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At least frazod has the bragging rights over his wife tonight.

wonder what the wager was for tonight’s game?

It's Shark Week. I didn't say a word. :eek:

The new Braves GM is a piece of shit.

14-3. Damn, that's a football score.

I saw the game. It was fun to watch. I really like the NL. Wish the Astros were still a NL team. Used to love playing the Cardinals. The games usually mattered.
I was at game 5 of the 05 NLCS, where "Mogilla the Gorilla" went yard on Brad Lidge. That was the fastest ball I've ever seen leave a ball park! Was the most silent I've ever heard Minute Maid Park too. LMAO Exit velocity must have been 120+. Anway, Im pulling for an Astros / Cardinals WS.

ROFLROFL

It was such a quick turnaround. Every fan of the Astros thinks they are going to a WS, right here, right now. Maybe the loudest its ever been there. Then, I agree, one of the hardest balls ever hit happens. By the time it clanks off that glass, you can hear the ball rolling around on the train tracks. It was unbelievable to hear the noise evaporate so fast.


Eveyone from a national prespective thought the series was over heading back to St. Louis. Did you fans think it was over too? Kudos to your team for getting their heads right and winning the series anyway.

**** Roy Oswalt. That car battery that jarred loose his scar tissue should have fully electrocuted him

No, we were VERY deflated to say the least, but we did not think it was over because the Stros were still up 3-2 and only had to win one out of two. Also had Roy O on the mound, so we knew we had a decent chance. Had we lost game 6 tough, I don't think any of us would have had any hope of winning a game 7 in St. Louis.

ROFL Tell us how you REALLY feel!

Great, now I have nightmares of Buck jerking off in the booth to Astro "rookies" that NEVER amounted to shit...

Mark Mulder's massive pussy streak came through for y'all.

Guy got a bad call against him at 2b, a bad defensive alignment where we were holding Ausmus on at 1b and a dribbler sneaked through and then he just ****ing folded.

You saw the difference between an ace and a faux #1 in that game. Oswalt was unflappable and Mulder just quit and started throwing cockshot fastballs. I was in the left field stands and you could see his shoulders slump and his body language just fall apart.

I absolutely hate that guy and it's almost exclusively because of that el-foldo. What a bitch.

:clap: ROFL Yea, it was pretty much like that.

I drove 1000 miles round trip to watch that bed shitting by Mulder.

He had an early tee time at Bellerive the next morning. He needed to get of there early.

I had to bail on that turd at the last minute thankfully

Hamas doesn’t know how to hold back. ROFL

I don’t blame Oswalt. He was nails. We may have had the best team of that era and as DJ points out, Mulder just ****ing wilts after giving up a homer. We can all see it. Mulder is the blame.

In 2013 we should have won that WS too but Matheny insisted on pitching to Ortiz. Got to trust my guys to get the out crap. :cuss:

Don't forget him repeatedly going to Randy Choate in 2014, who, literally, threw a damned game away, with the coup de grace being putting in an ice cold Wacha into a walk-off scenario who gave up a walk-off to Travis Ishikawa, who is probably the worst shitbag to ever end a playoff series with a walk-off.

Yep, I blame the manager for that debacle. Horrible move after so many horrible moves. ****ing arrogance cost us another WS title. :#

****The Official 2019 STL Cardinals Thread****
 

Hey now... those 14 Royals were 3-1 against your Cardinals that year and undefeated in the postseason rolling into the World Series.

Assuming a Cardinals WS win has they gotten past the Giants seems... arrogant?

Can’t wait for Matheny to replace Yost because he’s a “leader of men.” (Sigh)

Mike Matheny named new Royals manager because he answered the God question the way Dayton Moore wanted....I'm sure he's in for no porn also.

Well maybe this year the Stros and Cardinals meet in the WS. Man, I'd love that!

I still ****ing hate Randy Choade

Bible study in the locker room. Chess tables instead of ping pong or pool tables. Favorites based on who attends bible study. Burn your best relievers arms by overuse. Stick with vets underperforming instead of giving your young talent a chance. Trust “your guys” to perform even though everyone else in the world knows they are done.

You know, all the best managerial traits you want in a team that’s rebuilding and developing young talent.

I didn't see you mention tonight's affair?

or yesterday? :)

I told the wife that after they scored all those runs in one game they wouldn't do shit the next two.

Our pitching staff is terrible.

43 games in. 27% of all games. You have lost 11/14. 6-7 by 10+ runs. You have scored less than 3 runs in 8 of those 11 losses. You are still batting a .199 hitter leade off who continues to take horrible AB’s. Refuse to move him down in the lineup. You keep Bader on the bench because you need the offense? What offense?

This is turning into a Matheny “we have to trust our guys” team. We have better relievers in the minors but they are still not called up? Is that a Mo or trusting our guys issue?

They need to do something different. Anything. Don’t just keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result.

And Gomber is pitching great in AAA. Ponce is 3-1 with a 3.03 era yet no call up

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STLCards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#STLCards</a> (23-21) have received 6+ innings from starting pitchers 18 times in 44 games. A starter has only gone beyond 6 innings 6 times. 17/44 on quality starts as a rotation. Every member of rotation has allowed between 7-9 HRs. Miles Mikolas (3.83) only member with ERA under 4</p>&mdash; Ben Frederickson (@Ben_Fred) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ben_Fred/status/1129227914036305921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 17, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yup its Matheny level stupidity all the way around. The team is flat and plays without an edge. The only guy with an edge is sitting the bench now.

They wont do anything until they get way behind by Memorial Day weekend. The Rangers are about to smoke their asses.

Gregerson out, Leone optioned to Memphis...Martinez activated and Helsley called up.

https://www.foxsports.com/midwest/st...demoted-051719

The Gregerson postmortem - 7.36 ERA in 18 1/3 innings for $11M.

:clap: thats a start.
Still the same batting order with Carp leading off. DH this weekend so at least we get to keep Martinez on the bench or in the batters box. That should improve the defense.

mo has lost the right to ever buy FA relievers. He has no clue how to acquire bullpen help. Just stick to developing your own from failed starters looks like the best long term practice. Bullpens turn over every year.

The good news is that my nights have been freed up this week.

You can say that again.

The dude is hitting .167 for the season. 3 run home puts the game out of reach in the 2nd inning. Mikolas has been all over the plate, mainly in the middle of the plate. But no one up warming up until it’s 7-0. That was a BS “got to trust my guy” moment. He’s been wild all game. Get someone up and warm before it’s 7-0 FFS.

A good start would be not paying top dollar for setup guys coming off their worst year in a while or in the case of Gregerson his entire career.

No, that was a “my starting staff can’t go past 5 innings so I have to save my bullpen” moment.

I have these games on here this weekend because they are playing the Rangers. Was about to start watching until I saw that score. Even looked at tickets for Sunday’s game at work earlier and think I’ll pass with the team this cold.

Wasn’t watching but that seemed really early so not the worst to see if he could even things out or at least not have to burn the entire pen.

we have pitching help in the minors. You could see Mikolas didn’t have it today. If Gomer or Ponce is up here, you stick them in there before it gets out of hand.

Gomber is hurt. Regardless of what you have in AAA at some point you need some innings from your rotation.

Lmao this team sucks.

Egregious mismanagement blew the game today. These guys are clowns.

I'm sure you'll rape us when we visit STL.

If you guys don't sweep the Royals with Bailey & Keller on the mound...you got serious issues.



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Bad pitching doesn't give a **** whether it's home or away.

WTF was that? Since when does Hicks throw a 3 inning? 30+ pitches? You had Carlos ready to go? Yet you didn’t bring him in until the games tied with bases loaded? That was Matheny on steroids mismanagement.

We have lost 13/16. Maybe it’s time to try something else instead of just going the same thing and expecting different results.

We're pretty good at beating Homer Bailey

What the heck happened to this team?

Players
Main cause is starting pitching. If Wacha starts another game, thats a criminal offense and he should be booed off the field.

Shit relievers that over stayed way past when they should have been sent down or released.
Lead off hitter hitting .200 for 30% of the season


Manager
Too much Matheny in him. Got to stick with my guy. Trust my guy is going to get it done. I thought he was a stat guy when hired?

Some moves that blew up in his face is not his fault. Walking the backup catcher hitting under .200 to get the ground ball and out of the jam was the right move. Thats on Wacha for throwing a 93mph flat fastball right down the middle that any major leaguerd can put good wood on.

But..... when you have lost 14/18 or something like that, its time to change something up. Yet we still are rolling with the same players, lineup, pitchers. Nothing changes including the results. Thats the Matheny playbook.

Front Office
Mo has made bad signings. He has to be forcing them into the lineup. We have better pitching talent in the minors but they stay down in the minors.
We have a glut of possible nig time talent in the outfield and 3B thats going to be ready in 2 years or less. Yet we are locked into large contract with aging players.There was no need to give Carp an extension. He was signed for another year already. :#

:eek::eek:

ROFLROFL

Regardless of whether Carp rejuvenates and takes off on another tear this year, that was in my opinion one of the top bonehead Mo moves.

It screams not knowing the value of a player should you NOT extend right away. He wasn't going anywhere, his value was not going to INCREASE to other teams only decrease yet we paid him for an increase. Just flat out stupid!

Man, sometimes when you're right, you're right....

Everything wrong with this team comes down to it's starting pitching staff.

The dirty little secret about offenses is that ALL of them are inconsistent. The good ones are simply really really good when they're on. There are a lot of studies done on this and ultimately the conclusion is that we would all be shocked by how much mediocre baseball even the great teams play.

Just about every 'powerhouse' team in recent history plays .500 baseball for most of the season. Few of them are just constantly clipping off weeks where they're 1-2 games over .500 to get to a plus 40 on the season. Rather, most of them have a couple of white-hot stretches where they'll win 30 of 40 and over the remaining 120 games, they'll be just slightly above average.

And in the static you'll find that they aren't generally going out there in those hot stretches and winning a bunch of 1 run games. They tend to just go piss-pound teams over those streaks and play pretty ordinary baseball in the other games.

The problem right now is that the Cardinals have an offense and a bullpen that is good enough to go on a couple of those streaks and then play 'fine' baseball for the remainder of the year. But that goddamn starting staff continues to wreck them. And it's going to barbecue the bullpen as well. You cannot ask a team to go out there and dig out of a 3-4 run hole by the 5th inning every day. You can't ask the bullpen to throw up 4-5 zeroes every day.

This starting staff is completely unacceptable and major changes need to be made.

Mozeliak has been among the worst GMs in the sport over the last 5 years. It's truly remarkable how routinely awful he's been at pretty much everything.

Going back and looking at how trades have worked out over the past few years is rough. Even the guys traded away for Goldy are playing well.

Also speaking of Goldy, one very concerning thing is the big second half bounce isn’t a career trend even though it happened last year.

Weaver and Pham had plenty of chances to shine here. They had their moments of excellence. But, They were meh or failed during most of their time here. Now, at least currently, they are prospering. Ball players move to new teams and turn their play around. Happens all the time. So we have to decide, is this something we are doing wrong?

It seems at least to me that developing young players is not the weakest area that they need to improve on. We have a lot more deficient areas. Like Mo, a cheapskate owner, a too rabid fan base willing to tolerate missing the playoffs 3 years in a row.

How did Pham fail?

he didn’t seize his opportunities. They gave him the starting job on opening day in CF one year. He lost it for cause.

Fire Mo...

As soon as he is healthy and has fastball command.... he needs to be in the rotation in St. Louis. Why waste his innings in Memphis?
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Alex Reyes seemed to get stronger as he progressed. Retired last eight batters straight, including four of his six strikeouts plus four infield outs. In addition to his fastball that peaked at 99, he used his slider and curve. Of course, it is high-A.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Strong return for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stlcards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#stlcards</a> RHP Alex Reyes for <a href="https://twitter.com/GoPBCardinals?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GoPBCardinals</a> tonight. 70 pitches, 40 strikes, over 5 IP. One 1st-inning ER on 2 singles, 2 BBs and 6 Ks. Fanned the side in his final inning. Fastball was 97 mph, peaked at 99. He was pitching regularly in rehab in Jupiter. <a href="https://t.co/3WyQiqOJUC">pic.twitter.com/3WyQiqOJUC</a></p>&mdash; Brian Walton (@B_Walton) <a href="https://twitter.com/B_Walton/status/1131710989806821376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I guess Wacha and Wainwright just need some more starts, right? :shake:

He put up almost 8 WAR in about 700 ABs. That's a ridiculously awesome pace.

Dexter Fowler not only cost the team a first rounder and 80 million, he cost Tommy Pham and continues to hamstring Bader's development.

It's the worst move this team has made since the Mulder trade at the very least.

Oh and cheaply.

So are you on board with trading Reyes away for a box of chocolates for not seizing his opportunities thus far?

The Pham decision was a mistake both in talent evaluation and fiscally. He was making peanuts and probably would be very economical for the foreseeable future. Another stupid move.

At this point I’m just waiting for Mo to announce we have extended Wacha for 5 years and 65 million with a no trade and player option for a 6th year at 20 million.

Pham played excellent baseball when healthy

**** Pham, but hopefully it gets that turd GM fired. Oh, did I mention he's hitting .197 over a long span since that fluke start

When was that?

Each of the past 2 seasons, when he averaged 140 games played while contributing 10 wins above replacement?

The Cards dumping him was an all downside move. Stupid.

Finally, Carp moved down. Maybe this will kick start his slow starting ass.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here&#39;s how we&#39;re kicking off the weekend!<br><br>⚾️ <a href="https://t.co/g04dYIbfqZ">https://t.co/g04dYIbfqZ</a> <a href="https://t.co/682fgET3ZM">pic.twitter.com/682fgET3ZM</a></p>&mdash; St. Louis Cardinals (@Cardinals) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cardinals/status/1132003614438973447?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 24, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I get not knowing the value of a Matt Chapman or David Peralta, but posts like this make me wonder if you even watched Cardinal baseball the last two years.

Totally feels like a Cardinals move.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STLCards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#STLCards</a> are moving Michael Wacha to the bullpen, effective immediately.</p>&mdash; Jenifer Langosch (@LangoschMLB) <a href="https://twitter.com/LangoschMLB/status/1132040877885526016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 24, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Worst record in the NL this month. This team sucks.

We have burned out our better relievers with over use but this is being too cautious.....


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So do the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STLCards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#STLCards</a>. A completely healthy Jordan Hicks has logged 3 1/3 innings in the month of May. <a href="https://t.co/hPYf4ymDeq">https://t.co/hPYf4ymDeq</a></p>&mdash; Jenifer Langosch (@LangoschMLB) <a href="https://twitter.com/LangoschMLB/status/1132128853537763330?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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WTF do you consider a long span? Last seven games his line is .310/.394/.621 Last 15 games it is .271/.386/.492 Last 30 games it is .310/.412/.526

Oh did I mention his career line (1488 ABs) is .280/.378/.479

We got most of that for half a million a year. He got a deserved bump up to 5 mil. this year.