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SPchief 12-10-2014 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11183133)
I hope that isn't our thinking, or we're going to be left holding our dicks. You have to give value to get value. Counting on ripping off teams is not a strategy when you are in your short window to compete for a WS.

I agree, give value to get value. That's the point of the first part of that post. Ask for a high value piece for a high value piece.

duncan_idaho 12-10-2014 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 11183083)
Yeah, "controllable impact RF or starting pitcher" basically means "no way in hell we're trading HDH".

They are a key part of our team, we love them, and they are awesome relievers, but they are still relievers. Our asking price is sky-high. If someone will pay it, great, but no one will. And that might be fine.

I actually like the way Moore is playing his hand right now.

He's basically telling the contenders that need bullpen help: Give us something impactful, that helps US for 2014, and we'll give you something in return that helps YOU for 2014. If you don't like the asking price for these guys, good luck trying to win a championship with the warmed-over corpse of Francisco Rodriguez, the average stuff of Casey Janssen, or Jason Grilli closing games for you.

If this were poker, I'd say Moore has a mid-range pair (8s or 9s). He's got a good hand, but the flop is out, several other hands are still in the pot, and a couple of over cards/draws are on the board.

Strongside 12-10-2014 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11183162)
I actually like the way Moore is playing his hand right now.

He's basically telling the contenders that need bullpen help: Give us something impactful, that helps US for 2014, and we'll give you something in return that helps YOU for 2014. If you don't like the asking price for these guys, good luck trying to win a championship with the warmed-over corpse of Francisco Rodriguez, the average stuff of Casey Janssen, or Jason Grilli closing games for you.

If this were poker, I'd say Moore has a mid-range pair (8s or 9s). He's got a good hand, but the flop is out, several other hands are still in the pot, and a couple of over cards/draws are on the board.

Well let's hope he hits the straight on the river.

duncan_idaho 12-10-2014 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Strongside (Post 11183192)
Well let's hope he hits the straight on the river.

Don't need the nuts. Just need to get someone to fold when he shows them strength.

(tougher to do when everyone can see your 'cards,' but that's why GMs always posture)

Strongside 12-10-2014 03:44 PM

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 3m3 minutes ago
orioles still weighing michael morse, nori aoki, delmon young and other OFs

I think they'll find that Aoki doesn't weigh that much. Maybe 145.

Bufkin 12-10-2014 03:44 PM

Lester getting 155 million, while Scherzer will get well over 200 million. How ****ing moronic is this going to get? For a guy who plays once a week. To think that you can sign 4 guys like Ervin Santana at the same price it would cost you to get one Max Scherzer is despicable. The Marlins were reeruned for giving Stanton the equivalent of Mitt Romney's net-worth, but at least he'll play every day.

duncan_idaho 12-10-2014 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bufkin (Post 11183218)
Lester getting 155 million, while Scherzer will get well over 200 million. How ****ing moronic is this going to get? For a guy who plays once a week. To think that you can sign 4 guys like Ervin Santana at the same price it would cost you to get one Max Scherzer is despicable. The Marlins were reeruned for giving Stanton the equivalent of Mitt Romney's net-worth, but at least he'll play every day.

Scherzer probably isn't getting THAT MUCH cash, unless he's signing a 9- or 10-year deal.

6, $165-170 seems about right.

CaliforniaChief 12-10-2014 04:11 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>royals sorting thru OFs and SPs. volquez &amp; rasmus among new names. also looking at old friends ervin and nori plus others.</p>&mdash; Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/542802814846513152">December 10, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bufkin 12-10-2014 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11183226)
Scherzer probably isn't getting THAT MUCH cash, unless he's signing a 9- or 10-year deal.

6, $165-170 seems about right.

Report: Max Scherzer is seeking more than $200 million
https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-b...055241059.html

SPchief 12-10-2014 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bufkin (Post 11183252)
Report: Max Scherzer is seeking more than $200 million
https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-b...055241059.html

Ervin was seeking 5 years last year.

Saul Good 12-10-2014 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 11183269)
Ervin was seeking 5 years last year.

Max ain't Ervin, and Scott Boras ain't Bean Stringfellow.

Pitt Gorilla 12-10-2014 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bufkin (Post 11183252)
Report: Max Scherzer is seeking more than $200 million
https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-b...055241059.html

Perhaps he can send a few dollars to his Alma Mater for a decent baseball coach.

SPchief 12-10-2014 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11183273)
Max ain't Ervin.

Well no shit. But what he's seeking and what he's going to get are mutually exclusive.

alnorth 12-10-2014 04:28 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Sense from KC is the club has mostly been spinning its wheels here. Been quite active on trade front, but unable to swing anything yet.</p>&mdash; Andy McCullough (@McCulloughStar) <a href="https://twitter.com/McCulloughStar/status/542807819582332928">December 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Strongside 12-10-2014 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 11183248)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>royals sorting thru OFs and SPs. volquez &amp; rasmus among new names. also looking at old friends ervin and nori plus others.</p>&mdash; Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/542802814846513152">December 10, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Rasmus is interesting. He's only 28, but hasn't really gotten on base like you'd like to see and isn't good against LHP. I wouldn't mind him being a backup plan should we run out of options...We'd be hoping he'd have a breakout season along with Moose and Hosmer, though.


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