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Swanman 08-29-2016 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 12392616)
The ending was meh. Loved the characters but would have enjoyed it more if it had a darker ending.

I totally thought since episode 4 or 5 that his friend in prison was setting him up and would testify against him to get out earlier. Everything was set up perfect to make that happen as his friend killed the only other witnesses to what he would say (Naz brought the drugs, Naz did the drugs, then just make up the part about Naz admitting he did it).

Was worth the time but is probably the same reaction I'll have when Game of Thrones ends. No way to live up to the rest of the story.

Freddy already had like 2 or 3 murders hung on him, he was never getting out no matter what. I was half expecting for Freddy to do something to him so he could keep his unicorn around but it was a breath of fresh air that he just let him go and left the book for him as well.

Also, I thought the actor that played the judge looked familiar. It was the killer from season 1 of True Detective. He also played a lawyer on Billions.

Fire Me Boy! 08-29-2016 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Swanman (Post 12392945)
Freddy already had like 2 or 3 murders hung on him, he was never getting out no matter what. I was half expecting for Freddy to do something to him so he could keep his unicorn around but it was a breath of fresh air that he just let him go and left the book for him as well.

Also, I thought the actor that played the judge looked familiar. It was the killer from season 1 of True Detective. He also played a lawyer on Billions.

+1

Baby Lee 08-29-2016 10:55 AM

I enjoyed the conclusion a great deal, a great great deal more than I expected to a week ago.

The eczema storyline was excellent, despite the concerns and squeamishness in situ.

It was a great way to demonstrate in a novel and affecting way the insecurities and stresses of having the fate of a client in your hands. When you are passionate and determined, your shortcomings are going to find a way out. There's a reason attorneys deal with alcoholism and depression and seek out illicit conduct in their off time, beyond big motors and outsized egos.

I may have related this before, but the very first trial I second-chaired, I didn't have a lot of input on. I was a month out of passing the bar and was there to observe mostly, and it was a loser of a case with one of the weaker attorneys at the firm [as will bear itself out shortly].

It was an MVA civil claim, and the parties had haggled at great length over aspects not to be introduced [in limine]. The attorney I was 2nd chairing sat through the plaintiff's opening statement, then promptly stood up and in the second sentence out of his mouth mentioned something barred in limine by the judge not an hour earlier.

Opposing counsel immediately moved for, and got a mistrial. More importantly, he had a heart attack right then and there. Emergency Services summoned and taken out on a gurney. :eek: Needless to say, that experience has stuck with me.

There are plenty of technical aspects to critique in the story, but overall I think the show did a great job of highlighting some of the lesser dramatized, but truly crucial aspects of the litigation process. The split-second gut decisions, the gravity of a glance, the tactics and insinuations used to drive doubt or certainty, the shortcuts and messiness, the overall drain on humanity. It can be depressing, it can be exhilarating. It almost always emotional, even if the professionals pretend it's not. That's the part they nailed.

BigRedChief 08-29-2016 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 12392923)
This is what I meant by "satisfying". I was expecting a lot of loose ends, so I was satisfied with how it wrapped up.

I think the darkness RINGLEADER was looking for is more of an implied future. They took a damaged kid and turned him into a full-on drug user, who also brought down his main attorney.

And the cat running across in the last shot really was good. We thought he was headed to go get the cat, and that would have been nice, too. But the reveal that he already had done it - and that it now had free reign of the house - was perfect.

The excema and the cat thing added some complexity to the character. Of course it was tha actor that gave it the complexity. I don't think he would be interested but I think his character would merit a season long arc on his own.

underEJ 08-29-2016 11:37 AM

There was so much to love about this ending. Agree with BabyLee, I didn't expect to even like it leading up to it. Instead of a conventional save, they laid bare the edges of justice, the consequences of a system that more often than not doesn't know if it is right. I loved the performance of the actor playing the prosecutor right after the detective walked out during her argument. I loved the moment Freddy calms him before the verdict. I loved the reaction shots of both legal teams as the judge understands he can't force the jury to go back again. That was a strong jury. I was on a jury where the judge kept making us go back over and over. I still believe two people changed their vote just to go home.

I loved the cat!

Bowser 08-29-2016 11:48 AM

I enjoyed the ending much more than I thought I would. I kept expecting Nas to get shanked on his long march out of the prison, with all of the guards that were in Freddy's pocket. Pretty brutal how they showed Nas pretty much crushed by the ordeal by his mom and community. The scene where his buddy from the beginning sees him and just walked away was strong, and it made you feel for Nas and what he was facing in his "new life". I smiled when Weiss was talking to Box and she told him they were going after Amanda's boyfriend.

The cat at the end was the perfect ending.

Baby Lee 08-29-2016 12:04 PM

I meant to ask, did the prosecutor's performance remind anyone of this?

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Skyy God 08-29-2016 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12393250)
It was an MVA civil claim, and the parties had haggled at great length over aspects not to be introduced [in limine]. The attorney I was 2nd chairing sat through the plaintiff's opening statement, then promptly stood up and in the second sentence out of his mouth mentioned something barred in limine by the judge not an hour earlier.

Opposing counsel immediately moved for, and got a mistrial. More importantly, he had a heart attack right then and there. Emergency Services summoned and taken out on a gurney. :eek: Needless to say, that experience has stuck with me.

Yeah, that'll draw a mistrial.

Baby Lee 08-29-2016 04:04 PM

Oh, and I forgot to add

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12347003)
]Most proud of though, was catching that the mysterious argumentative guy at the funeral was Paulo Constanzo from Royal Pains, in a momentary long shot. Confirmed by the end credits

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/...20140112004255

Score!!

Ming the Merciless 08-29-2016 04:21 PM

This was a really great series..

Highly recommend.. it, just finished it.

4 out of 5 boners

If you are on the fence, get the 1st couple and watch it.

Im sad its over

Otter 08-29-2016 07:39 PM

Great series. I'm glad it ended when it did because you could see the writing becoming redundant in portions of the later episodes. The only television I can remember that drew me in more than the first episode of 'The Night of' was 'The Sopranos' opener with TNO being the clear winner.

All the episodes ranged from good to outstanding but that first one with the deliberate pace, artsy camera work, and downright palpable tension was the best introduction to a series I've ever seen.

Bravo! :clap:

Since we received no resolution on the deer head I'm going to have to go with it being a subtle homage to 'Twin Peaks'.

Pants 08-30-2016 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 12393373)
I enjoyed the ending much more than I thought I would. I kept expecting Nas to get shanked on his long march out of the prison, with all of the guards that were in Freddy's pocket. Pretty brutal how they showed Nas pretty much crushed by the ordeal by his mom and community. The scene where his buddy from the beginning sees him and just walked away was strong, and it made you feel for Nas and what he was facing in his "new life". I smiled when Weiss was talking to Box and she told him they were going after Amanda's boyfriend.

The cat at the end was the perfect ending.

Wasn't his buddy the guy that snitched him out in court?

I loved everything about the show. I was thinking Naz would get convicted in the end to leave a shitty taste in our mouths. I was so happy that didn't happen.

Any ideas on why Chandra walked out never to be seen again?

Swanman 08-31-2016 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pants (Post 12396784)
Wasn't his buddy the guy that snitched him out in court?

I loved everything about the show. I was thinking Naz would get convicted in the end to leave a shitty taste in our mouths. I was so happy that didn't happen.

Any ideas on why Chandra walked out never to be seen again?

That guy was the one that snitched about the drug sales in court. Naz gave him the prison stinkeye and Stone noticed it.

I thought a hopelessly deadlocked jury in conjunction with Box implanting doubt into the prosecutor which led to dropped charges was a great and inventive conclusion to the trial.

I read Chandra's leaving as just a sign that her career was over so might as well get the **** out. She probably was also pretty angry at Naz/Stone for dropping the dime on her to try to get the mistrial (although she was at fault partially for the kiss).

mikeyis4dcats. 08-31-2016 07:46 AM

plus I think she came out of her spell, and was like WTF did I just do.

Swanman 08-31-2016 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 12397424)
plus I think she came out of her spell, and was like WTF did I just do.

I agree with that as well. The full weight and might of reality probably caught her right between the eyes.


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