lol. That sounds about right.

Another 5 tech in the first. It's what Scott does best.

Yep. He's more poised in the pocket, which obviates the running advantage that RGIII possesses. Both are elite athletes.

Lol at zilla again
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You are describing a more athletic version of Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is not Big Ben. Big Ben is a freelancer. He is not that great at consistently making quick reads, but he is the best in the game at being able to freelance into getting a read open. RGIII's floor is that that's the type of game he plays, because he has the elite athleticism to do it. Not many people can do this. By the way, Aaron Rodgers is an elite pocket passer. That's why he's successful. His ability to extend plays is only an added bonus to that.

Aaron Rodgers can't make his living off of freelancing. Neither can Geno Smith. And it's exactly what's damaging Mark Sanchez's career. He has to be excellent at making quick reads in a complicated NFL offense.

I have never, ever said he can't do this. I've said repeatedly that I believe he can. But he's not even close to the surefire prospect RGIII was because unlike RGIII, he HAS to rely on a mental part of the game that he hasn't been asked to do nearly as much in WVU.

Sorry, I don't give hand jobs to every QB prospect that comes in the door.

I have never once said I wouldn't draft Geno Smith. I love the guy. Have been on his bandwagon for a year.

But this hand jobbing that he's a bulletproof prospect or that he's in RGIII or Luck's class is ridiculous. Right now he is a system QB with a terrific skill set and limited flaws in his game. But you can't say he can succeed in an NFL pro style offense until he actually plays in one.

When did RG3 play in an NFL offense?
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Read the thread, jackass.

ONE AND FIFTEENO FOR GENO!

DO IT

I have. RG3 did not play in an NFL offense in college
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Clearly you didn't. I've addressed this multiple times.

RGIII's downside is that he's an elite freelancer like Big Ben. His upside is that he becomes Big Ben but is much better at reading defenses.

Geno Smith is not built to be a freelancer. He is built to be a more athletic version of Aaron Rodgers. Pocket passer first, scrambler second.

I read you say this multiple times idiot.

Then you say that Geno slips some as a prospect because he doesn't play in a Pro set.

Neither did RG3. but your OPINION is that he is like Ben, who btw has probably thirty pounds on RG3 and can take the abuse of being beat on by sustaining those plays
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You are exaggerating "slipping." I've said that he's the best prospect in the class, but he's not the elite prospect RGIII or Luck were. Nobody should be upset about taking him #1, but there have been much better surefire #1's than him.

And RGIII would play a Big Ben style but in a different way. Big Ben is crafty at dodging defenders, but the whole idea is that he extends plays. RGIII is crafty at moving around so that no defender can catch up to him. But unlike a Vick or your typical scrambling QB, he has an uncanny ability to keep his head looking downfield and throw a perfect pass on the run. Geno Smith can do that too. But not in the elite way RGIII can. RGIII is a guy whose offense can revolve around moving him around in unique ways. Geno's offense will be built around him succeeding in the pocket, then using scrambling as a bailout.

So the importance of running an NFL offense was a lot less so with RGIII than for Geno.

Lol keep spinning. You look stupid here. And all this is your opinion
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No, it's not my opinion. It's the opinion of every draft expert that has not agreed to Geno Smith being a consensus #1 even against Barkley.

But continue to keep your head in the sand that he's a perfect prospect with no risk or flaws.

Another team that scares me for moving up is the 49ers. They are loaded with draft picks, I believe 12 picks, and I could see if they miss the SB, Smith being the scapegoat and their weakest link. They just resigned him last year, but it allows them to pull the trigger when there is a shot at "the next Peyton Manning coming out of college" when they flirted with PM earlier this year. 4th rd pick Kapernick looks good, but he is not Geno Smith.

Another thing to note is Geno Smith has great WR's, and he does make them look great as well, but you could have a team wanting to trade up to get a top WR like Atlanta did with Julio Jones. That could also kind of set the pirice for other teams who want to move up.

what the **** are you talking about? RG3 wasn't a consensus FIRST ROUNDER at this point last year. You are talking out your ass
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RGIII was a good not elite player in 2010. He moved up the draft board once he started to produce and prove he wasn't a fluke.

Geno Smith had an outstanding season last season. We're not learning a whole lot more about him this year that we didn't know last year.

Again, I believe Geno will be the #1 rated prospect. I believe he will be a #1 pick, and he should be. But he isn't the prospect RGIII was.

Awesome. Looks like we're not going to have to trade anything to get Geno Smith after all.

Eyes on the prize, boys

At the same point in their respective seasons Smith is a BETTER prospect than RG3 was.

What part of "he wasn't even a consensus first rounder at this point last year" did you not understand?
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RGIII's arm was above average. If it weren't for Andrew Luck, I think he would have had one of the best arms of any QB in the draft since Aaron Rodgers. He's that good.

Geno Smith's arm is better than RGIII's.

I can appreciate somebody who prefers RGIII to Geno Smith. That's a fair assessment. I disagree with it, but it's fair.

We may be bad enough to get this guy.

Might be the best thing to ever happen to this franchise
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Thank you. I would agree with you here.

As a pocket QB, I like Geno Smith better than RGIII. I love Geno's upside. But any time you have a guy you project to be a pocket NFL QB, you take on some risk if he has limited experience running a pro style offense. A risk worth taking, but that separates him from a prospect like RGIII who I believe can win games purely on his legs (if he has to).

Yep. I'm in.

RG3 would get killed if they have to rely on him to win games with his legs
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I am not talking about making him a running QB like Vick.
I'm not even talking about making him a stand in the pocket and get beat up QB like Big Ben.

I am talking about a guy who has an elite ability to make plays on the move. You can absolutely revolve an offense for him where he's rolling out and moving around the pocket. Like I said, that's his downside. His upside is that he becomes a good enough pocket QB that you don't need to do that. I think he's good enough to be a good pocket QB. But you have a bailout if he's average at that. That's why he was a surefire prospect.

Let see him do it against, Texas, OU, and K-State. Was in the Big Least last year and played only the worst D in the Big 12 -4 +2 so far.

Again if he has to run around trying to extend plays he is going to get killed. He doesn't have the build to withstand abuse imo.
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Perhaps you should read the thread.

Saccofshit has described the offense that Smith played well in in his freshman year, and it was closer to resembling a pro style than anything that RGIII played in at Baylor.

Now stop spouting shit like you know a ****ing thing about anything.

geno Smith is bigger and stronger than RGIII, you ****ing idiot.

Are you serious?

That post was ABOUT RG3.

**** you maybe you should ****ing read
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Yep, my bad.

I'm the ****ing idiot.

Dumbass.

Ok lol. Thanks.
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What does that matter? Just because you've played in it, doesn't mean you can excel at it. What's funny about this thread is how much shit I'm taking for saying the guy isn't a perfect prospect. I'm not alone. He's NOT a consensus #1 anywhere, and that's up against Barkley who is not an elite QB prospect.

I like the guy. I think he'll do well and I'd be fine if the Chiefs ended up #1 and took him. But this is just another example of fans being such big fans or such big critics of a player that they exaggerate how good or bad the guy is.

Read you ****ing dumbass.

I said "played WELL in".

This is just like wishing for Andrew Luck last year...not happening.

Have you SEEN this team?

SNR...I've seen the team & I know how the story goes too.

I'm still kind of youngish in my fandom. I've only been a fan for a little more than 20 years.

I still have hope that this team has FINALLY reached the end of the long list of excuses not to draft a QB. We're going to pick in the top 5 this year, Cassel has sucked with a variety of coaches and teammates, it's been four years, etc.

We've obtained the ****ing closure to call the Cassel case closed to Pioli's face. There are no more excuses. They're all gone. Pioli has nothing left.

I WILL ****ing quit this team if we don't draft a QB this year. Thankfully, though, I think this is it. This is finally it.

I've following them since 1966. I don't know if I can quit them but I'm getting very tired.

It's a fair point. I'd say he played proficiently. It shows he can operate in that offense but not the type of performance that made you believe this kid had top 5 pick potential.

Again, I like the guy. I'm not calling this a red flag. You're right, he's more experienced in this type of offense than I gave credit for. But right now, his successes are largely out of a very non-pro offense. Like I said, if he did well in the pro style offense and he had a tremendous production season in 2011, then why is he not in heavy talks right now about being a #1 pick? Even among very good draft guys like Walter Football? Clearly, I'm not the only one saying this.

He was a freshman in that offense.

Should we expect a freshman to come in and light the world on fire?

Again, when did I say it was a red flag? I think he can do it, but right now, it's something that's holding back his draft stock because we have to take the leap of faith that it won't be an issue.

One step closer to our goal, boys.

Damn straight.

COME ON RIDE THE TANK, AND RIDE IT! (WHOO-HOO)

COME ON RIDE THE TANK, AND RIDE IT! (WHOO-HOO)

LMAO

This thread needs to be stickied, I think.

It would help keep the peace around here.

Eyes on the prize, boys. Nobody gives a shit about what Crennel or Pioli or Matt said. They're irrelevant garbage wet farts. Once Geno comes aboard they'll either be swept up in the greatness or fired.

Their actions do not concern us. They don't matter.

I just can't believe how much Cassel has brought this franchise down. We deserve a franchise QB.

Dude, Geno Smith is coming to this ****ing team. I'm calling it.

THE DEAL IS DONE.

I'm still not on the roll call. :(

This. Goddammit, I'm enthused! ENTHUSED I SAY!

I agree. And please add me to the roll call.

I want in.

In

A lot of you guys who want in now were "I don't care, I just want a QB"

Look, we need a QB. Period. I agree. That's been said a million times before though.

I'll add you all in later tonight as the Smith wagon picks up more and more steam following this loss. But understand this isn't just a "Smith, Barkley, Wilson, just anybody but Cassel" thread. This thread is about Geno Smith and his huge chocolatey 12-foot penis. No one else.

WE NEED THAT PENIS!!!!!

I want Geno Smith to be our draft pick. I would settle for somebody else if that's not possible, but if we have the #1 overall pick, I want it to be Geno.

If we keep Cassel as starter we will have the # 1 overall pick, so the only way we couldn't get Geno is if Pioli trades down which I could actually see him doing that. If that is the scenario this place would go crazy.

the way Pioli has forced Matt Cassel on to start with no exceptions, what makes you think he's gonna draft Geno at #1? He's going LT. It won't matter if Cassel finishes the season with 5 ints and 100 interceptions, he's our starter for life.

Is that Nick Wright?

That's what worries me, Pioli doesn't do what makes sense, just get rid of Piolis ass too and while we're at might as well get rid of Romeo too, he's almost 70 anyway.

If we are in position to draft Geno and we go in another direction....that might be the end-game for me.

This

I'm in.

What would you say if I could get you a sweet OT at #1?

This is definitely the guy I want. Do whatever it takes. Put it this way, I'd trade Berry, Jackson, Baldwin and Poe for a franchise QB. That's our last 4 first round picks.

I remember watching a WVU game when Geno was a sophomore and they were running a primarily under center style of offense. Smith was terrific. His numbers weren't gaudy as they are now because of the offensive system that Holgorsen runs, but he was incredibly poised, showed excellent pocket presences, etc. The same stuff you see out of him right now. Except now, he's airing it out and you really get to see what he can do in a pass happy vertical spread.

And, in case you haven't noticed, he's kicking the shit out of everyone. Much like he did last year. And the year before that. Except he's bigger, stronger and more confident. The guy has actually gotten better every single year and in his senior year, he's really taken responsibility and leadership of the team and is destroying everything.

The guy is smart, is a film room junkie and has some of the best tools of a QB that I've ever seen at this level. I loved the guy as a sophomore and he's only gotten better every year. And he's not just dumping it off on short crossing routes a la Oklahoma. He's bombing it downfield, hitting his receivers right in stride even though they are perfectly covered. The guy is the absolute shit.

The "pundits" have been sucking off So. Cal QB's forever. But I'm telling you right now, Smith is head and shoulders above any other potential prospect in this coming draft.

I think he's a combination of Griffin and Luck from last year.

It's a perfect storm for the Chiefs right now to end up with this guy. Sell the draft. Sell two drafts. Sell three drafts. I don't give a rats ass. This is the guy.

Beano for Geno!!!!!!!

I think he goes by the name Tri-pod.

The true fan nut would bust uncontrollably. :LOL:

Good article on Geno. :)

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/29/sp...pagewanted=all

Im still waiting to be added :huh:

Sorry. These things are difficult when you're not getting paid, you understand.

These.

Finally, we agree.

I give in. Sign me up.
How exciting would it be have a rookie projected to be a franchise QB?

If you want this guy, you better keep on losing. Jags fans have their eyes on him too.

Color me in.

Jags, Raiders, Saints and Browns fans can suck me.

Geno Smith is all ours.