Well, to be honest, Clark Hunt's statement about Berry kind of ****ed them.

It's pretty difficult to trade or release a guy weeks after the CEO says that he's a valuable part of the team and its future.

I'm not surprised.

Clark seems like he inherited more money than negotiating acumen or intellectual firepower.

even when the offseason comes and they cut a bunch of guys to make space (Colquit, Charles, Mauga, etc). I still wouldn't use that space to pay Berry.

I was saying basically this same shit 6 months ago and got nothing but a bunch whiny bitches coming at me.

They ensured me that Berry WOULD NEVER asks for such big money ... that Berry would almost assuredly take a paycut given his large rookie contract.

blah,blah,blah

Tyvon Branch sucks, keep Berry

where are all you fugtards now who started all the shit?

Same crap each time something comes up, people scream and yell talking about how they are right and everyone else is an idiot. Then 6-12 months they vanish like the wind pretend they didn't say shit.

This place has more mouthy assholes than a ****ing political convention.

Hey! Watch it bud! How can anyone not be surprised that he would act like N asshole and not negotiate. Sound like he said 12 mil of **** you Dorsey. He scoffed at 10 mil per year after we paid his ass in 14 for nothing. What a waste of money that was. We helped him and ****ed us.

Why would anyone think he would take a paycut?

Players rarely take paycuts with their existing team. They try the market and take less money someplace new if they have to. Just they way it works.

Last year we were arguing about this same shit and i said then that Berry wouldn't take the paycut and that a SS isn't worth 10+ m per and everyone freaked out.

I don't give a single shit whether the Chiefs label him at FS, he still plays like a SS. Berry has one more year to become Ed Reed or we let him walk. That stupid Pos Crennel should never work in the league again for putting a safety drafted in the top 5 at SS. Stupid ****er.

He's got one year to become the best ball-hawk of all time. Got it.

You are way too emotionally invested in this stuff.

Laz has hit the bottle again it seems

It's wrasslin in pads.

Can see why Dorsey would think this. 48th in INT's last year, 10 overall in his career.
Passing league and Berry's position as a box safety is just not valuable like it used to be.

Still think this would have a big affect on the locker room though. Don't blame Dorsey for thinking this.

LMAO

Outstanding!! I love this statement and it is sooooo true :clap: No, he does not have to become a ballhawk, but for the amount of money he wants...he better damn well be.

I will take a healthy Berry on a contract year looking to prove something and wreck shit this season.

Lets see what you got.

Yeah, the Chiefs should just start giving out $10.8 million dollar Franchise contracts for guys to "Prove it".

If you're not reeruned, I'd like to see some proof.

Dane, I'm thinking what he was getting at was that although Berry is good, hopefully a contract year will stimulate him into being GREAT. I'm skeptical just because I don't think he's a great coverage guy, but I guess he could surprise.....but probably not.

:rolleyes:

What is your solution to this? Drop the tag and let him walk?

Are you implying players on contract years dont show some extra motivation much of the time?

Rescind the tag, take the $10.8 and roll it over into to 2017.

FWIW, I have to give props to DJ for posting the solution first,

And have Parker, a rookie, Fleming, Brown and Sorenson?

That is scary.

It was also "scary" in 2014 with Parker and less talented scrubs, yet they did fine.

2-3 finish and missed the playoffs?

:facepalm:

Are you blaming the defense?

Are you saying they wouldn't be better with berry?

Iirc, the defense did have 1 pants shitting against the broncos but that was a team effort all around.

The "not giving up a 300 yard passer" moniker was great but a little misleading. They had a near all time sack artist going off and they played alot of soft zone, bend don't break defense that didn't create alot of turnovers.

That can work but I like the aggressive style more

The Chiefs got massive amounts of pressure on the QB in the 2 wins without Berry in 2014. At least 4 sacks in both wins.

I wouldn't consider the Chiefs performance without Berry as them being "fine".

The defense could struggle with With all 3 OLB's having ?'s this year.

Better is relative.

I don't think the assignment that he's been given in this particular defense is very challenging.

A better performance by the offense in San Fran or AZ results in a playoff berth.

Which assignment would that be?

Playing in the box like an extra linebacker, rushing the passer on safety blitzes, covering the tight end man to man, playing deep center as a free safety, or covering slot receivers man to man?

Berry is the most versatile safety in the NFL. Is he worth 12 million per season? Probably not, but that doesn't diminish the fact that he makes the defense better and able to do more things when he is on the field.

KC got two terrible calls...one in both games. The first was spotting Kap a first down on their only TD drive of the game. It was ridiculous...the second was calling offensive PI..away from the play, 5 seconds after the TD.

I didn't mention the Kelce "fumble".

chiefs will have 19 defensive backs competing for 10 spots. the competition will be fierce.

the chiefs have played well without berry in the past, with even less talent then they have now. next man up.

Good ****ing God.

Do you remember 2014?

You *might* want to review, Stud.

Sorenson was pretty good as a box run stuffer and blitzer, but that's about it. Without Berry you have 1 proven coverage safety on the team. The rest are all ?'s.

That's probably why Berry was tagged. Dorsey didn't expect Abdullah to retire this spring.

There were "questions" in 2014. Flowers had just been cut.

Smith was considered by most as the #3 CB.

What happened?

I think Stevie Brown will suprise some folks if he is healthy
Brown did have 8 int and 11 passes defensed in 2012. If he used the 2015 season to get his "juice" back :D than he could make a push for playing time. He is a high reward, low risk pickup.

I also applaud the team for trying to convert cooper and flemming. That conversion worked for Ron Parker. Chiefs db coaches are outstanding, so it is easy to have faith that they'll find some players out of the 19 dbs.

Cooper has the size, speed, and talent.

He went "full-Bartee" when he got his chance at CB.

The ability is there. Perhaps, like Parker, seeing the game in front of him will make a difference...

Umm, Berry will be playing this year. And chances are he may still end up with a contract later. But as I've stated before, we can live without him.

We missed the playoffs?

Letting Berry go this year would have been dumb. There's been a retooling process this year from Abdullah, Branch and Smith leaving as well as Houston's unknown status.

Losing all those guys + Berry at once is just too much for one year IMO. That's 3 of your 4 top safeties and 1/2 starting CB's on the 2015 depth chart that would have been gone in a single offseason.

Yeah I agree, Cooper is a disappointment. He came out of the gate strong, but ended up getting abused on a regular basis. Not only was get getting burned by WR's, but he was getting a boat load of PI calls on him. I don't expect much from him at this point, but there is still a small chance he "gets it."

Berry missed 5 games in 2014. I don't think that's much of a sample size.

Yep, I remember 2014 very well. The Chiefs went 9-7 and missed the playoffs. 5 of those seven losses were games played without Eric Berry.

I do think people are severely understating the role Berry plays in the locker room. I would say he is currently a top 10 "leader" in the league right now, or at least guy that you would absolutely want on your team.

With not only everything he's been through, but also the quality of player he is and the respect he has from other players, that absolutely is a value-added trait that is not easy to equate to quantifiable salary numbers. I think him being on our team this year is essential to reaching our peak, and if he treats this as his true contract year, we may actually see what a $12 million safety looks like. I bet he's approaching this as such and will make sure he gets his money.

And his missed tackle in the Raiders game led directly to a loss.

In the other games, the offense was nothing less than atrocious, especially against the Titans, Cardinals and the 49ers. Kelce's fumbling, Dwayne Bowe's laziness and an unhealthy Charles were the reasons why the Chiefs missed the playoffs.

DJ's lost was the biggest of the season, IMO.

And I didn't fully realize that until his return last year. What he's able to do in the run game is incredible. His ability to diagnose plays and blow them up before they start is without peer.

The athleticism is waning so his coverage skills will continue to decline. I also worry that he doesn't have 16+ games at a high level in him anymore. So I hope this influx of MLB talent we've brought in of late is to give him a breather as much as find a replacement.

But in bursts, he's still as good as anybody in the game. We missed the playoffs because we lost Derrick Johnson.

LOL He literally had an apple-sized mass in his chest that game. Got pulled out for having chest pains, IIRC.

I do think losing devito and berry hurt the run game alot. But here we are a gun with berry and stopping the run and not paying 12 mil for him to do that.

Honestly, the fact that Reid got that 14 squad to 9 and 7 is coach of the year worthy.

Agreed.

Although the offense, especially the lack of depth, was a huge factor.

Since 2014, the depth that Dorsey has been able to provide has been astonishing. Just about everyone thought the season was over last year when Charles went down, yet West and Ware led the team to 11 straight wins.

The offensive line, which went from a major weakness in 2014, was suddenly average with lots of depth.

Dorsey's a pimp.

Dane you're really gonna give Berry shit in a game he played with a cancerous mass in his chest?

Come on man.

More proof that the national media doesn't respect Poe like the local fans

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nf...ame-than-game/

NFL's Most Overrated Players

Kansas City Chiefs
Dontari Poe NT / Kansas City Chiefs

Coming off back surgery, he didn't play up to standards last season. He had just one sack in 15 games after combining to get 10.5 the previous two seasons.

This is a big year for Poe who is in a contract year.

While I agree with your take on Poe and his market, he was really good towards the end of the season, and the writer is an idiot.

I don't think Prisco is an "idiot". He calls them like he sees them and while I frequently disagree with him, he's one of the better NFL writers out there today.

I couldn't believe he picked the Texans over the Chiefs and let him know I thought it was silly. After the game, he replied and said "Yep, I'm an idiot. I don't know what I thinking. Bad pick".

So at least he's not a dick.

I'd pay Poe if he shows he's the 2013/2014 version In 2016. Poe and Jones lined up in the A gap will be very tough for OL's.

I'd like to keep poe, for sure. Back issues scare me though

Didn't realize it was Prisco. I expect better from him.

Nah.

Discuss told me that the roster isn't any better than the one he inherited.

The number of people that are vested in being ****ing reeruned on this board is staggering. Dorsey's not an improvement over Pioli. Smith is just Cassel 2.0. Jeremy Maclin isn't better than Dwayne Bowe. The hits just keep ****ing comin' and all from the same 3-5 guys.

They're really smart.

Speaking of maclin, I saw he had 1 drop in 88 attempts last year.

Iirc, that 1 drop potentially cost us a win against chicago

Hence why the strength of the team, the defense, is anchored by Poe, Houston, DJ, Berry, Bailey and Tamba (in no particular order).

You know.. guys that weren't drafted or signed in FA by Dorsey.

The biggest difference is that Reid, while not an elite HC, is infinitely better than Haley, Herm and Crennel. Dorsey is a better GM than Pioli and better than the post-Marty era Carl Peterson.

Then how the **** did we manage to not get blown out against the Pats in NE without Maclin, Houston, Charles, and a hobbled Hali?

Houston, Charles, Poe, Hali, Berry, DJ, Bailey...They've all missed significant time since this regime has been here, yet we've still managed to have 3 consecutive winning seasons.

All of this with Alex Smith at QB. How the **** do you explain that?

Well he cited Bailey as an anchor of the defense while also citing Hali and DJ who both pre-dated Pioli, so that gives you a little insight into things.

He's mostly just doubling down on stupid at this point.

Not to mention Maclin and Peters were the MVP's of the offense and defense last year.

:facepalm:

Houston, Charles, Bailey, Poe, Tamba, DJ and Berry were the best core group of players left to Dorsey and all have either missed significant time or had bad health problems affecting their play.

3 winning seasons in a row. No Houston or Charles last year? 11 straight wins.

DJ is definitely right here..

And with DJ and Hali throughout his tenure, Pioli's teams did jack shit. With the additions of Houston, Poe, Berry and [chuckle] Bailey, Pioli's teams still did jack shit.

It's just such a ridiculous argument. It requires that you simply have slept through the Pioli era, when everyone recognized that the problem with this team wasn't it's stars. We were going out there with 8 Pro Bowlers and losing 10 games. Everyone knew it was a complete lack of roster depth and an inability to assemble a complete team that was killing the team.

It requires that you ignore the fact that Dorsey learned under Wolf, the same Ron Wolf who's always preached about horizontal roster building and creating depth and competition everywhere.

There's simply no question that this team and this roster has gotten better every single season under Dorsey. Immensely better, in fact.

Dorsey's a very good GM. Top 5? Eh, maybe, maybe not; there's a lot of luck there. But if you simply lump them as 'good', 'solid' and 'bad', there's no question that Dorsey's in the top 1/3 there; he's a good GM.

Great point about Dorsey coming from the Wolf tree. The proof of the job he's done building this roster horizontally was in the preseason last year. We are clearly the deepest I've ever seen a Chiefs team. When was the last time our 2nd and 3rd string looked that good in the preseason?

http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...ldp_fb#photo30

Interesting chart here

VERY interesting.


It's just a square

Doing a bit of house hunting?

Nice trailer in the backyard.

eric berry, justin houston and jamaal charles all in question to start the season

LMAO

great year ahead, boyos!

You'll be banned in no time...

He mostly hangs out in DC trying to inflate Trump balloons through the urethra.

What's the saying? You live long enough, the entire world will disappoint you.

pull the tag! come on Andy!

I don't blame Berry at all. He's trying to secure more financial security. If he signs the tag this year and another Stevie Johnson type detonates his knee it might be all over.

That's a hell of a risk to take when you could be looking at 25 million guaranteed.

"More financial security," any idea how much money Berry has made so far in his career? It's a lot... As long as he was smart with his money he should be set for life already. This isn't a guy making $50k a year trying to figure out how to make his mortgage and child support payments.

Hey if he wants to go to the highest bidder. That's fine. It's his choice but at the same time the Chiefs should only pay him what they think he is worth. Anything more and it is best to let him walk.

I admire him for beating cancer and will always be a fan of his but can't get too sentimental if the guy only cares about money.

All of THIS ^... well stated. :thumb:

Can we trade him for Branch and a 2d??

I said it before and I'll say it again. Berry hosed us for greed. He got a massive rookie deal and now is just another greedy player that wants to be the highest paid safety. We paid him his full salary when he was sick and now he doesn't care about the love we have given him.

His price is crazy and he should have thrown a little love our way signed a fair offer.

Agreed.

He has almost been the highest paid safety in the league from the time he was a freaking rookie!

If he's not willing to do a team-friendly deal, where he still gets his big money, then let him walk. He's not THAT much of an impact player on that defense anymore.

Funny to see fans want team friendly deals, yet have no problem when the team wants to **** over a player

WooHooo!

Yank that ****ing tag.

Berry's doing what he has to do. Fine - do your thing, EB. Now it's time for the Chiefs to do what's best for their franchise and pull the tag.

Run Murray, Cooper, Brown and Fleming ragged; play their asses off in camp and in pre-season and if they show even the slightest ability to start, send Berry out into FA.