I know I'm risking incurring Clay's wrath here, but seriously, why would anybody give a **** about a Boba Fett movie? He was a minor character that had maybe five minutes of screen time over three movies. I've never understood the fascination.

Part of Boba Fett's popularity was with the toys and marketing. To get the Boba Fett toy you had to send in the UPC codes from the other toys. This was before empire strikes back and he was supposed to have a large role in that movie. I think because of the rarity of the toy and the marketing hype people loved him before even really knowing the character.

Because he looked cool. That is all. It is the same reason people were upset that Darth Maul bit it in Episode I. Count Dooku was the superior character but he didn't look cool like Maul so the fans whined until Maul returned.

It is at least encouraging that they identified the problem rather than poo pooing it away as a some release date or oversaturation issue.

Boba Fett is the only dude who talked back to Darth Vader, outsmarted Han Solo and shot at Luke Skywalker and lived to tell about it. He’s an absolute badass.

And he looks and sounds cool. :)

Right up until he started slowly getting digested over the course of 1,000 years. :)

And he got taken out by a blind Han Solo.

Pls point out to me where they identified the problem.

The part where they stopped producing spinoffs and chose to focus on episode 9 :shrug:

That seems like their solution, not identification of the problem.

I am not sure how you can infer anything other than then realizing epsiode 8 may have killed the franchise so they better nail 9.

That's what I infer. I'm not convinced that's what they infer.

Gotcha.. we shall see but it appears signs are pointing that direction.

I'm not sure the franchise is saveable at this point. 7 and 8 have ****ed it up beyond recognition. Carbon copy of the first film, forced SJW issues (spunky girl heroine, black guy, Asian chick, girl power, oppression, etc.,.), bad acting (another weak emo bad guy, as if Hayden C. didn't teach them that lesson), stupid plotlines (slow space chase), wasted deaths of major iconic characters (Han, Luke), sudden bizarre powers (floating Leia, astral projecting Luke)... Where do they go with this cluster****? Honestly, with Carrie Fisher dead they can't even do much with Leia, and I don't give a rat's ass what happens to Rey, Finn, Poe, and Kylo Ren. Honestly, the only way to rescue the franchise would be to start 9 with Luke in the shower like "Dallas" saying that 7 and 8 were a dream...

Biggest bullshit copout by angry white dudes.

Probably not. It's obvious that shit was all forced in. They're trying to please everyone in the effort to whore for more money. The true fan will always get left behind and lose interest

Ehh they always had a woman as one of the lead characters. I don't buy the SJW excuse. The movies mentioned weren't great, but they were good. I guess I just don't notice the sex/race of the hero's/bad guys of the movies.

I usually don't notice either unless they are completely different. That is forced shit.

Kylo was awesome in TLJ and Daisey Ridley has been fantastic as Rey.

Finn was fine in TFA but I think his character didn't mean shit in TLJ due to the forced romance plot with Rose.

And if you're going to talk about SJW shit, then talk shit about Solo and L3. That was way more SJWey, IMO, then either TFA or TLJ.

Kylo sucked in everything. He's a whiny, emo bitch, just like Anakin in the prequels. Rey is.... okay. But just okay. And not good enough to overcome the crappy story.

Finn has been reduced to a live action Jar Jar. At this point, I just want him dead.

Poe was reduced to hot-headed moron.

Luke was reduced to a cranky old quitter yelling at everybody to get off his lawn.

Leia was wasted. Rose was atrocious. And don't even get me started on purple hair Laura Dern. Ugh. The First Order villains sucked. And Snoke's (Snope? - can't remember, don't care) lair looked like it was straight out of the old 60s Batman TV show.

About the only character they didn't **** up was Chewbacca. I wish he'd pull Kennedy's arms off and use them to beat Johnson to death.

At least the Harriet Tubman droid freeing the slaves advanced the plot in Solo.

I will buy Solo when it comes out on blu-ray. I will never buy Last Jedi. And I may not even see IX in the theater, which at one point would have been unimaginable.

I haven't bothered to watch either of the last two movies. I'll catch them on Netflix or something. Maybe.

TFA was the same exact plot as ANH. With a bigger death star and weaker characters. Holy shit talk about lazy storytelling. Rogue one was ok. I guess. Just nothing they have done in the reboot makes me want to spend money on it.

I’m really curious to see what JJ does to salvage Rian Johnson’s abortion of a movie and complete undoing of the arcs that RJ nuked in TLJ.

My biggest gripes with TLJ are Leia should've been a very powerful Jedi like Luke. She was diminished as Mary Poppins, and, gave up on her son.

Furthermore, there are murders on death row whose mothers still love them unconditionally.

Listening to people like you two is what will make sure the franchise dies.

I care about Rey, Kylo and Poe more than anyone from the prequels. Including Obi-Wan, I was about done with him after his characterization at the end of AOTC. For that reason alone, I think Disney can stick the landing with Episode 9.

Whether JJ can do it is another question.

Why?

Because JJ isn't very original when it comes to filmmaking.

He's an executor, not an idea man.

Incredibles 2 caught Solo in one week.

I was wondering why that one guy cares about shitty characters

Rey, Kylo and Poe are far superior to Mesa Jar Jar, I don’t like sand Skywalker and Died of a Broken Heart.

Hot take, I know.

Jar Jar is on the same level as the acting of both performers trying to portray Anakin in the forgotten trilogy. I agree with you there

I believe if something is so FUBAR then erase the mistake , and start from the beginning .

Retcon the Skywalker Saga.

That would be the best route to go but it is a very long shot. Take a mulligan on 7.

What if they muck it up again? Turn it into Spiderman, and keep on rebooting it every five years? Star Trek has been shit since JJ left. The last one was better, but not enough

If Disney finds a good caretaker for the Star Wars Franchise then it will be good( Matthew Vaughan was attached but Kathleen Kennedy ****ed it up)

Kennedy needs to be uninvolved with the project for to succeed.

Prob already addressed but that certain appearance late in the movie is impossible no?

He was killed when Anakin was 6. Anakin was 20ish when he had Luke. Luke was 20ish when he met Han. (Therefore Han met Luke 34 years after this guy was killed which means that Han would have to be like 54 for that to be possible - andhe loooked 39-35 in Star Wars)

The force kept him young

Why is Darth Maul being old impossible?

That wasn't the question being asked. It has nothing to do with darth maul at all, it's about Han's age.



Let's try again: Anakin age 6, Maul killed. Anakin lives another 14 years before Luke comes. Luke is 20 when he meets Han. That means Han met Luke 34 years after Maul was killed.


But Han was 20 when Maul was alive here in this movie. Since we know Gan met Luke 34 years after Maul died, that means Han was 20+34 when he meets Luke. It doesn't work

Maul survived the Obi Wan fight.

I'm still trying to understand how Maul survived being cut in half and falling down the shaft. I guess there were a bunch of pillows and doctors at the bottom. :D

Episode 1. One of the biggest challenges was how GL was going to find a comparable villain to Darth Vader - and for everything wrong with that movie. Elementary acting, leaps of logic, dumbass characters, Lucas, by some miracle, landed on a worthy villain for Anakin to replace in the franchise.


..And then George cuts him in half in the first movie. Maul's survival always felt like a retcon of one of the more dumbass creative decisions from Lucas (it also was a truly compelling story in Clone Wars).

It was a pretty significant plotline in the Clone Wars and Rebels animated series. Both of which are as canonical as the movies, according to Lucas/Disney. So it's not hard to catch up on if you really care. Simple youtube search will bring up tons of clips. Although his appearance in Solo was basically just an Easter egg for fans familiar with those shows, similar to some stuff they showed on Yavin during Rogue One. Although it obviously may have greater relevance in future movies.

I watched and enjoyed Rebels, but not Clone Wars. I've been told that it's very well done, but I could never get past my Anakin hatred.

I googled an explanation for this and that's what I found. Apparently in some Star Wars geeky underworld Maul survives and gets spidetlike robot legs.


I'd say I'm a SW fans and I've seen every one in the theaters, and with little boys I'm seeing them all on DVR many times again. And I didn't have any clue about this dumb backstory - and was confused to see Maul show his ass on this one.


If SW wants to cater to the geeks then I think they run the risk of confusing casual fans and limiting the scope of their audience.

Nice spot-on skewering of TLJ if you've got 20 minutes or so.

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**** TLJ and **** Rian Johnson with a 12 inch dildo with spikes. He thought he was being smart, but he was just being a colossal dumbass. **** him.

I agree that he deserves all the hate. The attacks on the actor who played Rose was way over the top though. People can be assholes.

Go for the video. Stay for the article. I didn't bother with the comments, but that's obviously up to you.

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=375856

I agree with people not touching it. I think Johnsom pretty much caused it to be FUBAR.

Wrong.

She's the new Jar Jar and deserves all the criticism that's thrown her way.

These people get paid millions to play dress up make believe. They get 0 sympathy from me.

Finn is Jar Jar. She’s Jar Jar’s bitch.

If true, the funniest bit to me is the idea that Marvel and Pixar heads are eavesdropping on the call as if they're siblings hiding around a corner listening to their sister get scolded.

Perhaps they’ll learn something from it. Maybe now we won’t get a Toy Story 4 that features Andy’s queer kid making Buzz and Woody get married.

Don't count on that, especially with Feige singing the diversity song.

http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/kevi...-future-652-02

http://collider.com/mcu-adding-lgbtq...n-kevin-feige/

The cisgender label needs to die.

The end of the article -

Well then. Feel free to get busy going and ****ing yourself, Kathleen Kennedy.

They don't realize that without the fans, Star Wars would just be a forgotten 70s flick replaying at 3 am on some generic channel.

I am not saying that you run every decision by the fan base but at the very least, review their opinions and feedback.

But agendas must be maintained.

It's Hollywood's hubris that know they know more than the customer/fan

And that attitude extends beyond movies. See their (often hypocritical) views on gun control.

It's hubris to overrate your importance. S can survive just fine without 40 year old dudes like me. My kids (and their female cousins who came with Sat) don't care about the original trilogy and the franchise survives just fine.

It also thrives globally, so again: don't be sure we are that important

The most important part of that article:

One point she alludes to, which she made before: She thinks that Star Wars never appealed to Kathleen Kennedy. Kathleen Kennedy didn't like the franchise, because it was, indeed, a boys' adventure franchise.

Instead of making a boys' adventure franchise she didn't get and didn't like, she made it into something she could like: a girls' empowerment fantasy.

This kind of sums up the problem with Social Justice Warriors taking over male-skewing sections of pop culture: They just don't like it. They never did like it. Some of them even feel that these parts of pop culture encourage "toxic masculinity," and therefore are evil.

And therefore must be subverted and remade into something they never were before.

So you... put multimillion dollar companies into the hands of people who don't like the product those companies sell and in fact might even hate?

Well, good luck with that, I guess.

So basically, it's what would happen if you made me GM of the Broncos. :)

I don't know how credible this story is but:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/32378...nedy-paul-bois



Hold out, "Star Wars" fans. Your protest of the SJW-plagued franchise may finally get Lucasfilm head Kathleen Kennedy ousted from her position, because word on the street is Disney CEO Bob Iger knows she's on the verge of killing the Golden Goose and is now searching for someone to revive it.

In a special report from Grace Randolph at Beyond The Trailer, Bob Iger recently held a secret meeting with Disney top brass, including the head of Pixar and Marvel, on ways to fix the broken franchise, which began its death spiral with "The Last Jedi" and then was pronounced mostly dead with the box-office failure that is this summer's "Solo: A Star Wars Story."

It's an open and shut case: "Star Wars" fans reject the direction that Kathleen Kennedy has taken the franchise, and they should, considering that the veteran producer once infamously said she felt no responsibility to "cater" to the predominantly male fanbase that has carried the space opera through both light and darkness throughout the decades.

Not that "Star Wars" should not evolve with the times and avoid refreshing creative choices. The problem is that Kennedy destroyed the "Star Wars" legacy and put a half-baked, heartless carbon-copy in its wake. The whole franchise feels less like a creative labor of love and more like a cheap cash grab that cons the public into buying tickets based on brand recognition alone, all the while pushing messages about feminism and capitalist greed. Nobody likes it and feminists are too few and far between.

So now Disney has a dead horse on its hands and has no idea what to do with it. The simple solution — cleaning house by firing Kennedy — will not be easy. According to Grace Randolph, insiders say that if Iger just up and fires her, nobody in Hollywood has the cajones to take the reins as she would leave behind a house of loyalists who will have the daggers out for whoever fills her shoes. Here's how the secret call went down, according to Randolph:

There was a call, a secret conference call with all the top Star Wars brass in attendance, the kind of call where, apparently, security guards stand outside the different conference room doors and makes sure that no one eavesdrops. But here's the kicker. Top brass at not only Star Wars, but also Marvel and Pixar, were also in on the call, but listening only, likely at the request of Bob Iger, who wants their advice on how to fix this s--tshow. And yes, he does know it's a s--tshow. Evidence? The word that he wants Kathleen Kennedy out. He actually does, but, nobody will take her job. Several have been approached, but turned down, including J.J. Abrams, who turned it down flat and didn't even hesitate.
Why does nobody wanna run Star Wars? Well, it's probably pretty obvious for many of you, but let me spell it out for you. And that's in risk-averse Hollywood, nobody wants to run a house divided, which apparently is what Kathleen Kennedy has created. It's divided between her loyalists, which she brought in and wear those "Force is Female" t-shirts, and the loyalists to the brand itself that were there before Kathleen."
The in-fighting fits insider reports that Disney has halted the production on all "Star Wars" anthology films following the failure of "Solo" this past summer. With the release of Episode IX come 2019, "Star Wars" will have to create a whole other trilogy that entices the fans once again. Kathleen Kennedy has done everything to ensure that never happens.

Nobody wants Kathleen Kennedy's job? The hell are they talking about?

Grace is pretty spot on in hollywood and she is reporting the same shit.

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The person who takes the job has to clean house and fire all the KK work force.


Also has to try and bring 2 fan bases who are sharing a massive split back together.


TLJ really did a number on SW.

Hmm, that sounds familiar......

Well, nobody that already has a big name wants the job. They aren't offering it to anybody who doesn't already have a big name, and the people that do figure it's a huge risk and they don't need the money or recognition anyway.

Trying to think of a bigger cluster **** in movie history. This was a license to print money. Nobody wanted some cinematic masterpiece... just ****ing Star Wars as we know Star Wars. JFC.

How in the **** could they **** this up?

If it wasn’t Star Wars I would be laughing my ass off. If you are Disney you clean house. **** her loyalists. Too bad Disney is the very definition of PC.

Reminds me of the ending of History of Violence. :D

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I think its too late to fix it at this point.

I agree to a point. There is a lot of momentum built, and it’s going the opposite way that Disney wants it to go.


It will take a top 1-2 Star Wars movie EVER to turn things around. The sad thing is that they killed off several key components that could have helped create the movie needed.

I don’t know why it is so hard for them to grasp that you can’t have different people with different visions creating a trilogy of supposed “connected” films when the guy making the second one throws out the road map and just wings it.

Rian Johnson is a terrible writer and story teller who doesn’t know these characters or this universe. He made a beautiful-looking movie but the whole effort to subvert expectations wasn’t daring — it was just stupid and inconsistent with decades of established storytelling by filmmakers far more skilled then him. TLJ is a disjointed mess and the sooner Disney realizes giving RJ the keys to the car was a bad idea the sooner they may be able to move on.

They can’t really remake the movie, but they’d go a long way to righting the ship by removing the five seconds where Luke disappears at the end so they can bring him back in Episode 9 and undo the damage RJ has caused.

Well, they've already destroyed the Skywalker saga one film too early. I think it would be best if they just abandoned it altogether and go with the one offs. Obi Wan has serious potential but if they keep up this SJW bullshit they will find a way to kill that too probably.

The Skywalker Saga can be salvaged, but the current iteration needs to be scrapped ala X-Men: Days of Future Past.

Either a full reboot, or " Star Trek" the mother****er

Objectively false.

Rotten tomatoes ratings of his films:

Brick - 79%
Brothers Bloom - 67%
Looper - 93%
Out of Print - 80%
The Last Jedi - 91%

Average: 82

He's not Steven Spielberg but his films have all been well reviewed consistently, which certainly doesn't point to "terrible writer and story teller."

TLJ wasn't everyone's cup of tea but Rian Johnson is an accomplished filmmaker who will keep getting lots of projects.

I've only see Looper and loved it but TLJ did not deserve that rating and I certainly feel it was skewed in his favor by the critics.

Clay is so disingenuous when it comes to the TLJ...

Lets look at audience scores, the ones that actually buy tickets, for his movies instead of the shitty critics that wouldn't know a good movie if it bit them on the ass...

Brick - 86%
Brothers Bloom - 64%
Looper - 82%
Out of Print - 62%
The Last Jedi - 46%

Average - 68%

He is the Applebee's of movie making