349)
There are those of us that think you just hold onto him instead of taking peanuts.

What do you guys not understand about this? It’s not financially responsible, especially after they caved and gave Chris Jones a **** ton of money.

They had to choose who they were paying and it wasn’t Sneed

Bl00dyBizkitz 03-25-2024 12:01 PM

Moving CJ out to DE was a bad move for sure. I wonder if CJ had been lobbying for it and midway through the season both CJ and Spags realized it was a big mistake.

The silver lining is that it led to CJ being able to freelance and pick anywhere on the line to rush from, which HAS worked out in the long run.

Smed1065 03-25-2024 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17457362)
you forgot to equate the $19.6 million...

Puff, Cash bonus could have been used. I mean that would be like change in our pockets to Clark.

DRM08 03-25-2024 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17457262)
Tyreek Hill is a unicorn special player, there will never be another one of him, Sneed isn't that guy.

Sneed gave Tyreek a very difficult time in 2 games last year. That’s pretty special stuff considering how difficult it is to slow down Tyreek.

J Diddy 03-25-2024 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni (Post 17457349)
There are those of us that think you just hold onto him instead of taking peanuts.

and which 10 players do you let go to keep the 1?

RedinTexas 03-25-2024 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 17457341)
That's how it SHOULD be but it's not. In the last five to six years you make a strong case as to say the Chiefs are the only team that has been "winning." Much of the thr rest is tributes to Tom Brady (on two different teams) and a one year (loaded up to fail later) wonder by the Rams.

So no, the Chiefs are the one team to don't make better. Trading with them high pucks makes less sense than trading with a division rival.

Yeah, you might want to be careful about making the Chiefs better, but we see that the Titans traded with the Chiefs, so if you're another team that could have used Sneed, how do you justify not trading for him when he could have been had fairly cheaply. If the Titans were going to do it anyway, what difference would have made if you had done the deal with slightly better compensation for the Chiefs?

IowaHawkeyeChief 03-25-2024 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Smed1065 (Post 17457387)
Puff, Cash bonus could have been used. I mean that would be like change in our pockets to Clark.

What? Clark and the Chiefs max out the cap, and actually push off cap each and every year. Clark can't just pay extra to keep Sneed. The Chiefs made the decision that pushing off more cap and keeping Sneed wasn't worth it with the impending contracts of Creed, Bolton, McDuffie and others. Those of you who think this isn't a real thing are delusional.

RunKC 03-25-2024 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17457505)
What? Clark and the Chiefs max out the cap, and actually push off cap each and every year. Clark can't just pay extra to keep Sneed. The Chiefs made the decision that pushing off more cap and keeping Sneed wasn't worth it with the impending contracts of Creed, Bolton, McDuffie and others. Those of you who think this isn't a real thing are delusional.

Exactly. Not sure why people don’t understand this.

They gave Chris Jones a ton of money from 2025-2027. Mahomes has a big contract. Jawaan Taylor has a big contract. Clark isn’t gonna be writing all these checks for restructures when he’s already gonna have to do it for Mahomes and Chris Jones already.

The cap health is needed to try to and keep as many young stars as possible. They’re gonna pay Bolton and Creed. They’re gonna turn around and pay McDufffie and Karlaftis big money shortly after that.

Rausch 03-25-2024 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17457513)
Exactly. Not sure why people don’t understand this.

They gave Chris Jones a ton of money from 2025-2027. Mahomes has a big contract. Jawaan Taylor has a big contract. Clark isn’t gonna be writing all these checks for restructures when he’s already gonna have to do it for Mahomes and Chris Jones already.

The cap health is needed to try to and keep as many young stars as possible. They’re gonna pay Bolton and Creed. They’re gonna turn around and pay McDufffie and Karlaftis big money shortly after that.

I'm not sold on Karlaftis getting a big payday. If he takes a mid-range to low end contract we'll probably keep him. He's not a top 15 DE though so it's not like he's impossible to replace...

crispystl 03-25-2024 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 17457385)
Moving CJ out to DE was a bad move for sure. I wonder if CJ had been lobbying for it and midway through the season both CJ and Spags realized it was a big mistake.

The silver lining is that it led to CJ being able to freelance and pick anywhere on the line to rush from, which HAS worked out in the long run.

Yeah that huge sack against the Bengals in the AFC championship game least year was from DE

Red Dawg 03-25-2024 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 17457524)
I'm not sold on Karlaftis getting a big payday. If he takes a mid-range to low end contract we'll probably keep him. He's not a top 15 DE though so it's not like he's impossible to replace...

He is not shit and he's above average. 10.5 sacks is not nothing. You just don't get a guy from the draft to do that. He won't break the bank but he's better than you think. Same sack number in 23 as Nick Bosa, Chubb and Jones.

Chiefnj2 03-25-2024 01:33 PM

Now that they have room, KC would be smart to move some of Jones' money around so it hits the cap this year.

O.city 03-25-2024 01:46 PM

Karlaftis is a 100 million dollar guy. He's a double digit sack DE.

JPH83 03-25-2024 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17457571)
Karlaftis is a 100 million dollar guy. He's a double digit sack DE.

Are we talking about across his entire career, or in a single contract. What other DEs are earning that? Genuine question. I mean, I don't think he's worth that or will get paid anywhere near that.

Wisconsin_Chief 03-25-2024 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 17457587)
Are we talking about across his entire career, or in a single contract. What other DEs are earning that? Genuine question. I mean, I don't think he's worth that or will get paid anywhere near that.

He will absolutely get 100 million unless he falls off a cliff. If he keeps improving like he has, you’re probably looking at even more.

raybec 4 03-25-2024 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17457571)
Karlaftis is a 100 million dollar guy. He's a double digit sack DE.

Only if he signs at least a 5 year deal. He's not getting 25 million per.

JPH83 03-25-2024 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 17457592)
Only if he signs at least a 5 year deal. He's not getting 25 million per.

This is what I mean. I guess there will be wage inflation as the cap rises...but that's a lot of money.

CoMoChief 03-25-2024 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17457571)
Karlaftis is a 100 million dollar guy. He's a double digit sack DE.

10.5 sacks isn't worth 100M.

If it is, then hopefully it's with another team.

RunKC 03-25-2024 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 17457599)
10.5 sacks isn't worth 100M.

If it is, then hopefully it's with another team.

10.5 as a 2nd year 22 year old. He’s gonna get better. I’d bet he’s a 15+ sack guy this or next year. That’s worth $100 million

Red Dawg 03-25-2024 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 17457599)
10.5 sacks isn't worth 100M.

If it is, then hopefully it's with another team.

The Bosa brothers say hi.

DRM08 03-25-2024 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 17457599)
10.5 sacks isn't worth 100M.

If it is, then hopefully it's with another team.

As the salary cap skyrockets each year, I think we will be surprised by the amount of money guys are paid even if they aren't obvious superstars. We have seen that trend with NBA & MLB as well. Dudes we have never heard of are making insane money in those leagues.

O.city 03-25-2024 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 17457587)
Are we talking about across his entire career, or in a single contract. What other DEs are earning that? Genuine question. I mean, I don't think he's worth that or will get paid anywhere near that.

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 17457591)
He will absolutely get 100 million unless he falls off a cliff. If he keeps improving like he has, you’re probably looking at even more.

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 17457592)
Only if he signs at least a 5 year deal. He's not getting 25 million per.

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 17457595)
This is what I mean. I guess there will be wage inflation as the cap rises...but that's a lot of money.

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 17457599)
10.5 sacks isn't worth 100M.

If it is, then hopefully it's with another team.

Montez Sweat just got 100 million dollars. Karlaftis is already on a better track than he was.

So...yeah. Chiefs fans need to prepare for Karlaftis to get atleast that.

O.city 03-25-2024 02:46 PM

Karlaftis has every bit as much of a track record as Brian Burns does. Go look at what he just got paid.

JPH83 03-25-2024 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17457631)
Montez Sweat just got 100 million dollars. Karlaftis is already on a better track than he was.

So...yeah. Chiefs fans need to prepare for Karlaftis to get atleast that.

Karlaftis has a pretty long way to go yet to be the player Sweat is. If he gets $100m good luck to him, I'd assume he'd become an elite player.

JPH83 03-25-2024 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17457634)
Karlaftis has every bit as much of a track record as Brian Burns does. Go look at what he just got paid.

And we don't even need to trade for him...jk

scho63 03-25-2024 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17457342)
Imagine trying to defend that you wanted Andy AND Spags gone at one point!

LMAO

Not gonna lie that I wobbled heavily on Spags at times.

Andy had moments that made me crazy but NEVER wanted to move away from him. The only game that made me question him was the Colts 45-44 playoff comeback. That game shook a lot of us.

BossChief 03-25-2024 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 17457599)
10.5 sacks isn't worth 100M.

If it is, then hopefully it's with another team.

Dude.

By the time George gets to the point of an extension, he will be closer to a 150m player than a 100m player. The cap will be well over 300m by then.

He’s extremely raw still and is already a really good player that has shown to be extremely coachable and seeks to improve.

Coochie liquor 03-25-2024 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gordonelloyd (Post 17456911)
He walks next year after a three peat this year, something that has never been done before. Much more value than what we got.

Veach isn’t gonna go all in and not play fir the future. An injury can derail anything. We’re in a window while we have Mahomes. Why sacrifice the future, when we need to maximize the time we have Mahomes/Andy together. We won with the majority of these players last year. We’re better at receiver already. We need OL as we have no legit LT. No update on when Thuney is available. Fill the roster out with that money, and let the best coach/quarterback/defensive coordinator/TE in the league do what they do best!

Coochie liquor 03-25-2024 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17457342)
Imagine trying to defend that you wanted Andy AND Spags gone at one point!

LMAO

Reerun KC still sticks to his guns on that. It’s unbelievable. 3 ****ing rings later. :shake:

Bl00dyBizkitz 03-25-2024 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 17457794)
Veach isn’t gonna go all in and not play fir the future. An injury can derail anything. We’re in a window while we have Mahomes. Why sacrifice the future, when we need to maximize the time we have Mahomes/Andy together. We won with the majority of these players last year. We’re better at receiver already. We need OL as we have no legit LT. No update on when Thuney is available. Fill the roster out with that money, and let the best coach/quarterback/defensive coordinator/TE in the league do what they do best!

Theres a bunch of people who feel the chance at a 3-peat is too alluring not to go all in for.

I agree to an extent. I dont think an all-in is necessary for a 3-peat. We're still a very young team. Let those guys develop, patch the holes in the offense, and I think we have a great shot at it.

Meatloaf 03-26-2024 09:29 AM

Just saw where Sneed passed his physical (reported by Paul Kuharsky). FWIW.

ForeverChiefs58 03-26-2024 09:32 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Highest Average Paid CBs<br><br>1. Jaire Alexander, $21M<br>2. Denzel Ward, $20.1M<br>3. Marshon Lattimore, $19.52M<br>4. Marlon Humphrey, $19.5M<br>5. Trevon Diggs, $19.4M<br>6. L&#39;Jarius Sneed, $19.1M</p>&mdash;<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Top CB Guarantees<br><br>1. Denzel Ward, $71.25M<br>2. Marlon Humphrey, $67.3M<br>3. Marshon Lattimore, $58M<br>4. L&#39;Jarius Sneed, $55M<br>5. Jaylon Johnson, $51.4M</p>&mdash; Spotrac (@spotrac) <a href="https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1772645384084398136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Spotrac (@spotrac) <a href="https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1772645383052636222?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Top CB Guarantees<br><br>1. Denzel Ward, $71.25M<br>2. Marlon Humphrey, $67.3M<br>3. Marshon Lattimore, $58M<br>4. L&#39;Jarius Sneed, $55M<br>5. Jaylon Johnson, $51.4M</p>&mdash; Spotrac (@spotrac) <a href="https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1772645384084398136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

KCJake 03-26-2024 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Meatloaf (Post 17458288)
Just saw where Sneed passed his physical (reported by Paul Kuharsky). FWIW.

I thought he had a bad knee:hmmm:

loochy 03-26-2024 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJake (Post 17458487)
I thought he had a bad knee:hmmm:


It's called "cope" and it's what scorned people do to justify when things don't go their way.


Oh, he's not that good because he grabs too much. He has too many illegal contact / holding / DPI penalties. He has a bum knee. etc.

ThyKingdomCome15 03-26-2024 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 17457501)
Yeah, you might want to be careful about making the Chiefs better, but we see that the Titans traded with the Chiefs, so if you're another team that could have used Sneed, how do you justify not trading for him when he could have been had fairly cheaply. If the Titans were going to do it anyway, what difference would have made if you had done the deal with slightly better compensation for the Chiefs?

Yeah, I agree with you there. I guess the CB market has lost trade value then. Sneed is a better player than Marcus Peters but we got a second for him.

It's disappointing any way you slice. Veach said they were happy to keep him but this is a cap dump move.

Mecca 03-26-2024 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJake (Post 17458487)
I thought he had a bad knee:hmmm:

He does have a bad knee, but teams overlook things all the time.

Hoover 03-26-2024 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 17457839)
Theres a bunch of people who feel the chance at a 3-peat is too alluring not to go all in for.

I agree to an extent. I dont think an all-in is necessary for a 3-peat. We're still a very young team. Let those guys develop, patch the holes in the offense, and I think we have a great shot at it.

You have to define what “all in” means.

It doesn’t plundering your team into salary cap hell. That’s full reerun, see Chargers, Saints, ect

BossChief 03-26-2024 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJake (Post 17458487)
I thought he had a bad knee:hmmm:

He does.

A team physical is just confirming what they know is an issue for the player and to make sure nothing is unknown. They already knew about the knee and concussion issues.

Nobody that has been in the league 4-5 years has a physical with no issues, it’s risk management for team prior to signing the deal.

Chiefnj2 04-03-2024 01:18 PM

Contract details are available:

2024 cap hit is only $9.96M
2025 cap hit is $24M

TN has an out in 2026, where they can pay Sneed a $21M cap hit or cut and have $12M dead money.


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