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O.city 04-19-2016 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12187117)
Again, it depends on whether or not an ILBer, OLBer or CB that can provide a bigger blanket if available.

The Chiefs won 12 games last year with a subpar offensive line.

I don't think that adding a Pro Bowl Left Guard will propel them to win 17.

They also lost 5 straight with a subpar ol. That's not an easy justification either way.

I don't really see the need for an ilb as they just took 2 last year and are apparently pretty intrigued with march.

They can't keep getting their qb knocked around like he has been though, that's for sure

DaneMcCloud 04-19-2016 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12187118)
The more I read about this dl class, the less I like taking 1 early. I don't know that there's much dynamic play making ability in the ones we'd target.

Butler maybe

The Temple kid in the 5th or 6th seems like a DeVito clone.

One of those guys that takes a few years to get going, then he's a force in the run the game.

O.city 04-19-2016 10:57 PM

A better ol could have potentially allowed them to keep it away from NE and their offense more. Theoretically,.but in the wnd, injuries killed them.

I think they obviously need more DBs but priority number 1 for me is getting more explosive offensively. They've gotta be able to have more quick strike ability

DaneMcCloud 04-19-2016 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12187122)
They also lost 5 straight with a subpar ol. That's not an easy justification either way.

They didn't lose 5 straight because of the left guard.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12187122)
I don't really see the need for an ilb as they just took 2 last year and are apparently pretty intrigued with march.

I don't see it as a need but as DJLN said earlier this year, you don't pass on Darron Lee because the Chiefs drafted Alexander & Wilson in the 5th last year and signed Justin March as a UDFA.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12187122)
They can't keep getting their qb knocked around like he has been though, that's for sure

Schwartz will make a huge difference, as will Fisher in Year 4 along with Morse and LDT in Year 2.

If they had retained Smith or signed a Jeremy Lane type player, I'd be okay with a guard at #28.

But they didn't, so I'm not, unless there isn't shit left at #28 and if there's not, trade back (Blech).

staylor26 04-19-2016 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12187118)
The more I read about this dl class, the less I like taking 1 early. I don't know that there's much dynamic play making ability in the ones we'd target.

Butler maybe

I'm buying the reports about us being linked to Butler.

We met with him at the Senior Bowl, combine, and had a private workout/visit. There's something there.

RealSNR 04-19-2016 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12187122)
They also lost 5 straight with a subpar ol. That's not an easy justification either way.

I don't really see the need for an ilb as they just took 2 last year and are apparently pretty intrigued with march.

They can't keep getting their qb knocked around like he has been though, that's for sure

They've won more than they've lost with a subpar OL.

The payoff of drafting interior OL in the first round is minimal for what we're facing in the future with eventual departing veterans at other far more important positions.

Continue to stock interior OL with mid-late round draft picks, let them develop, and keep the ones who can be had cheaply. Cut the shitty ones and keep the process going until it's where we want it.

We're too late in this OL building strategy to deviate now and go full reerun like the Cowboys did

DaneMcCloud 04-19-2016 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12187130)
I'm buying the reports about us being linked to Butler.

We met with him at the Senior Bowl, combine, and had a private workout/visit. There's something there.

No way.

They're not blowing their first round pick on a DT when they're loaded at the position.

Spending a 1st rounder on a rotational player is a terrible waste of resources, especially with the hole at CB and ILB, not to mention #2 WR.

It's not like Dorsey to be locked into a player this early, anyway.

O.city 04-19-2016 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12187127)
They didn't lose 5 straight because of the left guard.



I don't see it as a need but as DJLN said earlier this year, you don't pass on Darron Lee because the Chiefs drafted Alexander & Wilson in the 5th last year and signed Justin March as a UDFA.



Schwartz will make a huge difference, as will Fisher in Year 4 along with Morse and LDT in Year 2.

If they had retained Smith or signed a Jeremy Lane type player, I'd be okay with a guard at #28.

But they didn't, so I'm not, unless there isn't shit left at #28 and if there's not, trade back (Blech).

They didn't lose 5 straight because of any one spot, just as winning 12 isnt one spot should it be justification for not upgrading a position.

I don't think Lee is an everydown ILb. I think he'll get eaten up inside against guards and I'm just not a huge fan of his.

They can't shoehorn themselves into taking the 5th best corner because smith left. They're in a great spot to take a good football player that falls or is there for whatever reason.

Personally I hope Jackson apple or alexander are therr a d I'm thinking 1 will be, but if not I don't like taking someone like burns there.

BlackOp 04-19-2016 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12187120)
12 wins, 1 playoff win, 1 playoff loss, 27-20, on the road.

And that was without their best offensive player (Maclin) and best defensive player (Houston) and their 4th string running back.

A Pro Bowl guard wouldn't have put them over the top.

My thought is Smith is a cerebral QB that is prone to risk avoidance....give him a proper line and it makes the offense a lot more functional...even more than a top notch WR.

Otter 04-19-2016 11:35 PM

Christian Hackenberg in the 3rd round.

DaneMcCloud 04-19-2016 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12187137)
My thought is Smith is a cerebral QB that is prone to risk avoidance....give him a proper line and it makes the offense a lot more functional...even more than a top notch WR.

I disagree.

His line was better in SF but his receivers were not. That didn't lead to more success.

If we're debating a 1st round WR vs. a LG, it's receiver all the way for me.

DaneMcCloud 04-19-2016 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter (Post 12187154)
Christian Hackenberg in the 3rd round.

Penn State fan says what?

:D

Otter 04-19-2016 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12187157)
Penn State fan says what?

:D

My wife and brothers met him freshman year and he seemed like a really good guy in bad situation that was willing to stick it out and make the best of what Penn State was going through at the time. He has the physical tools.</br></br> He's my Tyler Bray. :D

Dmello12 04-19-2016 11:52 PM

1a. Mackensie Alexander
1b. Robert Nkemdiche
2a. Sterling Shepard
2b. Karl Joseph

RealSNR 04-20-2016 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12187137)
My thought is Smith is a cerebral QB that is prone to risk avoidance....give him a proper line and it makes the offense a lot more functional...even more than a top notch WR.

Go **** a cactus


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