I thought Ramsay Snow was suppose to be this ugly ****ing shithead jerk clown dude and not that this normal looking dude

unless they are trying some sadistic Patrick Bateman look here, Ramsey is a bad bad dude and that guy on the show is just Johnny Normal.

Ramsay is evil and sick to his core, but I'm not sure he's anything special in size or looks. Neither is his dad, Roose.

The stuff you are talking about with Reek is all in the books, not on the show. Reek was Ramsay's servant who was dirty and stinky. In the books, Ramsay and Reek rape and kill a girl in the woods but get busted and caught, so Ramsay pretends to be Reek, and Reek pretends to be Ramsay, and is killed. Ramsay (disguised as Reek) is arrested and taken to be held in Winterfell in the dungeons pending return of Robb to decide his fate. Theon and his men take Winterfell, and they release the prisoners from the dungeons, so Reek (Ramsay in disguise) warms up to Theon and "helps" him when Bran and Rickon escape. It was Ramsay's idea to trick everyone by killing the miller boys and making it seem like they killed Bran and Rickon. He also claims he can raise some men to help Theon hold the castle, so Theon lets him go.

When Sir Rodrick and his men come to get back Winterfell and surround it, Ramsay and his men show up like they are going to join up with Sir Rodrick and the other North men, but instead they kill Sir Rodrick and slaughter the other northmen. Theon, thinking they are helping him opens the gates. Ramsay and his men come in and kill everybody and kidnap Theon (though you don't know what happened to Theon until the 5th book as he is not in book 3 or 4 at all and is presumed dead). Anyway, that is all way too complicated for the show, so they dumbed that all down and did not try to introduce Ramsay that way. End result is the same, Ramsay burns winterfell and kidnaps Theon so he can torture him. By torturing him, Ramsay turns Theon into the new Reek. So in book 5, Theon is Reek and is pretty demented and damaged as a result of the torture.

Hmmm...I never caught that tbh. Darn.

Well that's just my guess. It seems in line with the books where Theon remembers escaping and Ramsay hunting him. The writers have all kinds of leeway in that story line since Theon wasn't even in books 3 or 4. I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with it.

I enjoyed the intro of the Blackfish though, with his toss of the bow back to Edmure and walking away before his shot hits the boat. If they arent giving us Vargo Hoat or Strong Belwas, at least we get a cool Blackfish.

why does Ramsay hate Theon so much?

He hates everyone. I mean he has a kennel full of dogs that are each named after a girl he tortured, raped, let escape, then hunted and killed. But I think he gets off on owning Theon because Theon is a prince. Power trip.

i hope they show that girl hunting thing on the show lol

i just dont understand Ramsay's place in the show, hes just like some bad dude, but hes like a bad dude loner, hes just going to toture and kill, hes a bastard, he has no real allegiances, hes just there, hes not fighting for a lannister or stark, kind of just hanging out being a prick and is just pissing around until someone comes and steps to him

Just a suggestion, but you may want to use the non-spoiler thread rather than this one. Some surprises/twists could get ruined for you in here.

I posted this in the other thread so I thought I should come in here a share...

Oh rreeallyyy? Nah I can't do it. Cuz then i'll start liking her. I just can't wait till Tyrion chokes the life out of her! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Two timing heffer.

Although I am concerned they are almost making it so that they don't have to by having her care so much about Sansa. She didn't give a crap about her. That's disturbing.

The whole Reek storyline is awesome.

will the Reek storyline make it to television

i assume no right?

Since Theon was about to get butt raped, then yes it will.

Not only will it make it to TV (already started to), but we'll see alot more of the whole Reek story line on the show than we did in the books. How different it might be remains to be seen, but HBO will not be afraid to show poor Theon being Reekified.

Well, that was gratifying to see, even if it did feel like the storytelling took a quantum leap forward.

Totally forgot about Mormont at Crastor's place.

Prolly the best episode of the season. Even though there are some distinct differences they still stay pretty loyal to the books main storyline. I love this show.

Tywin stomping on Cersei was nice, too.

The army scene with the dragons flying overhead gave me chills. This show is just getting better and better. This is the best show on tv right now.

so I read the synopsis of this season's book and all I can say is HOLYYYYYYY SHIT! So a shitload of people are going to die? I wonder where they will leave off this season? Also...does it appear that we're looking at 8 seasons of the tv show? Two seasons for the current book and one each for the rest?

I don't think it's even close. GoT has hit its stride at this point...it's like seeing a great 800 meter runner in action.

It will be hard to top that Dany scene, it was awesome! Glad they did justice to one of my favorite scenes from book 3.

Unfotunately, two of my absolute favorite moments in book 3 don't seem to be in the works, so I will be pleasantly surprised if the show manages to pull them off somehow.

The first is Strong Belwas fighting the lone taunter before Dany takes the next city. They may have Jorah do it I guess...or Selmy. Won't be the same, but could suffice if they do it right.

The other one is when Arya kills the tickler and stabs him over and over again yelling "Is there gold in the village? Is there silver in the village?" to get back at him for questioning and torturing all those people. I was NOT HAPPY when they killed off the tickler last season because I really wanted that scene on the show. Not sure it can have the same impact if it is anyone else that she kills, but we'll see if the show tries to do something similar even though the tickler is already dead.

So, Sansa going to the Eyrie got sniffed out beforehand? Is this storyline going to change? Her pretending to be Baelish's daughter doesn't really work if anyone knows she's there.

I think it is still on track. They whole marriage thing to Loras will start building and she will skip on going with Baelish, but then Tywin will catch wind of it and quash it with a fast marriage to Tyrion. Then once the whole Tyrion vs. Tywin thing goes down her drunk knight guy will get her out to spirit her to the Eyrie to join Littlefinger as his daughter. Isn't that about how it went in the book?

Yeah, something similar to this will happen I think. Part of the greatness of Littlefinger is his ability to react and adapt to chaos and changing situations in ways that benefit him or his agenda. In the books they didn't reveal that Littlefinger was the one behind Dontos until Sansa gets to the boat. I think on the show she will pass on going with Littlefinger so she can marry Loras, then will get slapped backed to reality with a quick marriage to Tyrion. Littlefinger will then set up the whole thing to frame Tyrion and use Dontos to get Sansa out. Non-readers will be shocked when they find out Littlefinger is behind the Dontos rescue. I have to think that Dontos will come into the story given that they made a point of showing the scene where Sansa saves Dontos from Joffrey. They showed that for a reason would be my guess.

Why would they introduce this whole storyline about Varys et al discovering Littlefinger's plan then? It's taken a lot of screen time for exactly zero benefit, if the story continues as you say. Not to mention that when Sansa is suddenly missing, no one will think to check if Littlefinger has her, since they know he wants to take her?

Yeah, Sansa's story is still on track. The only real change there is they offered her Loras(which she's going to be even more salt about not getting to marry than Willas LMAO).

Ser Dontos seems to have been written out, but that's no biggie.

Any time spent with Varys is time well spent IMO. His character and the actor are both great. Consider it filling time with actors that will be on the payroll for seasons to come while they chop lesser characters that they're unwilling to spend time and money on casting.

And look at this Sansa/Littlefinger/Varys arc from a non-readers POV. They still have no idea where this will end up going, so in that they are successful.

I find I hate Sansa just as much in the show as I do in the books; perhaps even more. Goddamn vapid, whiney, mopey, do nothing bitch. Watching Margaery effortlessly twirl the moronic Joffrey around her little finger actually just makes it worse.

I still hope she ends up dying horribly.

I agree with you that Sansa is annoying, but I have a feeling that in the end, she is going to be the one that becomes a great player of the game of thrones and takes littlefinger down.

Sansa is learning to become a player of the game, Arya is learning to become a deadly assassin, Bran is learning to see and warg everything, Jon is learning to lead people, and who knows what Rickon is learning with Osha. This group of Stark kids is going to be a real handful for their enemies to deal with at some point.

WOW. Dany never looked more hot to me than in that entire scene. Damn she was on fire :fire:

Holy hell yes.

Not only that but that scene was acted extremely well by her I thought. The fluent Valyrian language was spot on, and I really liked the unsullied pounding their spears (insert joke here) after Dany set them free.

I wanted that scene to last a little longer, but enjoyed it nonetheless. That is the part in the book where my jaw literally dropped when reading. Dany is a badass.

I'm kind of confused as to why they removed the revelation by Selmy that Jorah was originially sent to spy on her. I'm guessing because it's not necessarily pertinent to the condensed storyline of the show?

Oh, I don't think it has been removed, I just don't think they have gotten to it yet.

Read the books I see.

Sansa and her mom might as well be called herp and derp. I haven't seen one thing out of either of them that make me like their characters. Not in the books, and definitely not in the show.

If you think about it, the mom is the one that started the war and lost her husbands head by taking Tyrion. She's a dumb twunt if I ever saw one.

Catelyn may be my least favorite character in the books. She is mean and hateful to Jon Snow even though she claims to be all religious, she let Jaime go and captured Tyrion, two of the dumbest moves in the series, plus she is whiny and mopy all the time which I get given what's happened to her, but is tedious to read. Plus she's just boring. And she did cause a lot of the problems with her own stupid and rash actions. Then she wants to punish Brienne who did nothing but try her hardest to follow Catelyn's orders while risking her life in the process. Don't like Catelyn at all.

Sansa is not nearly as bad as Catelyn, Sansa is just young, spoiled, dumb and naive...at least for now.

Don't know what this even means. Of course I read the books. This is the spoiler thread so book talk is fair game in here.

Because the stuff I quoted leads me to believe you haven't read all 5. You are correct on most counts for sure, just one of them is wrong.

I am curious about Ricken. Is he left out because he is just too young, or because no useful story could be thought of with him?

He's going to be important at some point. Just too young at this point I think. Otherwise I doubt they would have wrote him into the show.

I have a feeling Osha will have get own chapter perspective in the next book. Rickon always being described as a wild child then inturn is on the run with a Wildling. I have a feeling Rickon will end up being a wild card somewhere down the road.

Neither is as bad as Robert. By far my least favorite character. Just horrible.

One of those is wrong? They all look right to me.

http://tvrecaps.ew.com/recap/game-of...s-watch-ended/

Terrific episode recap with a ton of details and discussion. Very well written.

Me too. Unless he really thinks Jon Snow is dead and done at end of ADWD (which I don't).

I don't know if he's dead or not, but I'm quite certain his story is not over.

Him dying would make sense, so that he can be reborn under the bleeding star (Ser Patrek).

That's exactly where I am.

I like Catelyn less than Cersei. She's an idiot and her incessant idiocy has created headache after headache for everyone she's close to. She's also the reason Sansa is how she is.

I've quasi-defendand Sansa all along and will continue to do so. She's just a dumb kid that doesn't know any better but she's learning. As opposed to Catelyn, who's just a spoiled, dried up old woman that's been instrumental in the death and destruction of her house through thinking she's far far smarter than she is.

I wish she'd have stayed dead. Ser Berric was a much more noble character.

I kind of like Cersei. She became more likable to me when she was doing unsavory things to protect Tommen rather than Joffrey, and looking back, if her most unlikable characteristic is that she treats her children the same, that's not that bad of a thing.

Also, much of her horribleness seems to stem from her marriage. Given that I feel that Robert is basically scum, I can manage to forgive her for that.

I don't disklike her THAT much. Cersei is just vile. The shittiest thing about Catelyn is the way she treated Jon. And while she makes bad decisions that really screw things up, you can mostly understand her motivations. Certainly getting Stannis and Renly to join forces against the Lannisters was the right move, and she at least tried to do that.

I assume the last image of the last scene of last episode this season will be of zombie Catelyn. Should be epic for the n00bs.

DAMMIT I WISH I HADN'T READ THE BOOKS. :cuss:

I've always found Catelyn to be the most sympathetic character in the books. She tries to do the right things, and she's always selfless/supportive of her family no matter the situation. Cersei on the other hand has zero redeeming qualities. At least in the books. On TV they've tried to humanize her with varying degrees of success. Sansa is to me far and away the least interesting character in the books. I get what Martin tried to do with her, the faerie tale princess forced to deal with harsh reality, but it grows tiresome after the initial novel.

Sansa POV chapters are basically endurance tests. I think I skipped the last couple and read online summaries instead. ****ing stupid bitch.

Cersei and Catelyn are the same. They're both fiercely protective of their families, and will treat any other person as a piece of garbage if it means advancing their family's interests.

Catelyn's family is just more likable than Cersei's, but Cersei is more interesting than Catelyn.

That was my impression, he did get stabbed multiple times. But I'm open to why you think he isn't dead. TBH, him and Arya are my favorite characters, so I would prefer it if he wasn't.

The book never says he died. That's pretty much the gist of why he may not have died.

Personally, I think he did die, but will be reborn under the bleeding star (Ser Patrek) among the salt (tears) and smoke (from his wound). Probably will warg into Ghost and back to himself (Melisandre's vision of Jon turning into a wolf and back to himself).

Or, maybe all of that was a red herring, who knows?

See MagicHef's reply. He may have "died," but so did Beric Dondarion, Catelyn, and others... I seriously don't think he's gone for good.

No POV character since Ned has died. At least not permanently. Even though we have been led to believe on numerous occasions that they were killed at the end of a POV chapter.

Cercei would sacrifice anyone for a personal goal, including either of her brothers and had he lived I think Joffrey as well. She acts like it's family with her, but it never has been.

But even that was done on the order of Robb.

Anytime she went off and did her own thing, she ****ed it up. She's essentially a housewife that thinks being 'high-born' means she knows shit about shit.

She doesn't. Clearly.

I should have said "children" rather than "family." But I believe it's true, I can't see her sacrificing Joffrey to help herself at all. Look at her response to Myrcella leaving. I truly believe it's all about her kids for her. One of her kids just happens to be completely horrible.

Even if that's true, it's the same point. "Family" in Westeros means something different. It means the Lannister name and legacy. It doesn't mean Cercei favoring her children because they're hers. There's nothing honorable about her, in any sense of the word. In the books at least. She's a truly irredeemable character, which is what ultimately separates her from Jamie (as a character, not in a physical sense).

I think Jamie's arc is the best in the books, going from who people think he is in book 1, to who he really is when we get his PoV chapters, to who he's becoming over the course of the series.

Pretty sure he doesn't tell her until Mereene. And then she makes Jorah go in the sewers to open it from the inside as punishment


Oh and also the show showed Myrcella crying and it was specifically stated that she never cried when she left KL. As it showed her ability to be strong. Bunch of idiots when it comes to those small but significant details.

I never said there's anything honorable about her, just that I kind of like her. She is just a mother doing anything to protect and advance her children.

Catelyn releases the most dangerous man in Westeros to protect her children, she slits the throat of a mentally disabled person to try to protect one child, and later she is fully prepared to execute someone she knows is innocent to protect her children. How is she different?

Is there anyway to find a website that streams GoT while it's on? I don't wanna wait till tomorrow lol.

Tubeplus usually has it up a couple of hours later.

Thanks.



ROFL Cersei got punked. Glorious!

The imp gets to marry a hot, younger girl.

Cersei gets to marry a gay guy...

The "who gets to marry whom" sub plot will come to a head very soon. And while they are all worried about that, here comes Dani, three dragons, and a legion of ubber loyal former slaves.

Shireen = Patchface, apparently. Seems like it will work plot-wise, but it's significantly less creepy.

Her singing that song over the closing credits was pretty creepy sounding though.

Joffery is about to get his throat plugged. Shireen is so cute though. Good casting job.

[QUOTE=Setsuna;9644359]Joffery is about to get his throat plugged./QUOTE]

I kind of hope they have Joffery on screen more before the wedding and choking scene, just for all the people that didn't read the books.

Outside of the tour and waving to the crowd scene he hasn't been in this season very much yet.

They have to be breaking this book into two seasons, right? The final episode is called "Mhysa" That has to be Dany at Yunkai, in my opinon, where she was named Mother.

Most like. It's a book packed with a lot of events. I do like how they haven't gone back to Theon and Ramsay. Just like in the books.

[QUOTE=PhillyChiefFan;9645493]They are breaking it into two seasons, so Joffrey will likely be around until the middle of next season. Episode 9 is called Rains of Castamere, so I think we all know that one will feature the Red Wedding as the big conclusion to this season.

I think they end next season with Tyrion and his dad, so Joffrey will probably get his in episode 4 or 5 so they can have the trial by battle and all that before episode 9.

[QUOTE=Hawk;9646152]The build up for that scene between Tywin and Tyrion has already started and I can't wait for that scene. The Red Wedding will shock a lot of people, and I know my wife is going to be pissed when Rob gets it.

I think splitting it will be good, because their are sooo many scenes that will be epic to watch and I don't want them to be cut short or minimized because of time constraints.

The first was Dany's big takeover, but scene was somewhat of a letdown. I'm sure because of the lack of the funding necessary to give that scene it's due. But the rest will be mostly just the actors pulling off some great scenes.

You're the first person i have heard who thought the Dany scene was a letdown. Non readers across the internet were flippin their lids for it. I thought it was great.

I shouldn't have said I was let down after I re-read that it sounded like I didn't like it. I just thought it was going to be more of a production when the unsullied were taking the city and freeing the slaves.

It was definitely an awesome scene. The scene immediately following where she frees them and the unsullied decide to stay with her was awesome.

I can't wait to see how the Red Wedding plays out, Joffery's death, and the battle scenes when the Wildlings try to take the wall. Trying to remember any other scenes I am looking forward to...

Crossbow!

I know what you mean, but what's interesting is that I think the book glossed over the details of that stuff as well.

Petyr and Lysa will be an awesome ending to the 4th season as well, with the moon door and the truth of Lord Arryn

The Mountain vs Red Viper

damn right

How does book 4 match up against book 3?

Book 3 is the best book 4 is the worst. but 5 is pretty good