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Bewbies 01-08-2018 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 13345450)
Would be nice if changes were made on BOTH sides of the ball.

So far you're getting half of your wish.

Ragged Robin 01-08-2018 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13345649)
How ****ing useless is a defensive coordinator who has to have top end talent to run sufficiently?

This. The defense was tops back then IN SPITE of him. You can't play nickel or dime and defend the run without ELITE talent to make up for gaping scheme vulnerability. His unwillingness to adjust accordingly caught up to him.

Up 18 points and the Titans just run the ball out of base personnel every time and not once did his defense force a punt in the entire second half. We've seen his "bend-don't-break" strategy to its absolute limit this year and it resulted in a bottom 5 defense that's 31st at stopping anyone on 3rd down. Inexcusable.

Doesn't matter if the offense is top 5 in the league when all you need to do is run the ball and win the time of possession to beat Sutton's defense.

RunKC 01-08-2018 01:53 PM

The longer this mother****er stays on payroll, the more likely he’s staying.

At this point it looks like Andy might keep Sutton.

Meatloaf 01-08-2018 02:41 PM

Ok, here's the deal. Bob Sutton is a fine defensive coach, BUT it is time for a DC change in KC. Sutton's scheme(s) are tired, and OC's have figured out how to attack said schemes. Simply put, despite Sutton's capabilities, it's time for a change.

RealSNR 01-08-2018 02:46 PM

Is Reid at that stage yet where he promotes his offensive line coach to DC like he did in Philly that one year?

I mean, at least Andy Heck wouldn't be coaching the OL anymore...

RealSNR 01-08-2018 02:48 PM

Also, if Sutton is gone, I think we all know that Reid is just going to promote Gary Gibbs.

Andy seriously considered him for DC when he first took the job.

That would be extremely underwhelming.

FringeNC 01-08-2018 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin (Post 13345858)
This. The defense was tops back then IN SPITE of him. You can't play nickel or dime and defend the run without ELITE talent to make up for gaping scheme vulnerability. His unwillingness to adjust accordingly caught up to him.

Up 18 points and the Titans just run the ball out of base personnel every time and not once did his defense force a punt in the entire second half. We've seen his "bend-don't-break" strategy to its absolute limit this year and it resulted in a bottom 5 defense that's 31st at stopping anyone on 3rd down. Inexcusable.

Doesn't matter if the offense is top 5 in the league when all you need to do is run the ball and win the time of possession to beat Sutton's defense.

And to make it worse, how many failed 3rd down conversions in the first half were a result of terrible TN execution rather than good defense? The D was an absolute embarrassment, as it has been in every Reid-Era playoff game other than the Houston game.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-08-2018 02:55 PM

If this SOB isn't fired, then I will officially be on the 'fire Andy' bandwagon.

This isn't complicated.

DaneMcCloud 01-08-2018 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13346301)
Also, if Sutton is gone, I think we all know that Reid is just going to promote Gary Gibbs.

Andy seriously considered him for DC when he first took the job.

That would be extremely underwhelming.

Gibbs is 65, Sutton is 66.

Reid needs to go with a younger guy.

DaneMcCloud 01-08-2018 02:59 PM

Here's a Dark Horse for ya: Kevin Greene.

Excellent OLB coach under Dom Capers and now with the Jets under another former Reid associate in Todd Bowles.

raybec 4 01-08-2018 03:01 PM

Britt Reid will be the next DC

The Franchise 01-08-2018 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13346341)
Here's a Dark Horse for ya: Kevin Greene.

Excellent OLB coach under Dom Capers and now with the Jets under another former Reid associate in Todd Bowles.

I'd be super ****ing happy with that.

PAChiefsGuy 01-08-2018 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin (Post 13345858)
This. The defense was tops back then IN SPITE of him. You can't play nickel or dime and defend the run without ELITE talent to make up for gaping scheme vulnerability. His unwillingness to adjust accordingly caught up to him.

Up 18 points and the Titans just run the ball out of base personnel every time and not once did his defense force a punt in the entire second half. We've seen his "bend-don't-break" strategy to its absolute limit this year and it resulted in a bottom 5 defense that's 31st at stopping anyone on 3rd down. Inexcusable.

Doesn't matter if the offense is top 5 in the league when all you need to do is run the ball and win the time of possession to beat Sutton's defense.

Exactly.

In the 2nd half the Titans used the same strategy the Steelers use to beat us. They punch our defense in the mouth with smash mouth football. We have no answer for that it seems. D is too soft.

Sutton's bend but don't break defense sucks on third downs and at stopping the run which allows for long time consuming drives. It is so frustrating to watch. If Sutton does come back he needs to make serious changes to the scheme and we need to get more talent. Despite how much money we put into the defense there are so many weaknesses it's pathetic. Zombo starting is a joke the guy is a backup.

Also, J Houstons contract is ridiculous. J Houston to me is one of the those players who got paid and then stopped trying as hard. I can't think of any other reason for the huge drop in his production. What a ****ing waste of money his contract is. Tamba Hali eluded to this in his twitter rant. Seems like he knew what he was talking about after all.

Ming the Merciless 01-08-2018 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 13346351)
Exactly.

In the 2nd half the Titans used the same strategy the Steelers use to beat us. They punch our defense in the mouth with smash mouth football. We have no answer for that it seems.

Alex smith doesn't...but a real QB would take the team down the field at least once in the second half of a playoff game and not make excuses about D. A couple of 1st downs and one successful drive for points wins that game , even with the way the defense played. Period. Thats why smith is gone.

ChiefsCountry 01-08-2018 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 13346362)
Alex smith doesn't...but a real QB would take the team down the field at least once in the second half of a playoff game and not make excuses about D. A couple of 1st downs and one successful drive for points wins that game , even with the way the defense played. Period. Thats why smith is gone.

That's what Petro said this morning. You can keep a Bob Sutton type if you have the QB to combine with it.


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